Value of: Elias Pettersson

[Strangle]

Can this guy still play? Contract aside, is he good 2nd line center material?

Or is he absolutely cooked?

Does he have any value at all at his cap hit, what would his value be at 50% retained?

Definitely a reclamation project at this point. Do any teams have interest and are the Canucks willing to pay to move him?

 

[Justicebork]

They say all music comes from the same four chords.

 

[settinguptheplay]

Can this guy still play? Contract aside, is he good 2nd line center material?

Or is he absolutely cooked?

Does he have any value at all at his cap hit, what would his value be at 50% retained?

Definitely a reclamation project at this point. Do any teams have interest and are the Canucks willing to pay to move him?

He can still play. He is not a Loui Eriksson. His defensive play is excellent. But he often appears disinterested. Like his passion for the game is gone. At a minimum, on a decent team, he is still a 60 point 2 way Center. If not for an 11m+ contract he would have plenty of value. I believe the Tocchet, JT Miller drama killed his love for the game. I still believe he has the talent to be 90+ again but obviously there is real risk in that.

There is zero chance Vancouver retains 50% of the contract. If they did they are going to want full value for Pettersson. Which means multiple first round picks. EP40 at under 6 million would be insane value. I suspect any retained salary would be under 2m. With the rising cap EP's salary does not look near as bad. Just wait to see some the deals that are gonna hit in the next couple of years.

Of course HFBoards are all going to try to convince you that even at 50% retained EP40 is worth a second rounder or something. But you and I both know HFBoards are terrible evaluators of talent when it comes to Canadian teams.

 

[LBCANUCK]

if the Canucks don't retain you would be looking at a jesperi kotkaniemi + 1st or a 2nd and prospect but if hes being retained the Canucks will get a haul

 

[Justicebork]

 

[Waldorf]

He’s not being retained. Reading it, part of how Aqua has been sold on a rebuild is cruising for a few years at the cap min. I think that possibility can be safely disregarded. And I think they’re happy to just hold on to him until they get an acceptable enough offer if they really play the kids.

I think teams would probably have to talk to Petterson himself and gauge where he’s at. I can see some GMs (ex: Yzerman, Verbeek, Guerin) who are from the old school turning up their nose at him at full cap, which might limit the number of buyers. It’s clear quite a few things went wrong in Vancouver and he was part of that. Maybe in a different environment with a smaller media footprint he might be able to find his game.

What I think seems reasonable as of right now:

A.) A high-mid (8-15ish) 1st round center prospect and a 2nd round pick
B.) A mid 2027 1st and a B center prospect
C.) A fringe 2C roster center and an assortment of draft capital

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Leafs offer Avalanche 2027 1st + C Jacob Quillan (RFA) for Pettersson full cap hit.

 

[theVladiator]

Ok, to summarize:
* former star 1C
* making star 1C money
* currently playing somewhere on 2C level
* seems to project negative and disinterested attitude

He could fit as a 2C on many teams, IF they can fit that salary under the cap and IF they are ok risking their team's chemistry. These two IFs really narrows the market for EP40 down to the most desperate few. Hard to get fair value when the demand is low. My guess is he stays a Canuck for the foreseeable future.

 

[BoBfromAulon]

Leafs offer Avalanche 2027 1st + C Jacob Quillan (RFA) for Pettersson full cap hit.

No they don't. Believe me, we don't need another mercurial, stubborn prima donna. I will go as far as saying that he might be a cap dump at this point (full contract value) and i won't even bother if he was for free...

Ps the guy doesn't even get along with the Sedins, who does that

 

[TS Quint]

He's a 50 point centre if he plays 19 minutes a night with over 3 of those minutes on the power play. That's enough to make you by far the worst teams in the league.

Hes not going to score more than that on another team's 2nd line (probably a 3C on a good team) and 2 PP time.

Canucks fans will try to convince you that he's s going to bounce back one of these year's if they keep saying it every year. But that hasn't happened. They won't even be honest and say he scored 50 points this year and as above call him a 60 point player. And even to consider him for 90 points again should require medication to fix that kind of cognitive dissonance.

 

[RationalExpectations]

He's a 50 point centre if he plays 19 minutes a night with over 3 of those minutes on the power play. That's enough to make you by far the worst teams in the league.

Hes not going to score more than that on another team's 2nd line (probably a 3C on a good team) and 2 PP time.

Canucks fans will try to convince you that he's s going to bounce back one of these year's if they keep saying it every year. But that hasn't happened. They won't even be honest and say he scored 50 points this year and as above call him a 60 point player. And even to consider him for 90 points again should require medication to fix that kind of cognitive dissonance.

To be completely frank as a VAN fan I don t know what he is. For the past two years, it s like it is not even the Same Player on the ice as the 6 seasons before. I however fully agree with your Statement that in his current state, he may not even be good enough for 2C duties on a contender. Now it is possible it is all in his Head and a change of a scenery would do him good. Even Maybe a year with a new coach in VAN would do him good.
Right now I can t see any team giving anything of high value for him without massive retention.

 

[LGB]

Blues rumored to have interest and I think he would be a good add. Complicated to gauge the value at his current AAV. To me from the outside looking in I think a change of scenery would help him regain his form to some extent. I think his scoring would increase with the Blues playing with Kyrou on our 2nd line. Last season his most common linemates were Debrusk and Evander Kane. He'd also be on the top PP obviously.

 

[settinguptheplay]

He's a 50 point centre if he plays 19 minutes a night with over 3 of those minutes on the power play. That's enough to make you by far the worst teams in the league.

Hes not going to score more than that on another team's 2nd line (probably a 3C on a good team) and 2 PP time.

Canucks fans will try to convince you that he's s going to bounce back one of these year's if they keep saying it every year. But that hasn't happened. They won't even be honest and say he scored 50 points this year and as above call him a 60 point player. And even to consider him for 90 points again should require medication to fix that kind of cognitive dissonance.

Well, I guess if we want exacting totals he did not reach 60 points last year. He had 51 in 74 games. Works out to about 56 over a full season. Closer to my 60 than your 50. His common linemates were E. Kane, Hoglander, Debrusk and Garland. A collection of middle 6 wingers. So it is not like he was being supported with top line talent. I don't think it unreasonable to call him a 60 point C at this stage of his career.

You have no idea what he could score on the 2nd line. In Montreal he would have better wingers on the 2nd line than he had in Vancouver on the top line.

Very few Canucks fans will try to convince you he will bounce back. Most have given up on him and ready to move on. Seems you have an axe to grind with the Canucks. Not a shock. The Canucks have plenty of irrational haters.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Canucks would be best served to target a team with a bad cap dump they can take back in order to offset Pettersson’s salary. Ryan Graves @ $4.5M and the Penguins for example.

 

[57special]

They say all music comes from the same four chords.

I heard it was three. Wish MN had a cap dump to send back the other way in a deal, but they don't. They also don't want to complicate a Hughes extension, so...

I can't see him having much, if any, value, w/o retention. Maybe even negative value. He will have a small amount of teams that can afford to take on his cap hit, making it even harder to deal him.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Pettersson (no retention) for Novak, Koivunen, and a 2nd.

 

[spockBokk]

If the rumors about the Canucks being willing to to retain are true, I’d say he definitely should have some value, nothing extreme but certainly better than some might think.

 

[Bring Back Bucky]

He’s not being retained. Reading it, part of how Aqua has been sold on a rebuild is cruising for a few years at the cap min. I think that possibility can be safely disregarded. And I think they’re happy to just hold on to him until they get an acceptable enough offer if they really play the kids.

I think teams would probably have to talk to Petterson himself and gauge where he’s at. I can see some GMs (ex: Yzerman, Verbeek, Guerin) who are from the old school turning up their nose at him at full cap, which might limit the number of buyers. It’s clear quite a few things went wrong in Vancouver and he was part of that. Maybe in a different environment with a smaller media footprint he might be able to find his game.

What I think seems reasonable as of right now:

A.) A high-mid (8-15ish) 1st round center prospect and a 2nd round pick
B.) A mid 2027 1st and a B center prospect
C.) A fringe 2C roster center and an assortment of draft capital

No one is taking that contract without rentention unless a bad contract goes the other way.

 

[Waldorf]

No one is taking that contract without rentention unless a bad contract goes the other way.

I unironically think Detroit could trade for Petterson even though he is cooked. He's not an Yzerman guy but I can see a scenario where maybe some of the euro guys look at him and there's some behind the scenes talks with permission.

 

[PlayMakers]

Lohrei, Poitras and Mittelstadt (who you can flip at the deadline) for Elias Pettersson. No retention.

 

[Diablo2020]

Value of two mid 1sts, preferably centers.

 

[Cogburn]

Guys unmotivated, but not cooked.

Our locker room was the problem, especially our coach, captain and his besties, and while a "real leader woulda...", that was never his role for us.

He can skate, he can shoot well, he can make great plays, but with the amount of crap surrounding him (the hostile coaching staff, the proposed and encouraged bullying from Miller and Garland happening, his wife's miscarriage, the general crapiness of our team on the whole), he hasn't really shown it off.

He could bounce back to better than he's been showing, but I'm honestly done waiting around. A 50-60 point, defensively responsible 2C is where I'd place him. If he's here, great, if not the usual 1st, prospect and player combo most top six guys get is enough for me, even if that player is simply a cap dump at this stage. Available Cs that aren't going to cost an era defining return aren't really around, but once one of Larkin, Matthews, et al.are moved, the pool just gets more shallow, so who knows. I'm not hoping for much more though.

 

[vokiel]

 

[Breakers]

Its a mental block

he needs a full time sports psychologist, and a coach who can break down his walls

talent is there still I believe

 

[Peter Griffin]

Lohrei, Poitras and Mittelstadt (who you can flip at the deadline) for Elias Pettersson. No retention.

I think Canucks will be able to get a better futures package than this if they’re willing to take back salary.