Player Discussion Emil Heineman (Part 2) - Get well soon Edition

[the valiant effort]

You'd be surprised how out of it some drivers are.

Texting. And. Driving.

Bring back the death penalty

 

[CheldishGamibno]

Texting. And. Driving.

Bring back the death penalty

Oh

 

[OldCraig71]

I would play the moose on the first line when he comes back. He can score, he can skate and he can hit. That line needs a different element and he brings it.

 

[CHwest]

I would play the moose on the first line when he comes back. He can score, he can skate and he can hit. That line needs a different element and he brings it.

I sure hope we don't trade him to Col.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

A few years ago, I got hit by cars twice in the span of a week. One, I walking down on the sidewalk and this idiot hits me coming out of the dep parking lot. Was on his phone. Knocked me into the street. Corner of Pierrefonds Blvd and Jacques Bizard. A few days later, I'm walking through the parking lot to get to Tim Hortons and this idiot backs out of her parking spot and hits me and didn't even stop! Probably didn't even know she hit me. Blvd Saint Jean where the Walmart is.

I'm 6'3" and people still find ways to hit me. You can't see me?! How!!

I live in the city. I've never been hit by a car in the city. Only in the west island. I don't like the west island.

When I was in my mid 20's, i used to work close to Rockland center and something similar to @overlord happened to me. I was walking up north on l'acadie, north of Rockland. It was summer, at noon and I had just bought lunch at La Belle Province (their grilled chicken burger was something else) and was bringing it back to my workplace. North of Rockland on L'acadie, there's an underpass for a train crossing, so i was walking downhill and then uphill torwards boulevard Sauvé. In the uphill part, about 20-30m from Sauvé, there's a small road into a cul-de-sac on the right where there was a workshop, maybe a mechanic or a carwash, can't remember exactly. I was about to cross that road when some old italian nutsack was driving fast despite the uphill and sideswiped me and my lunch as he turned the corner super fast to go into the cul-de-sac. A second later and my legs would've been meat-potatoes. My lunch got sprawled on the pavement, as I was lurched onto the sidewalk. f***ing douchenozzle tried to put the blame on me. I told the old fart that he was behind me so i only saw him turn at the last second, and anyway, buddy, pedestrians have right of way. Who the f*** turns on a dime at 40-50kmh to go into a small cul-de-sac?? Didn't you see me? He told me "you were supposed to stop". No i wasn't. It was a greenlight on a small street that people rarely ever drive into.

I moved away from the island a few years later. Best move i ever made.


This corner, although it seems it's not a cul-de-sac anymore, but I'm pretty sure it was 20 years ago. There wasn't a building on the south corner either, just an empty lot iirc:

 

[Captain97]

Ideally Newhook moves to the bottom six, as the someone else brought in is a top 6 forward. So would Newhook be a better bottom six C than Dvo? I'd have to see. If Newhook isn't, then he's just not a bottom 6 C and is only a bottom 6 winger. Because Dvo isn't exactly a great bottom 6 C.

To me Newhook is in the mould of Andrew Shaw in terms of usage not style.

Can fill in at C or on your 2nd line but ideally should be 3rd liner winger utility man used to fill in when injuries occur. Should be good for 15 goals, 40 points a year. If he can become a solid PKer I'd be very happy.

 

[Deebs]

Did he skate with the team yesterday.....full participant?

 

[26Mats]

To me Newhook is in the mould of Andrew Shaw in terms of usage not style.

Can fill in at C or on your 2nd line but ideally should be 3rd liner winger utility man used to fill in when injuries occur. Should be good for 15 goals, 40 points a year. If he can become a solid PKer I'd be very happy.

Ok, but he's on pace for 26 points over 82 games this year playing entirely in the top 6.

So, to me he hasn't proven that he can get 40 points playing on a 3rd line. But I'd like it if he could do that.

 

[Captain97]

Ok, but he's on pace for 26 points over 82 games this year playing entirely in the top 6.

So, to me he hasn't proven that he can get 40 points playing on a 3rd line. But I'd like it if he could do that.

This would be the first year of his producers career he doesn't get 30+ points and just turned 24. Assuming he gets 5-10 points more a year as he is just entering his prime isn't a crazy assumption. Given how bad his start was assuming he gets 30-35 this year is reasonable.

 

[ReHabs]

To me Newhook is in the mould of Andrew Shaw in terms of usage not style.

Can fill in at C or on your 2nd line but ideally should be 3rd liner winger utility man used to fill in when injuries occur. Should be good for 15 goals, 40 points a year. If he can become a solid PKer I'd be very happy.

A less physical Andrew Shaw who can't play on the PK and has bottom-shelf scoring/60 and scoring/game stats because, unlike Andrew Shaw, he plays top6 minutes.

"Should be good for 40 points a year" well he's on pace for 26.

This is scrub performance and production we're talking about. 26 points in 82 games, playing exclusively top6 and no PK time...

 

[Don D]

Heineman on the ice!

Canadiens : Emil Heineman a participé à l'entraînement collectif pour la première fois | RDS

Le Suédois âgé de 23 ans s'est blessé au haut du corps quand il a été percuté par une voiture à Salt Lake City le 13 janvier.

www.rds.ca

 

[1909]

Finally, he is back in the line up !

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Ok, but he's on pace for 26 points over 82 games this year playing entirely in the top 6.

Yeah with two boat anchors. Last year he was pacing for 50. And since Dach has come back he’s pacing for around 45.

So, to me he hasn't proven that he can get 40 points playing on a 3rd line. But I'd like it if he could do that.

He really got screwed this year. Dach sucked. Then he got his game back and they stuck them with Laine who sucks. It’s okay to blame Newhook for inconsistency and lack of finish but not all of it is his fault.

I think 3rd line is where he belongs. Put him with Heineman and Evans and that’d be a really solid line.

 

[26Mats]

Yeah with two boat anchors. Last year he was pacing for 50. And since Dach has come back he’s pacing for around 45.

He really got screwed this year. Dach sucked. Then he got his game back and they stuck them with Laine who sucks. It’s okay to blame Newhook for inconsistency and lack of finish but not all of it is his fault.

I think 3rd line is where he belongs. Put him with Heineman and Evans and that’d be a really solid line.

I also think Newhook belongs on a 3rd line. Will be interesting to see his production there...

I'm hoping it's not that either Newhook or Laine suck, it's more that they have particular strengths and weaknesses and were definitely not a match. I'm hoping... And I hope to see Newhook on the 3rd line next year and Laine with either Suzuki or Demidov - if they're back. If it's true Hughes is negotiating with Armia and Evans, there's only so many spots...

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I also think Newhook belongs on a 3rd line. Will be interesting to see his production there...

I'm hoping it's not that either Newhook or Laine suck, it's more that they have particular strengths and weaknesses and were definitely not a match. I'm hoping... And I hope to see Newhook on the 3rd line next year and Laine with either Suzuki or Demidov - if they're back. If it's true Hughes is negotiating with Armia and Evans, there's only so many spots...

Laine has sucked. Flat out. His numbers are worst in league just like Dach’s were. But that’s to be expected as he’s returning from injury. Dach’s numbers have improved and I expect the same will happen with Laine.

 

[Banjo Cat]

Heineman has been one of my favorite players so far this year. Glad he is back.

 

[26Mats]

Laine has sucked. Flat out. His numbers are worst in league just like Dach’s were. But that’s to be expected as he’s returning from injury. Dach’s numbers have improved and I expect the same will happen with Laine.

Laine has the same number of points as Newhook, and 4 less than Dach - in half as many games.

 

[Don D]

Ok, but he's on pace for 26 points over 82 games this year playing entirely in the top 6.

So, to me he hasn't proven that he can get 40 points playing on a 3rd line. But I'd like it if he could do that.

As a rookie, he is currently 11th in points, even though he missed all those games! Points aside, he is a solid skillfull player!

 

[26Mats]

As a rookie, he is currently 11th in points, even though he missed all those games! Points aside, he is a solid skillfull player!

We were talking about Laine, Dach, and Newhook in a side conversation. Not Heineman.

 

[ahmedou]

Habs since Heineman's return: 2-0

Habs without Heineman: 1-10

 

[Scriptor]

Laine has sucked. Flat out. His numbers are worst in league just like Dach’s were. But that’s to be expected as he’s returning from injury. Dach’s numbers have improved and I expect the same will happen with Laine.

The reality is that too many plays die on Newhook's stick (or off of his stick when he loses the puck, misses the net entirely, etc.)

6 points in the last 7 games, I think, yet it still feels so much like he's just really fast, with nothing happening for it.

I think that impression comes from so many plays that Peter out. If he had the skills to go with the speed, he'd probably be a 100-point producer.

Extremely frustrating to watch.

I don't see things getting better with third line minutes.

In the bottom-6, it will just be frustrating a different way, because he doesn't play physical hockey to be a forechecking grinder and is too bad defensively to be part of a checking line.

What would be his role in the bottom-6?

He may have paced for 50-points over parts of a season, but he's still never had more than 34 points in a season at the NHL level, for whatever reason and is a strictly negative player since joining the Habs.

Projections are only good if you are continually improving (like with Suzuki), or if you have a track record to show you can get there.

Newhook just isn't good enough, IMO, to be part of our top-9 if we expect to become a contender. It's that that he's awful per se, but it would clearly be a question of satisfying ourselves with what is already on the team, rather than going forward to look for something better, whether that is to come from within the system, or outside the organization.

Standards for bottom-6 players should be as high as they are for top-6 players whom we seem to love to bash.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

The reality is that too many plays die on Newhook's stick (or off of his stick when he loses the puck, misses the net entirely, etc.)

6 points in the last 7 games, I think, yet it still feels so much like he's just really fast, with nothing happening for it.

I think that impression comes from so many plays that Peter out. If he had the skills to go with the speed, he'd probably be a 100-point producer.

Extremely frustrating to watch.

I don't see things getting better with third line minutes.

In the bottom-6, it will just be frustrating a different way, because he doesn't play physical hockey to be a forechecking grinder and is too bad defensively to be part of a checking line.

What would be his role in the bottom-6?

He may have paced for 50-points over parts of a season, but he's still never had more than 34 points in a season at the NHL level, for whatever reason and is a strictly negative player since joining the Habs.

Projections are only good if you are continually improving (like with Suzuki), or if you have a track record to show you can get there.

Newhook just isn't good enough, IMO, to be part of our top-9 if we expect to become a contender. It's that that he's awful per se, but it would clearly be a question of satisfying ourselves with what is already on the team, rather than going forward to look for something better, whether that is to come from within the system, or outside the organization.

Standards for bottom-6 players should be as high as they are for top-6 players whom we seem to love to bash.

I get that. He’s been disappointing but I think he’s also shown he can be a better player.

How much better a player are you going to find for the third line? I just think he’s worth hanging onto.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

My boy is a beast , he elevates evans and armia to another level