Value of: Elias Pettersson

[Jetskiis]

If Vancouver has already softened their stance on not retaining any part of his salary, clearly they were asking around and did not like the trade packages that were offered. I think a ep40 trade will end up returning much much less than fans expect. #9 is a pipe dream.

 

[nerevarine]

Elias has without a doubt the worst contract in the entire nhl. You need to add two firsts just to make a team consider taking it.

Soft euro with a career year who will never replicate it, especially on a garbage team like vancouver

 

[TheRumble]

I'm just gonna say this for anyone who thinks EP's cap hit is somehow untradeable. The NHL cap:

2026-27 - 104.5 million
2027-28 - 113.5 million
2028-29 - 123 million

Those are the NHL's own projections. If we go forward and assume the cap is only gonna go up $6 million from there each year since by 2030-31 when his contract ends, the cap will be - and this is a very conservative number, $135 million. Worst case scenario, if he's declined to being a 60 point 2C, there are plenty of teams now that can fit that number into their salary budgets going forward. You guys are still judging cap hits like it's the COVID era where everything is static. The cap is going up 20 million in just three years, it's actually rising at a faster rate than salary inflation. Contracts like Petterson's is gonna go from borderline terrible to risky to slightly overpaid in like a 3 year span.

Vancouver won't have to retain to trade Petterson.

 

[Peter Griffin]

I'm just gonna say this for anyone who thinks EP's cap hit is somehow untradeable. The NHL cap:

2026-27 - 104.5 million
2027-28 - 113.5 million
2028-29 - 123 million

Those are the NHL's own projections. If we go forward and assume the cap is only gonna go up $6 million from there each year since by 2030-31 when his contract ends, the cap will be - and this is a very conservative number, $135 million. Worst case scenario, if he's declined to being a 60 point 2C, there are plenty of teams now that can fit that number into their salary budgets going forward. You guys are still judging cap hits like it's the COVID era where everything is static. The cap is going up 20 million in just three years, it's actually rising at a faster rate than salary inflation. Contracts like Petterson's is gonna go from borderline terrible to risky to slightly overpaid in like a 3 year span.

Vancouver won't have to retain to trade Petterson.

I’ve said it before, the best scenario is for Vancouver to take back a 2 or 3 cap dump in the $4-5M range.

 

[SuperScript29]

I'm just gonna say this for anyone who thinks EP's cap hit is somehow untradeable. The NHL cap:

2026-27 - 104.5 million
2027-28 - 113.5 million
2028-29 - 123 million

Those are the NHL's own projections. If we go forward and assume the cap is only gonna go up $6 million from there each year since by 2030-31 when his contract ends, the cap will be - and this is a very conservative number, $135 million. Worst case scenario, if he's declined to being a 60 point 2C, there are plenty of teams now that can fit that number into their salary budgets going forward. You guys are still judging cap hits like it's the COVID era where everything is static. The cap is going up 20 million in just three years, it's actually rising at a faster rate than salary inflation. Contracts like Petterson's is gonna go from borderline terrible to risky to slightly overpaid in like a 3 year span.

Vancouver won't have to retain to trade Petterson.

Has nothing to do with cap space, when one of your highest paid players is not living up to his potential, it's going to be hard justifying that salary to the fanbase.

 

[TheRumble]

I’ve said it before, the best scenario is for Vancouver to take back a 2 or 3 cap dump in the $4-5M range.

That makes sense if they're gonna rebuild for sure. But the notion that the Canucks have to retain on a center who at his very worst is still a 60 point defensively responsible and under 30 with a compelling upside is ludicrous.

Has nothing to do with cap space, when one of your highest paid players is not living up to his potential, it's going to be hard justifying that salary to the fanbase.

LMAO, FK the fanbase then. It's not their money. If you're a team like the Montreal Canadiens and you got all these guys under amazing contracts, an overpaid Petterson fits your timeline perfectly. His contract expires before Suzuki, Caulfield, Hutson are all up for their big deals and Gallagher, Danault and Anderson all have their deals expire during the duration of Petterson's deal. That sort of timeline works for a lot of teams.

 

[gianni]

Elias has without a doubt the worst contract in the entire nhl. You need to add two firsts just to make a team consider taking it.

Soft euro with a career year who will never replicate it, especially on a garbage team like vancouver

Darnell Nurse says hello.

9.25M for a #5 dman is worse than 11.6M on a 2C. Rather have an overpaid second line center, than an overpaid bottom-pair left-side dman.

Ryan Graves at 4.5M also sucks, as he's been touted as an AHLer these days.

 

[SuperScript29]

LMAO, FK the fanbase then. It's not their money. If you're a team like the Montreal Canadiens and you got all these guys under amazing contracts, an overpaid Petterson fits your timeline perfectly.

If an overpaid EP is not able to pull his weight around all those amazing contracts, not sure how well he would be liked in the locker room. That "timeline" is very long given the term of his contract. I think you just need to accept that the value is going to be little to nothing.

 

[Qwijibo]

Is playing with Evander Kane & Jake DeBrusk while taking the hard matchups really a plum position? The amount of good shooting opportunities he setup for those guys that they didn't score on was frustrating.

(Yes DeBrusk scored 23 goals, and 19 of them were on the powerplay)

With Pettersson playmaking ability & 1 timer he's probably getting a shot on the 1st powerplay with his next team.

Depends on the team. He wouldn't get a sniff on a team like Montreal or any other team with a top PP

 

[Canucks LB]

Elias has without a doubt the worst contract in the entire nhl. You need to add two firsts just to make a team consider taking it.

Soft euro with a career year who will never replicate it, especially on a garbage team like vancouver

One of the worst players and contracts in the league OEL got No. 9 pick (Gunther) in the 2021 NHL Draft and forwards Loui Eriksson, Jay Beagle and Antoine Roussel.
In a dead cap era.

Just need 1 team to be desperate, and the C market and UFA market is dreadful, somebody gonna bite, not to mention the cap is skyrocketing

 

[Peter Griffin]

Darnell Nurse says hello.

9.25M for a #5 dman is worse than 11.6M on a 2C. Rather have an overpaid second line center, than an overpaid bottom-pair left-side dman.

Ryan Graves at 4.5M also sucks, as he's been touted as an AHLer these days.

There’s also 33 year old winger Jonathan Huberdeau at $10.5x5.

 

[Qwijibo]

That makes sense if they're gonna rebuild for sure. But the notion that the Canucks have to retain on a center who at his very worst is still a 60 point defensively responsible and under 30 with a compelling upside is ludicrous.


LMAO, FK the fanbase then. It's not their money. If you're a team like the Montreal Canadiens and you got all these guys under amazing contracts, an overpaid Petterson fits your timeline perfectly. His contract expires before Suzuki, Caulfield, Hutson are all up for their big deals and Gallagher, Danault and Anderson all have their deals expire during the duration of Petterson's deal. That sort of timeline works for a lot of teams.

His very worst is 60 points yet he hasn't come close to that the past 2 seasons....

And dont tell me he was "pacing". You dont get credit for games you dont play and points you dont score

 

[TheRumble]

His very worst is 60 points yet he hasn't come close to that the past 2 seasons....

And dont tell me he was "pacing". You dont get credit for games you dont play and points you dont score

Alright, so since you don't do things like pro-rate for 82 games...

He put up numbers comparable to Brady Tkachuk who is paid $3 million less, is terrible defensively, had a playoffs where he had more 5 minute major than points, plays a much less important position, is and went was just traded for a 9th overall, 25th overall and next year's 1st round pick.

Petterson easily gets a positive return for Vancouver. Teams that are light on centers aren't just gonna wait around for McDavid to hit free agency and enter the sweepstakes.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

His very worst is 60 points yet he hasn't come close to that the past 2 seasons....

And dont tell me he was "pacing". You dont get credit for games you dont play and points you dont score

Pacing isn't 'giving credit' for games not played, is projecting based on scoring rate. And this isn't a small sample size.

You think any player who doesn't play a full season would score 0 points in the missed games if they had? Cause thats kind of inferred and its dumb.

 

[Seatoo]

With how bad the UFA class is and the cap going up, 11.6 really won’t seem unreasonable for a 60-70 pt defensive centre. EP40 is still the highest scoring player from his draft class, and by a decent margin, hell Hischer’s numbers are worse and he’s about to get 12-13m so at this point unless we get value and arent retaining, f*** it we can just keep him. People are already hoping Malhotra will be a 60 defensive centre, let’s get EP40 the wingers he needs and try without all the cancerous Americans in the dressing room (Miller, Hughes, Garland etc)