Proposal: Emelin to Ari, Carolina, Dallas or NJ

[Chan790]

10 mins a night... ?

Yeah. He's a LHD to a team with more NHL quality LHD than roster slots for them...he's a #5/6/7 for the Canes because he's not displacing Slavin or Hanifin in the top-4. So...10 minutes/night is the best-case scenario. It's probably closer to 6-10 minutes and a night in the press box if we decide we want to get an NHL look at one of the other kids.

Carrick is pretty-much knocking on the door and Fleury played well in camp last year and it's not inconceivable he makes the team this year.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Yeah. He's a LHD to a team with more NHL quality LHD than roster slots for them...he's a #5/6/7 for the Canes because he's not displacing Slavin or Hanifin in the top-4. So...10 minutes/night is the best-case scenario. It's probably closer to 6-10 minutes and a night in the press box if we decide we want to get an NHL look at one of the other kids.

Carrick is pretty-much knocking on the door and Fleury played well in camp last year and it's not inconceivable he makes the team this year.

My bets are on that Hainsey is in the top 4 over Hanifin to start the season. Not saying it will stay that way all season, but I see them starting him there.

Your point is right on though. Slavin, Hainsey, Hanifin, Fleury, Carrick.... LHD isn't a big need for Carolina so don't see them taking on a big salary and trading a prospect to get a player that doesn't fit a need. Also, Emelin has a limited NTC. Wouldn't surprise me if the Canes are 1 of the 10 teams he listed that he cannot be traded to.

 

[TT1]

Yeah. He's a LHD to a team with more NHL quality LHD than roster slots for them...he's a #5/6/7 for the Canes because he's not displacing Slavin or Hanifin in the top-4. So...10 minutes/night is the best-case scenario. It's probably closer to 6-10 minutes and a night in the press box if we decide we want to get an NHL look at one of the other kids.

Carrick is pretty-much knocking on the door and Fleury played well in camp last year and it's not inconceivable he makes the team this year.

6-10 mins a night is for a 4th line plug, those are 4th line forward minutes. Even the WORST bottom pairing dmen in the league average 13 mins + per game, if Emelin gets PK time he'd easily average ~17 mins a night even on a 3rd pair at 5v5.

P.S: Over the past 3 seasons Emelin has averaged 21 mins+ per game (vs solid competition), i dont think Hanifin would be getting more minutes than Emelin if they were to play on the same team.. unless Hanifin gets way more ice time and plays vs way better competition than he did last season..

compare their numbers:

(Hanifin)
http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_stat...+3+5+4+6+7+8+13+14+29+30+32+33+34+45+46+63+67

(Emelin)
http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_stat...+3+5+4+6+7+8+13+14+29+30+32+33+34+45+46+63+67

Also Emelin is a lefty but he can play both as a RD and LD, he actually prefers playing on the right side. In any case all this doesn't matter, Emelin's been playing well since last season (including the preseason), he's one of the best hitters in the league and he's playing solid D for us like he used to before his injury, no point in moving him.

And do you really think your management would bring up Fleury/Carrick/Pesce/Hanifin/Slavin at the same time without surrounding them with vets? Those guys are all 22 and under.

 

[GoldiFox]

6-10 mins a night is for a 4th line plug, those are 4th line forward minutes. Even the WORST bottom pairing dmen in the league average 13 mins + per game, if Emelin gets PK time he'd easily average ~17 mins a night even on a 3rd pair at 5v5.

P.S: Over the past 3 seasons Emelin has averaged 21 mins+ per game (vs solid competition), i dont think Hanifin would be getting more minutes than Emelin if they were to play on the same team.. unless Hanifin gets way more ice time and plays vs way better competition than he did last season..

compare their numbers:

(Hanifin)
http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_stat...+3+5+4+6+7+8+13+14+29+30+32+33+34+45+46+63+67

(Emelin)
http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_stat...+3+5+4+6+7+8+13+14+29+30+32+33+34+45+46+63+67

Also Emelin is a lefty but he can play both as a RD and LD, he actually prefers playing on the right side. In any case all this doesn't matter, Emelin's been playing well since last season (including the preseason), he's one of the best hitters in the league and he's playing solid D for us like he used to before his injury, no point in moving him.

And do you really think your management would bring up Fleury/Carrick/Pesce/Hanifin/Slavin at the same time without surrounding them with vets? Those guys are all 22 and under.

Very solid analysis. Clearly the stats show that Emelin >> Hanifin. The numbers check out guys, Emelin would get more ice time.

History shows that Ron Francis would never trust so many young defenseman on one team. It's not like the guy had three Rookies playing pivotal roles last year. What they need is hard hitting gritmen like Emelin who alone makes more than 3/4 of their current top-4 D combined. All the Canes would have to pay is their best Center prospect, it's a bargain.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

6-10 mins a night is for a 4th line plug, those are 4th line forward minutes. Even the WORST bottom pairing dmen in the league average 13 mins + per game, if Emelin gets PK time he'd easily average ~17 mins a night even on a 3rd pair at 5v5.

P.S: Over the past 3 seasons Emelin has averaged 21 mins+ per game (vs solid competition), i dont think Hanifin would be getting more minutes than Emelin if they were to play on the same team.. unless Hanifin gets way more ice time and plays vs way better competition than he did last season..

Comparing an 18 year old in his 1st NHL season and drawing a conclusion as to how they'll be used going forward is a bit misleading. Your overall point is valid though, he'd get considerably more than 10 min. if he was on Carolina.

And do you really think your management would bring up Fleury/Carrick/Pesce/Hanifin/Slavin at the same time without surrounding them with vets? Those guys are all 22 and under.

First, I think you are a bit misinformed. Pesce, Hanifin and Slavin are already on the NHL team and were last year. There's no "bringing up" for them, they are already "UP".

Second, Faulk and Hainsey are on the team and are vets, so it's not like the Canes ONLY have 22 and under guys. Yes, Faulk is only 24, but he has as much NHL experience as Emelin.

Third, YES, I do think the Canes management will do this, because here are all the defensemen who are left in camp today:

Hainsey: 35 (Lock to be in NHL)
Faulk: 24 (Lock to be in NHL)
Slavin: 22 (Lock to be in NHL)
Pesce: 21 (Lock to be in NHL)
Hanifin: 19 (Lock to be in NHL)
Murphy: 23 (very likely to be in NHL)
Carrick: 22
Fleury: 20
McKeown: 20

Don't get me wrong. I would not have a problem having Emelin, or another VET on the Canes, and leaving Fleury, Carrick and McKeown in the AHL. I just don't see them taking on a defenseman for $4.2M and $4.4M over the next 2 years and giving up a prospect to get him.

As I said earlier, I also would think the Canes are probably on Emelin's NTC list.

 

[ghdi]

Nope, no interest in Emelin right now. I can take or leave Gormley since he's already been sent down, but its more the roster spot in Newark. With Auvitu emerging as a potential top 4 guy, we need a more significant upgrade defensively to give a cap break to someone.

Emelin would cause someone like Jon Merrill to be even more expendable which is not necessarily a bad thing, but at the same time its just not something that needs to be done. Emelin would also have to approve the trade to NJ and thats no guarantee. The move is not worth the 8M over 2 years that he's due.

 

[CanadiensforLife]

Agreed that Markov is far from a cap dump but its equally annoying as a non Habs fan to see Emelin forever being labelled a "top 4" D and always being offered up in trades.

I have never seen a top 4 D offered up so often by its teams fans as Emelin and the Habs

I can say the same about Leafs fans offering Kadri so often in trade proposals or Polak.