Emphasis on drafting speed and skill paying off for New York Rangers

[ecemleafs]

The one thing that pisses me off about the McIlrath pick was that we could've traded down to get him, no reason to draft him 10th overall. Other than that, there's nothing to ***** about. He'd most likely be in the NHL right now if he didn't blow out his knee a few years ago.

mcilrath would have gone within the next 5 picks.

 

[Raspewtin]

mcilrath would have gone within the next 5 picks.

Not sure about that. If a team wanted a big crease clearer and lost out on McIlrath, they'd probably have taken Jarred Tinordi instead. He fell to 22nd.

 

[BrianLeetch2]

Oh, and I agree. At this point I almost hope that McIlrath beats Tarasenko through the ice to the center of the earth and we never see or hear of him again.

Maybe we should just re-sign Lisin.

Just read this and cant stop laughing, great post.

So many of these posters must have been post lockout ranger fans. Because if they knew this team pre lockout, They wouldnt be bashing the scouting staff. I understand they dont have an offensive dynamo, but you usually dont get them with late 1st rounders.

 

[Trxjw]

The one thing that pisses me off about the McIlrath pick was that we could've traded down to get him, no reason to draft him 10th overall. Other than that, there's nothing to ***** about. He'd most likely be in the NHL right now if he didn't blow out his knee a few years ago.

There were several quotes at the draft that said the Rangers considered moving down, but there were teams behind them that were ready to take McIlrath if he was available.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

We HAD bottom 6 players and Sather let them go. Horak, Korpikoski, even Dubinsky and AA but those two were moved for good reasons. Tom Pyatt, Dale Weise. these are bottom 6 guys who were on cheap contracts. i'll take Korkiposki and Weise over Pyatt and Pouliot

Not really and apples to apples comparison.

Dubinksy and AA are players who simply could not produce consistently enough to be top six players.

Korpikoski is not really the kind of player I'm referring to.

Pyatt is a borderline NHLer and not the kind of player I'm talking about.

Weise, I guess, is the closet of what I'm talking about.

 

[offdacrossbar]

our draft results in the last say 8 years have been acceptable. i still say its our lack of scouting and drafting offensive difference makers- be it forwards or dmen that continues to be a problem, rather than the overall results. if taken in total, our overall drafting results have been decent.

some solid hits like ck, hags, step, and staal. all "safe" players who play important roles.

some swings and misses like del zaster, bobby sangs, lafleur, cliche, werek, thomas and too many others to list.

and many incompletes like mcilrath, miller, and skjei. all 1st round picks that have the same flavor. non impact "safe" players which will play but will probably not address our lack of goal scoring.

theres no question this organization hasnt drafted an impact offensive player in forever and i cannot discount our draft position either. we havent had a top pick or even a top 5 pick. when it comes to goals scorers, we either import them via free agency or by trade. cherapanov may have addressed that but we will never know

developing inexpensive, cap friendly impact players is essential to compete in todays nhl. it not only adresses scoring but allows you to have talent and value throughout the entire lineup. look at the best teams in the league, most have young, inexpensive, home grown scorers. we have..... um... rick nash, cally and beever.

for an organization so starved for goal scoring, it seems imossible that we continue to draft "safe" and then wonder why we cant score goals. for us to not have drafted and developed one single impact goal scorer is directly related to where we find ourselves today.

starving for scoring.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Just read this and cant stop laughing, great post.

So many of these posters must have been post lockout ranger fans. Because if they knew this team pre lockout, They wouldnt be bashing the scouting staff. I understand they dont have an offensive dynamo, but you usually dont get them with late 1st rounders.

People just have a habit of looking at things in a vacuum. Theres not a team in the league that has addressed every single critical roster component through the draft. Some have gotten high-end scorers and **** the bed on defense -- theres all types of permutations. The Rangers have been very successful on defense, and very successful developing tweener-type NHL forwards for the middle of the lineup. They lack top-end homegrown offensive talent, and 3rd/4th line grinder types.

From a sheer numbers game, the post-lockout regime has been pretty successful at churning out NHL players. The problem, lately, is its becoming a bit redundant. Top-end scoring will always be tough to find -- they need to get lucky there, and they havent. But as others have noted, the real travesty is the inability to develop the type of players that are needed at the bottom of the lineup. This regime always seems to be drafting on upside -- sometimes you gotta take a guy for what he is, especially later in drafts. If a guys highest upside is 3rd/4th line grinder but he projects to do it well, thats important too.

 

[offdacrossbar]

Thats my only problem. I think 10 was too early

i think most of us who questioned that pick the moment it happened feel the same way.

its not just who you pick but who you pick when you pick them.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Not sure about that. If a team wanted a big crease clearer and lost out on McIlrath, they'd probably have taken Jarred Tinordi instead. He fell to 22nd.

That's not really how it works. It comes down to where teams have players on their draft boards.

 

[Raspewtin]

our draft results in the last say 8 years have been acceptable. i still say its our lack of scouting and drafting offensive difference makers- be it forwards or dmen that continues to be a problem, rather than the overall results. if taken in total, our overall drafting results have been decent.

some solid hits like ck, hags, step, and staal. all "safe" players who play important roles.

some swings and misses like del zaster, bobby sangs, lafleur, cliche, werek, thomas and too many others to list.

and many incompletes like mcilrath, miller, and skjei. all 1st round picks that have the same flavor. non impact "safe" players which will play but will probably not address our lack of goal scoring.

theres no question this organization hasnt drafted an impact offensive player in forever and i cannot discount our draft position either. we havent had a top pick or even a top 5 pick. when it comes to goals scorers, we either import them via free agency or by trade. cherapanov may have addressed that but we will never know

developing inexpensive, cap friendly impact players is essential to compete in todays nhl. it not only adresses scoring but allows you to have talent and value throughout the entire lineup. look at the best teams in the league, most have young, inexpensive, home grown scorers. we have..... um... rick nash, cally and beever.

for an organization so starved for goal scoring, it seems imossible that we continue to draft "safe" and then wonder why we cant score goals. for us to not have drafted and developed one single impact goal scorer is directly related to where we find ourselves today.

starving for scoring.

Neither Thomas nor Del Zotto are misses. Thomas isn't yet, at least.

I truly think our drafting turns around from this point in terms of offense. There were 3 swing-for-the-fences picks that we made this past summer, that are seemingly uncharacteristic of the organization. For the most part, swing-for-the-fences are all you can do when you have no 1st or draft low. Talented forwards with no red flags barely fall to the 3rd round, 2nd is debatable.

 

[Raspewtin]

That's not really how it works. It comes down to where teams have players on their draft boards.

I dunno I figured teams that need a guy like McI would draft by need rather BPA, and would have Tinordi as a backup. Dumb assumption I guess but it makes sense.

 

[ecemleafs]

our draft results in the last say 8 years have been acceptable. i still say its our lack of scouting and drafting offensive difference makers- be it forwards or dmen that continues to be a problem, rather than the overall results. if taken in total, our overall drafting results have been decent.

some solid hits like ck, hags, step, and staal. all "safe" players who play important roles.

some swings and misses like del zaster, bobby sangs, lafleur, cliche, werek, thomas and too many others to list.

and many incompletes like mcilrath, miller, and skjei. all 1st round picks that have the same flavor. non impact "safe" players which will play but will probably not address our lack of goal scoring.

theres no question this organization hasnt drafted an impact offensive player in forever and i cannot discount our draft position either. we havent had a top pick or even a top 5 pick. when it comes to goals scorers, we either import them via free agency or by trade. cherapanov may have addressed that but we will never know

developing inexpensive, cap friendly impact players is essential to compete in todays nhl. it not only adresses scoring but allows you to have talent and value throughout the entire lineup. look at the best teams in the league, most have young, inexpensive, home grown scorers. we have..... um... rick nash, cally and beever.

for an organization so starved for goal scoring, it seems imossible that we continue to draft "safe" and then wonder why we cant score goals. for us to not have drafted and developed one single impact goal scorer is directly related to where we find ourselves today.

starving for scoring.

CK and Step were safe picks? Both were drafted out of US HS. Del Zotto is a miss? ok then...

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Neither Thomas nor Del Zotto are misses. Thomas isn't yet, at least.

I truly think our drafting turns around from this point in terms of offense. There were 3 swing-for-the-fences picks that we made this past summer, that are seemingly uncharacteristic of the organization. For the most part, swing-for-the-fences are all you can do when you have no 1st or draft low. Talented forwards with no red flags barely fall to the 3rd round, 2nd is debatable.

Seems to me that building up on lower line depth (that was decimated in the Nash trade/Prust leaving via FA), would've been the more pertinent strategy with later draft picks, not this swinging for the fences stuff.

 

[NYR Viper]

The one thing that pisses me off about the McIlrath pick was that we could've traded down to get him, no reason to draft him 10th overall. Other than that, there's nothing to ***** about. He'd most likely be in the NHL right now if he didn't blow out his knee a few years ago.

Evidence he was going to be available? Dallas at the very next pick apparently absolutely loved him.

 

[offdacrossbar]

CK and Step were safe picks? Both were drafted out of US HS. Del Zotto is a miss? ok then...

let me clarify, kreider has become a safe pick. hell play somewhere based upon his skating and size alone. at the time he was drafted, he was raw and a project. his upside was impact player and his downside was 3rd line size and speed guy lacking scoring touch. hes looking like the first choice recently but prior to the last month or so, he more resembled the latter choice.

step to me was always a safe pick.

del zoto is a miss if you are basing it on

his numbers this year so far and most of last year.
the recent comments by av relative to his standing.
his overall play recently.
his recent healthy scratches
his being mentioned in numerous trade proposals and league wide reports that hes "available".
his seemingly stalled development.

that seems rather miss like to me

 

[Raspewtin]

Seems to me that building up on lower line depth (that was decimated in the Nash trade/Prust leaving via FA), would've been the more pertinent strategy with later draft picks, not this swinging for the fences stuff.

Both are important. Both are needs, with one (elite talent) slightly more important than the other. There should be a good balance, but yet again, the fact that we can't develop 4th liners through countless drafts is a ****ing joke.

 

[GAGLine]

our draft results in the last say 8 years have been acceptable. i still say its our lack of scouting and drafting offensive difference makers- be it forwards or dmen that continues to be a problem, rather than the overall results. if taken in total, our overall drafting results have been decent.

some solid hits like ck, hags, step, and staal. all "safe" players who play important roles.

some swings and misses like del zaster, bobby sangs, lafleur, cliche, werek, thomas and too many others to list.

and many incompletes like mcilrath, miller, and skjei. all 1st round picks that have the same flavor. non impact "safe" players which will play but will probably not address our lack of goal scoring.

theres no question this organization hasnt drafted an impact offensive player in forever and i cannot discount our draft position either. we havent had a top pick or even a top 5 pick. when it comes to goals scorers, we either import them via free agency or by trade. cherapanov may have addressed that but we will never know

developing inexpensive, cap friendly impact players is essential to compete in todays nhl. it not only adresses scoring but allows you to have talent and value throughout the entire lineup. look at the best teams in the league, most have young, inexpensive, home grown scorers. we have..... um... rick nash, cally and beever.

for an organization so starved for goal scoring, it seems imossible that we continue to draft "safe" and then wonder why we cant score goals. for us to not have drafted and developed one single impact goal scorer is directly related to where we find ourselves today.

starving for scoring.

Kreider isn't an impact player? Stepan isn't? Hagelin isn't? I think you have a very narrow definition of what is an impact player. I think you mean superstar. Every team has misses in the draft. We've done better than most. But hey, if we had drafted Tarasenko, I'm sure you'd have a very different outlook. Your inability to get past that is really clouding your judgement.

 

[Raspewtin]

let me clarify, kreider has become a safe pick. hell play somewhere based upon his skating and size alone. at the time he was drafted, he was raw and a project. his upside was impact player and his downside was 3rd line size and speed guy lacking scoring touch. hes looking like the first choice recently but prior to the last month or so, he more resembled the latter choice.

step to me was always a safe pick.

del zoto is a miss if you are basing it on

his numbers this year so far and most of last year.
the recent comments by av relative to his standing.
his overall play recently.
his recent healthy scratches
his being mentioned in numerous trade proposals and league wide reports that hes "available".
his seemingly stalled development.

that seems rather miss like to me

Did Del Zotto's 3 seasons of 35+ pace just not happen? You can't just ignore when he's playing great because he hasn't had a great season so far.

 

[Tawnos]

Kreider isn't an impact player? Stepan isn't? Hagelin isn't? I think you have a very narrow definition of what is an impact player. I think you mean superstar. Every team has misses in the draft. We've done better than most. But hey, if we had drafted Tarasenko, I'm sure you'd have a very different outlook. Your inability to get past that is really clouding your judgement.

He would have a different outlook. He'd be pissed that we never draft an impact physical defenseman.

 

[NYR Viper]

let me clarify, kreider has become a safe pick. hell play somewhere based upon his skating and size alone. at the time he was drafted, he was raw and a project. his upside was impact player and his downside was 3rd line size and speed guy lacking scoring touch. hes looking like the first choice recently but prior to the last month or so, he more resembled the latter choice.

step to me was always a safe pick.

del zoto is a miss if you are basing it on

his numbers this year so far and most of last year.
the recent comments by av relative to his standing.
his overall play recently.
his recent healthy scratches
his being mentioned in numerous trade proposals and league wide reports that hes "available".
his seemingly stalled development.

that seems rather miss like to me

Neither Kreider nor Stepan were 'safe' picks. That's complete crap. Why were they safe picks? Because Kreider had the size and strength at 18 to keep up? How many of those players don't make it? A ton.

Stepan was considered a project when he was drafted in the 2nd round. Not some safe 3rd liner.

Del Zotto, even if he didn't play another NHL game, would be considered a win.

 

[RangerBoy]

The one thing that pisses me off about the McIlrath pick was that we could've traded down to get him, no reason to draft him 10th overall. Other than that, there's nothing to ***** about. He'd most likely be in the NHL right now if he didn't blow out his knee a few years ago.

Wrong

It could easily be a feel-good night for minor hockey in Winnipeg, as three hometown boys could go in the first round. Defenceman Dylan McIlrath, of the Moose Jaw Warriors, is the second-fastest rising prospect after Johansen and is considered the toughest, meanest player available. He could go between picks 10-15. Forward Quinton Howden, also of Moose Jaw, should be drafted by the 25h pick. The third player -- goaltender Calvin Pickard of the Seattle Thunderbirds -- may have to wait until Saturday's second-round, but could sneak into the late stages of the first, particularly to a team that has multiple first-rounders (i.e. Anaheim, Chicago).

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/sports...617976/?service=mobile&page=3&tabInside_tab=0

 

[offdacrossbar]

He would have a different outlook. He'd be pissed that we never draft an impact physical defenseman.

well we havent yet ?

 

[OverTheCap]

Of course our drafting has improved since the 2005 lockout, but unfortunately our competition is not the Rangers of the Dark Ages, we should be comparing ourselves to other teams. While the Rangers have done a great job of drafting shutdown defensemen and 2nd-3rd line tweeners, with the occasional player who has first line potential, they have one glaring weakness: OFFENSE. The Rangers haven't had a top 10 offense since 2000-01. I think there will always be complaints about drafting so long as scoring remains an issue. Hopefully Kreider will turn into that elusive scoring forward that can score 30 goals on a consistent basis but it remains to be seen.

 

[Raspewtin]

Wrong



http://m.theglobeandmail.com/sports...617976/?service=mobile&page=3&tabInside_tab=0

Okay, I didn't know that.

 

[Tawnos]

well we havent yet ?

Haha I see what you're getting at. But Tarasenko isn't an impact offensive player yet either. Right now, he's more like a 20 goal player. He could be more, but that's not definite.

So we will see.