GDT: [Emergency GDT, 3/16/25 1:30 MT] Avs vs Stars and the Battle for the Moose's Soul

[Richard88]

Born to be Wild?

Dirty Deeds?

Crazy Train?

Eric Clapton has a song that would be fitting

 

[LOFIN]

I am actually eating crow with Lindgren. He's been as fantastic as we can ask for. Sure a mental lapse here and there but less than the alternative would be.

Yea same

 

[Richard88]

The refs made a bad call on Marchment when it was clear Toews is the one that tripped Makar.

Other than that, which of the penalties were debatable?

- Jamie Benn runs the goalie for a clear goaltender interference penalty.
- Benn then high sticks resulting in blood. Automatic 4 minutes.
- Lyubushkin handles the puck like a grenade, it gets chipped past him and he doesn’t even pivot to go for the puck just two hands stops and interferes.

Like, those three are as automatic as they get.

Now, let’s look at our gripes…

- f***wad Furlatt makes no effort to get out of the way on our clearing attempt, resulting in Dallas’ first goal. Fine, “bad luck” but this asshole is brutal with us every game.

- Robertson viciously cross checks Makar to the face, Cale drops down hurt and holding his face. No call.

- Girard, Lehkonen, MacKinnon were all slewfooted on different occasions. Girard one was super blatant behind our net.

Those were just off the top of my head.

Once it was obvious Dallas couldn’t skate with us, DeBoer resorted to “playoff hockey” with stickwork on every shift. They got away with tons for a regular season game and have no leg to stand on when it comes to gripes or complaints.

Like, what the f*** is this…

The non-call trip on Necas in the OZ in the first period was bad too. We just had a PP though so we were never getting another one at that point. #Game management

 

[Grigowski]

And still this game should have never ever go into OT.... Giving Dallas a cheap point in this game is hilarious......

 

[Richard88]

So a lot of you might disagree but I didn’t like Wedgewood’s game today. He seemed like he was fighting the puck a lot (gave up a TON of bad rebounds, including the one on Duchene’s GTG) and just didn’t look comfortable back there. I will give him credit for making some huge saves at least. He wasn’t horrid but this wasn’t anything like his last performance.

Overall I liked the Avs game, they played aggressively and there really weren’t any passengers today. Only issues was when they screwed up they screwed up BAD (except for that first goal, f*** you ref). Prime example—an inexcusably bad turnover by Sammy G leads directly to the Duchene goal. Can’t do that shit in the playoffs.

So far I really like Lindgren. He’s been surprisingly good. Dude handles the puck reasonably well and is aggressive but isn’t insanely so like Manson can be at times.

Anyway big win. Would’ve been much bigger had they not blown the lead.

The bounce off the ref was obviously unlucky, but the Avs did get the puck first after that bounce and then failed to clear again. It's self inflicted to an extent, just like the last two goals, and they have to be better at clearing the puck.

 

[Richard88]

I mean, I get it. It was the first time in his career he'd scored 30 goals. I have little problem with the celebrition, honestly. To me, it's a nothing burger, and Roy overreacted. If he had scored 30 before, and did that, sure, then be pissed; but let the kid enjoy a big accomplishment in his career, on a team that was utter dogshit.

Where I have a problem with Duchene is the way he pouted and forced his way off the team. Clearly he was a team cancer by that time. IMO, he clearly hates the Avs organization now. You can see it in his celebrating every time he scores a goal vs them. From a fan-boy, who was drafted by his childhood favorite team, to hating them and celebrating like a effing idiot when he scores vs them. Makes my blood boil. FTG.

Did Duchene have a 30 goal scored bonus that year? Might also explain the celebration

 

[Grigowski]

Happy for the win, but when playoffs start and the refs put away the whistles, we better be ready this time.

That 3rd period was a first look for the playoffs. They wont outplay us, but they will try to outworn us again.

If you cant beat them, hurt them....

I dont give a shit about this "Dallas changed their style"... No, they will play the exact same DeBoer-Style like last year. And ffs i really hope Bednar and his crew are prepared and are finally able to counter this style.

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Can we get Mike Modano for a 2C? I mean he’s 54 but looks younger than Nelson

I recognize Modano's importance and place in US hockey history, but he always seemed a bity whiny for my liking.

Dude could make a jersey flap in his breeze like no other player I've ever seen. It made his skating look almost... majestic?

 

[Miri]

Happy for the win, but when playoffs start and the refs put away the whistles, we better be ready this time.

That 3rd period was a first look for the playoffs. They wont outplay us, but they will try to outworn us again.

If you cant beat them, hurt them....

I dont give a shit about this "Dallas changed their style"... No, they will play the exact same DeBoer-Style like last year. And ffs i really hope Bednar and his crew are prepared and are finally able to counter this style.

I f***ing hate them, since the 90s, moreso than Minny for example. And i worry about meeting them in the play-offs, cause i honestly believe they have our number, always had, at least more often than not. Yesterday was another fine example, despite outshooting and outplaying them, the game still ended up with a tie and we needed Makar individual brilliance to win it.

It always feels like we have to try the hardest to score, when to them it just happens so easily. The last time we played them this year (when we won like 7:3 or so), when Robertson thread the puck like aneedle through the smallest of holes out of nothing.... and obviously, now aside of Duchene, they have Rants as well, our former fan-favourites, with extra motivation to bury us, based on the reasons how we parted ways.

Now we barely beaten them, imagine they get Heiskanen and possibly even Seguin for playoffs. Nichushkin better not sniff the coke this year and be there and play like he did yesterday.

 

[Miri]

I mean, I get it. It was the first time in his career he'd scored 30 goals. I have little problem with the celebrition, honestly. To me, it's a nothing burger, and Roy overreacted. If he had scored 30 before, and did that, sure, then be pissed; but let the kid enjoy a big accomplishment in his career, on a team that was utter dogshit.

Where I have a problem with Duchene is the way he pouted and forced his way off the team. Clearly he was a team cancer by that time. IMO, he clearly hates the Avs organization now. You can see it in his celebrating every time he scores a goal vs them. From a fan-boy, who was drafted by his childhood favorite team, to hating them and celebrating like a effing idiot when he scores vs them. Makes my blood boil. FTG.

He used to be my fav Avs player, before we got Nate, and for sure, he soured on me as well. I would not be surprised if he had a strong dislike for Avs org now, so its not difficult to dislike him based on that assumption.

But bit to his defense now - he used to be a fan like we are. But then things did not go well, which happens during the rebuilds, and he was not the only one to blame. At the time we were rather top heavy team with weak defense, we needed to fix that, and unfortunately for him, he was the one that had to go to do that - even if he did not want to...and to make things worse, it took months to execute it, during which time he had to live in uncertainity, knowing its gonna happen, not knowing when - i mean, it surely sucked and might have broken him mentally, if he truly was the cancer on the team before the trade, that was the reason, and it was not completely his fault. There were circumstances out of his hands that led to it - i usually dont have much sympathy for people earning millions, but they are human too, after all.

On topic of Mikko, we now believe its all his fault for being greedy, but TBF, if its true he was surprised about the trade and would have accepted Avs terms if he knew he was a goner otherwise (and seeing the money he signed for with Dallas seem to suggest he would), the FO could have handled whole thing better as well. I mean, just tell him straight, either accept this, or get traded now, or if there was never intention to sign him in the first place, cause we could have someone like Necas for half the price, just tell him sorry, we believe we have to move one and cant afford you for that kind of money in the future...

 

[RoyIsALegend]

So our bet stands right? If Nuke gets a series winning goal, you and Dman wear a Nuke sweater for a year.

If Nuke goes into the player assistant program again I and whoever else wants to join me will wear your avatar, likely something resembling the cocain bear lol.

I never agreed to any bet.

Not because I doubt it going one way or another. I just like my avatar and think avatar bets are stupid.

Have a good day.

 

[dahrougem2]

He used to be my fav Avs player, before we got Nate, and for sure, he soured on me as well. I would not be surprised if he had a strong dislike for Avs org now, so its not difficult to dislike him based on that assumption.

But bit to his defense now - he used to be a fan like we are. But then things did not go well, which happens during the rebuilds, and he was not the only one to blame. At the time we were rather top heavy team with weak defense, we needed to fix that, and unfortunately for him, he was the one that had to go to do that - even if he did not want to...and to make things worse, it took months to execute it, during which time he had to live in uncertainity, knowing its gonna happen, not knowing when - i mean, it surely sucked and might have broken him mentally, if he truly was the cancer on the team before the trade, that was the reason, and it was not completely his fault. There were circumstances out of his hands that led to it - i usually dont have much sympathy for people earning millions, but they are human too, after all.

On topic of Mikko, we now believe its all his fault for being greedy, but TBF, if its true he was surprised about the trade and would have accepted Avs terms if he knew he was a goner otherwise (and seeing the money he signed for with Dallas seem to suggest he would), the FO could have handled whole thing better as well. I mean, just tell him straight, either accept this, or get traded now, or if there was never intention to sign him in the first place, cause we could have someone like Necas for half the price, just tell him sorry, we believe we have to move one and cant afford you for that kind of money in the future...

There is no defending Duchene. He is the one who requested the trade from the Avalanche and he said during the press conference after with Ottawa that he wanted to play playoff hockey as a major reason for his request.

That's the difference between he and Landeskog, because during that same timeframe when Landeskog was in trade rumours he reportedly bypassed his agent and went to Sakic himself to tell him he wants to stay.

A leader vs a whiner.

 

[Miri]

There is no defending Duchene. He is the one who requested the trade from the Avalanche and he said during the press conference after with Ottawa that he wanted to play playoff hockey as a major reason for his request.

That's the difference between he and Landeskog, because during that same timeframe when Landeskog was in trade rumours he reportedly bypassed his agent and went to Sakic himself to tell him he wants to stay.

A leader vs a whiner.

Whatever was said, i dont remember specifics, but i am pretty sure, even if it was him who ultimately requested the trade, the reason was not because he somehow could not wait to play play-offs over staying with his childhood club. The reason was surely that we have been dangling him as trade-bait for over a year, whether he liked it or not, and he must have grown tired of it.

OFC he was not going to say in press conference in Ottawa that he in fact did not want to be there, but Colorado was trading him anyway, in order to fix their defense.

 

[Tommy Shelby]

F*** Matt Duchene. He's also from Haliburton, and anyone familiar with the area would know that he embodies that place. Just a bunch of whiners who think they're better than they are

 

[Bront]

He used to be my fav Avs player, before we got Nate, and for sure, he soured on me as well. I would not be surprised if he had a strong dislike for Avs org now, so its not difficult to dislike him based on that assumption.

But bit to his defense now - he used to be a fan like we are. But then things did not go well, which happens during the rebuilds, and he was not the only one to blame. At the time we were rather top heavy team with weak defense, we needed to fix that, and unfortunately for him, he was the one that had to go to do that - even if he did not want to...and to make things worse, it took months to execute it, during which time he had to live in uncertainity, knowing its gonna happen, not knowing when - i mean, it surely sucked and might have broken him mentally, if he truly was the cancer on the team before the trade, that was the reason, and it was not completely his fault. There were circumstances out of his hands that led to it - i usually dont have much sympathy for people earning millions, but they are human too, after all.

On topic of Mikko, we now believe its all his fault for being greedy, but TBF, if its true he was surprised about the trade and would have accepted Avs terms if he knew he was a goner otherwise (and seeing the money he signed for with Dallas seem to suggest he would), the FO could have handled whole thing better as well. I mean, just tell him straight, either accept this, or get traded now, or if there was never intention to sign him in the first place, cause we could have someone like Necas for half the price, just tell him sorry, we believe we have to move one and cant afford you for that kind of money in the future...

That is how a FO loses support of a fanbase and is ultimately shown the door themselves. IMO the FO never had any intention of signing him but had to in a way pin it on Rantanen, which they did masterfully by sticking to lowball offer that Rantanen repeatedly turned down.

 

[JoeSakic13]

F*** Matt Duchene. He's also from Haliburton, and anyone familiar with the area would know that he embodies that place. Just a bunch of whiners who think they're better than they are

At least it’s not Gravenhurst or Keswick.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

That is how a FO loses support of a fanbase and is ultimately shown the door themselves. IMO the FO never had any intention of signing him but had to in a way pin it on Rantanen, which they did masterfully by sticking to lowball offer that Rantan
en repeatedly turned down.o

Bending for your star is a sure fire way to destroy your team.

 

[AvsMakar08]

Guys, please don't say anything bad about DeBoer on this forum. If DeBoer reads this forum and sees all the negative things we are saying about him and his team then he can call the league to test Nuke. We don't need no more tests on Nuke. Let them test Mack or someone else.

 

[Ararana]

That was a pretty good showing. Avs controlled the vast majority of the play and skated Dallas into the ground. The speed difference was evident, The Stars didn't do a good job at all of slowing the Avs down in the neutral zone - I do expect that to change in the postseason though when they're game planning for a seven game series.

Now, Dallas 100% will have Heiskanen back - even if they have to rush him back. Getting Dallas in round 1 might end up being a bit of a blessing in that sense. The Avs have always had that first round juice and I'd be surprised if Heiskanen is anywhere near 100% healthy come round one. With Heiskanen's injury being his knee - I think Mack & Necas are going to abuse that boy with their speed.

I seriously cannot believe Dallas didn't even pick up a single defenseman at the deadline to at least try to shore up their biggest weakness. Without Heiskanen their defense is atrocious, with him it's still vulnerable. That IS going to bite them in the postseason, hopefully against the Avs.

Stealing home ice is very much on the table now. If there's a game 7, it needs to happen in Colorado. Bednar isn't going to go winless against Debour and/or game 7s in the postseason - hopefully he breaks through this season.

Of course all of this is dependent on Nuke staying in the line up. The Avs are a completely different team with Nuke in the lineup.

 

[flyfysher]

I don’t understand the context of this and I’m not sure I want to.

He’s our resident Cocaine Bear. He wants to take on all comers and rip their face off.

 

[flyfysher]

Yea same

I didn’t want him. Wrong!

 

[Gatorbait19]

Absolutely not. Eddie O is THE worst colour guy in hockey.

This guy openly roots against the Avs every time he calls their games. It's actually weird.

Not sure if discussed yet, but when he was talking about the Rants negotiation and trade (and the depth we now have), he said something to the effect of “well you don’t know how badly the Avs really wanted to re-sign Rants and if the Avs really approached the negotiations in good faith.”

Just a completely nonsensical, ignorant, fact-less and bullshit take. It felt like Eddie O intentionally went outta his way to make up a take and try to make the Avs look bad.

 

[Grigowski]

That was a pretty good showing. Avs controlled the vast majority of the play and skated Dallas into the ground. The speed difference was evident, The Stars didn't do a good job at all of slowing the Avs down in the neutral zone - I do expect that to change in the postseason though when they're game planning for a seven game series.

Now, Dallas 100% will have Heiskanen back - even if they have to rush him back. Getting Dallas in round 1 might end up being a bit of a blessing in that sense. The Avs have always had that first round juice and I'd be surprised if Heiskanen is anywhere near 100% healthy come round one. With Heiskanen's injury being his knee - I think Mack & Necas is going to abuse that boy with their speed.

I seriously cannot believe Dallas didn't even pick up a single defenseman at the deadline to at least try to shore up their biggest weakness. Without Heiskanen their defense is atrocious, with him it's still vulnerable. That IS going to bite them in the postseason, hopefully against the Avs.

Stealing home ice is very much on the table now. If there's a game 7, it needs to happen in Colorado. Bednar isn't going to go winless against Debour and/or game 7s in the postseason - hopefully he breaks through this season.

Of course all of this is dependent on Nuke staying in the line up. The Avs are a completely different team with Nuke in the lineup.

I am pretty sure that "Playoff-Dallas" will be another tier than this Dallas we saw yesterday. Too bad we gave them life and let them get away with a loser point......

But make no mistake, this is going to be an ugly series against an ugly team with an ugly coach who knows how the play the Refs and to dismantle Bednar. Jared and his team had a year to prepare and solve this problem. They better have.

Dallas now knows that they cant skate with us, and they know that their D is not the same as last season. But they also know whom to target. And that 2 goals in 20 seconds to tie the game gave them a real booster. That shit better not happen again when the real dance begins.

On top they get back Heiskanen and maybe Seguin. But, those 2 will need some time to adjust. And playoff-hockey is another tier. Thats why i dont see us throwing in Landeskog either. So getting them in Round 1 might be indeed a blessing.

Dallas will up their game, we better be ready to to go on another level too.

This series gonna be a "war".

 

[Tommy Shelby]

At least it’s not Gravenhurst or Keswick.

Or C̶o̶u̶s̶i̶n̶F̶*̶*̶*̶ Kinmount

 

[MarkT]

Great win. My favorite part was watching Mikko kill two Stars rush chances by going offsides. Glad to see that part of his game hasn't changed. I don't know I've ever seen a player so consistently go offside. Between that and his "defensive" play, I'm not too worried about facing him in the playoffs at this point.