Elias Pettersson vs Tim Stützle

[Luigi Lemieux]

Classic HF all these posters will go back into their hiding hole when pettersson ends the season with more points than stutzle while also being better defensively.

One player is getting better over time, the other is getting worse

 

[Golden_Jet]

+/- is not great but Stutzle’s made big strides in his all around game. His defensive reads and support have been good for sometime now but his puck management has always caused problems when it comes to chances against. This season it looks like he has bought into the idea that less is more and it’s really showing up in his defensive metrics.

It’s fine comparing amongst teammates, which is what I outlined. That shows with Tim being first among his teammates and Petey 16th compared to his.

 

[Regal]

It’s fine comparing amongst teammates, which is what I outlined. That shows with Tim being first among his teammates and Petey 16th compared to his.

No it’s not

 

[Golden_Jet]

Are you really using plus minus to determine defense ?

yes one is 1st relative to teammates,
one is 16th relative to teammates.
I’m not comparing the +8 vs -4, I’m comparing the relatives.

It’s not even close, who is better defensively.

 

[Regal]

yes one is 1st relative to teammates,
one is 16th relative to teammates.
I’m not comparing the +8 vs -4, I’m comparing the relatives.

It’s not even close, who is better defensively.

That’s embarrassing

 

[Golden_Jet]

That’s embarrassing

Lmao, thanks for the satire, and thinking Petey is better defensively, classic nucks fan. Needed a good laugh, thanks.

 

[Regal]

Lmao, thanks for the satire, and thinking Petey is better defensively, classic nucks fan.

Thanks for showing you’re clueless because you think being on the ice for goals for involves defense.

Guess Tyler Myers is better defensively than Jake Sanderson too by your plus minute relative to team nonsense

 

[Golden_Jet]

Thanks for showing you’re clueless because you think being on the ice for goals for involves defense.

Guess Tyler Myers is better defensively than Jake Sanderson too by your plus minute relative to team nonsense

Tim at 5 on 5

Better xGA/60 and xGF/60
Better GA/60 and GF/60
Better HDCA/60 and HDCF/60
Better SA/60 and SF/60

Sanderson is not playing as well this year, so no argument.

 

[Regal]

Tim at 5 on 5

Better xGA/60 and xGF/60
Better GA/60 and GF/60
Better HDCA/60 and HDCF/60
Better SA/60 and SF/60

Sanderson is not playing as well this year, so no argument.

Now you’re actually using real stats. Like I said in the initial post to you, Stutzle’s numbers are good this year and better than Pettersson’s. Though it’s only 30 games and they’ve never been at this level before so we’ll see how then end up.

It doesn’t mean using plus minus means anything, because Pettersson’s defensive numbers are also good, but his offensive ones aren’t, and he’s been in for empty net situations, which have combined to tank his plus minus

 

[Sens9292]

Now you’re actually using real stats. Like I said in the initial post to you, Stutzle’s numbers are good this year and better than Pettersson’s. Though it’s only 30 games and they’ve never been at this level before so we’ll see how then end up.

It doesn’t mean using plus minus means anything, because Pettersson’s defensive numbers are also good, but his offensive ones aren’t, and he’s been in for empty net situations, which have combined to tank his plus minus

It’s unheard of for a 20-21 year old to continue improving on raw skills.

 

[Regal]

It’s unheard of for a 20-21 year old to continue improving on raw skills.

Yea “let’s see how they end up” totally means I think he can’t keep it up at all.

 

[Xspyrit]

Classic HF all these posters will go back into their hiding hole when pettersson ends the season with more points than stutzle while also being better defensively.

I predict this narrative will start changing

Daily Faceoff’s 2024-25 first quarter NHL Award winners

Kaprizov, Makar and Hellebuyck get the most love from our seven-voter panel.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

Selke Trophy: Sam Reinhart (Florida Panthers)​

Finalists: Nico Hischier (New Jersey Devils), Aleksander Barkov (Florida Panthers)
Other Votes: Jordan Staal, Anthony Cirelli, Mitch Marner, Alex Tuch, Adam Lowry, Tim Stutzle, Leon Draisaitl, Phillip Danault, Claude Giroux, Jack Hughes, Logan O’Connor

 

[Golden_Jet]

I predict this narrative will start changing

Daily Faceoff’s 2024-25 first quarter NHL Award winners

Kaprizov, Makar and Hellebuyck get the most love from our seven-voter panel.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

Selke Trophy: Sam Reinhart (Florida Panthers)​

Finalists: Nico Hischier (New Jersey Devils), Aleksander Barkov (Florida Panthers)
Other Votes: Jordan Staal, Anthony Cirelli, Mitch Marner, Alex Tuch, Adam Lowry, Tim Stutzle, Leon Draisaitl, Phillip Danault, Claude Giroux, Jack Hughes, Logan O’Connor

Also Chabot for Norris, under “other votes”.

 

[Breakers]

Dude brings up plus minus for defensive ability

LOLOLOLOL

 

[Golden_Jet]

Dude brings up plus minus for defensive ability

LOLOLOLOL

It was brought up in reference against their OWN teammates lol.

One player ranked 16th against his OWN forwards on the team. (Not the best)

One player ranked first against his OWN forwards on the team.

 

[Breakers]

It was brought up in reference against their OWN teammates lol.

One player ranked 16th against his OWN forwards on the team. (Not the best)

One player ranked first against his OWN forwards on the team.

You just proved my point

LoLOL

 

[Xspyrit]

You just proved my point

LoLOL

Not saying that it is something I really look for but what the poster is talking about is basically GF%rel (Goals for percentage relative to team’s GF% with player not on-ice). It doesn't reveal a lot on defensive play but it's an advanced metric nonetheless (that looks at both sides of the puck)