(Elliott) - Jim Benning Firing: It Sounds like its coming

[EpochLink]

Always an exciting day on hfboards when GMs get canned.

Fare thee well Jim. I hope you land on your feet. I think you draft well.

He will land somewhere I’m sure, OBC connections I’m sure.

 

[Drew Doubty]

Tkachuk, (Baertschi -> Andersson), Markstrom and Tanev...

Benning has done a fine job helping to build the Calgary Flames core. If he loses his job, he will be sorely missed by the Flames.

You guys are going to be a middling team for the rest of time. When's your window? Now? In a couple years? I'm glad you've accepted mediocrity for infinite

 

[BWJM]

Gillis still in BC? He can act as the GM to finish the year.

 

[EpochLink]

Gillis still in BC? He can act as the GM to finish the year.

If Gillis is GM again, the OBC will give the finger to him and the Vancouver Canucks.

 

[Szechwan]

Benning deserves to keep his job if we're looking at how he drafted.

Unfortunately, that is only a fraction of the GM's job and by every other measure he's been pretty bad. This group has zero vision or foresight and pretty much just flies by the seat of their pants on any given offseason.

That caught up with them in a huge way this offseason when they let Markstrom, Tanev, Toffoli and Stecher walk for nothing because they'd signed so many awful vets to bad contracts. Not to mention losing Brackett and Malholtra, who are both thriving in their new orgs.


My fear isn't that firing Benning is a bad decision, it's that the same ownership group that hired him will be appointing the next GM.

 

[Szechwan]

Gillis still in BC? He can act as the GM to finish the year.

No joke, I hope they give Gilman a look.

 

[BWJM]

If Gillis is GM again, the OBC will give the finger to him and the Vancouver Canucks.

Haha I bet. Has there ever been a GM fired and hired again? You never know covid brings out all the weird.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Is he? I get the sense most in Vancouver HATE him

The split is likely 70/30, but the 30% disappear when the team is struggling and their voices are suddenly gone, and under Benning we've struggled pretty much the entire time save for two fluke seasons.

 

[BCNate]

I'd wait until the offseason to make any GM move of that 's the way it goes. There is no upside in doing it now, as you can't really make any moves to fix the team due to the 14 day quarantine. JB's has done a great job of drafting/leading our scout team, why let him go midway through the year when we are staring down a high 1st/high 2nd? Even of they make the move prior to the draft, you at least get the value out of his scouting ability until then. We are going to be paying him regardless.

The timing doesn't make sense to me. I'd move on from Green before making a GM move mid season. I feel the biggest reason for our struggles comes from our defensive structure/ability to adapt than personnel.

 

[Oneiro]

Vancouver was the biggest regression candidate in the league, next to NYR. Benning probably should go anyway but don't necessarily think there's a fix needed aside from losing the obvious dead weight. The best players on the team are young and just need more incoming talent which will come with being bad.

 

[EpochLink]

Haha I bet. Has there ever been a GM fired and hired again? You never know covid brings out all the weird.

When Gillis was GM of the Canucks his drafting was shit and produced 2 NHL players from his tenure, Bo Horvat is still in the league and is our captain.

Also let’s keep it real, the NHL is very political and if you ain’t down with the OBC you are severely screwed. Gillis was this and the only team he dealt with in terms of trading was the Panthers.

What team is Gillis a part of now once he left Vancouver? How many interviews has he had? None have led to jobs.

 

[Nucker101]

My biggest fear is that when Benning is fired his replacement is an equally inept Chiarelli or JFJ. The other issue is that even if Benning is fired tomorrow, his interim replacement is probably Weisbrod. Just an awful time to replace a GM.

I think it’d be some random former Canuck, maybe Stan Smyl or Ryan Johnson.

im worried that Johnson might actually get the GM job, not just interim

 

[InfinityIggy]

I would say this is a bit of a knee-jerk reaction to a bad start to the season, but given his cap management over the last 18 months, probably time to stop him from doing more damage.

 

[Peter Griffin]

I would say this is a bit of a knee-jerk reaction to a bad start to the season, but given his cap management over the last 18 months, probably time to stop him from doing more damage.

18 months? It's been an issue since day 1. Brandon Sutter's contract alone prevented the Canucks from making moves this off-season.

 

[CascadiaPuck]

Haha I bet. Has there ever been a GM fired and hired again? You never know covid brings out all the weird.

Not hockey, but check out Billy Martin and the Yankees. Hired and fired as a manager five times?

 

[4Twenty]

I'd wait until the offseason to make any GM move of that 's the way it goes. There is no upside in doing it now, as you can't really make any moves to fix the team due to the 14 day quarantine. JB's has done a great job of drafting/leading our scout team, why let him go midway through the year when we are staring down a high 1st/high 2nd? Even of they make the move prior to the draft, you at least get the value out of his scouting ability until then. We are going to be paying him regardless.

The timing doesn't make sense to me. I'd move on from Green before making a GM move mid season. I feel the biggest reason for our struggles comes from our defensive structure/ability to adapt than personnel.

Lunacy. Utter lunacy.

You want another Virtanen/Juolevi and Lind/Woo combo?

 

[EpochLink]

I would say this is a bit of a knee-jerk reaction to a bad start to the season, but given his cap management over the last 18 months, probably time to stop him from doing more damage.

Loui Eriksson albatross of a contract is hand cuffing this team, which was signed in the 2016 off season. This man has cashed in the checks and could give a flying f*** about trying as long as the money guaranteed in his bank account.

 

[4Twenty]

I would say this is a bit of a knee-jerk reaction to a bad start to the season, but given his cap management over the last 18 months, probably time to stop him from doing more damage.

Knee jerk or now all his mistakes are finally showing up to casuals who haven’t been paying attention the whole time. He should have never been extended in 2018 and had to be overruled to get Pettersson.

Guys a rube. Terrible manager. Mediocre scout.

 

[EpochLink]

Knee jerk or now all his mistakes are finally showing up to casuals who haven’t been paying attention the whole time. He should have never been extended in 2018 and had to be overruled to get Pettersson.

Guys a rube. Terrible manager. Mediocre scout.

Which is why he will get another job once he leaves Vancouver. NHL loves to recycle their own.

 

[InfinityIggy]

18 months? It's been an issue since day 1. Brandon Sutter's contract alone prevented the Canucks from making moves this off-season.

It's definitely been an issue longer than that, but this past off-season and the season+off-season before that I felt were particularly problematic. Early on the Canucks were retooling/rebuilding, so a little easier to look the other way on some questionable UFA signings.

 

[6ix]

He deserves to be fired after an idiotic off season. He was his own downfall.

 

[4Twenty]

Which is why he will get another job once he leaves Vancouver. NHL loves to recycle their own.

I hope he ends up in Edmonton. Screw then over for a decade.

 

[BHD]

The Offseason of 2018 is really coming back to haunt him.

He deserves to be fired after an idiotic off season. He was his own downfall.

This. If you bring up the proverbial train coming towards him, he's the one who tied himself to the tracks.

 

[Peter Griffin]

It's definitely been an issue longer than that, but this past off-season and the season+off-season before that I felt were particularly problematic. Early on the Canucks were retooling/rebuilding, so a little easier to look the other way on some questionable UFA signings.

That was what was used to defend Benning's signings of Beagle/Roussel, "these deals won't affect us when we're ready to contend", but low and behold, they did. I agree though that the last two off-seasons have bore the worst fruit. The Myers/Ferland signings in particular will haunt the Canucks' new GM over the next couple seasons. Without those two, they could've legitimately made an offer to Alex Pietrangelo this off-season.

 

[BCNate]

Lunacy. Utter lunacy.

You want another Virtanen/Juolevi and Lind/Woo combo?

Nice job finding two bad picks and ignoring all of the others. In your world does every GM hit on 100% of their picks?