PuckMunchkin
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JTs body language involved him dragging his feet behind the play after turning the puck over and resulted in goals against. Directly.
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The meme was just a total invention of a notion that people are unwilling to accept an injury might affect a player's play. Which is what you do. Dishonest arguing, attacking strawmen.
I haven't exaggerated about anything.
Again : minor injury turns a 110-point player into an 80-point player : whatever. Minor injury turns a player from a 110-point player into a pretty much useless bottom-6 C who hasn't scored an ES goal in nearly half a season : not acceptable.
And abso-f***ing-lutely I take issue with posters like Puckmunchkin who are attempting to frame this situation as entirely normal and entirely caused by an injury, and are unwilling to hear any criticism.
Pointing out a minor injury is not the same thing as using it to totally excuse a half-season of catastrophic play, which is what some of you are doing.
Linemates are not an excuse or a reason or anything. It's obvious to anyone that has eyes that his performances are nowhere near their normal levels. And he's stunk with good linemates, too.
What the hell kind of ridiculous nonsense is this? And you're saying I exaggerate?
I've said a million times that obviously injuries can affect a player's play. Nobody has ever said otherwise.
My reactions are to people who are saying that he shouldn't be criticized because he was/is hurt. And that's total BS, and I've explained why extensively in the parts of my posts that you chop out and ignore so you can focus on attacking me personally.
And, like, f***. I made a nothing comment in a game summary post about how it would have been nice to see him start off well in the preseason after the way last season finished and I had people jumping down my throat. If you even slightly question EP's compete level or character you've basically got 5 people instantly attacking you because HE WAS HURT or HOW DARE YOU or whatever. It's absolutely crazy compared the the way this fanbase reacted to JT Miller when he had a much smaller window of much less terrible play when some character issues bubbled to the surface.
The diva comments were in reference to his handling of his contract situation last year, and I struggle to see how anyone neutral could take issue with them. If going on a boat cruise with Elliotte Friedman and announcing that you're not sure if the Vancouver Canucks are good enough for you to re-sign with and then backing that up with his ridiculous behaviour/interviews all year isn't diva behaviour, I honestly don't know what is.
Puckmunchkin absolutely crucified him for it and hasn't shut up about it for two years since.
And while their reaction was comically over-the-top, the reasonable criticism of it was totally fair. As a member of our core leadership group wearing an A, JT Miller shouldn't be acting like a total spaz. And as a member of our core leadership group wearing an A, Elias Pettersson shouldn't look like he's moping around the ice like his dog just died. It's their f***ing job to be professional and project leadership and confidence.
agreed with seeing a sports psycohologist. the body language the "injury" might as well sit out and let someone contribute. right now hes being paid 11.6/year to be the engine on the offense but it hasn't worked out since dating back to last year +playoffs. He had "all summer to train and rehab and get ready from day 1 of training camp. yet here we are 4 games in hes still a ghost. i remember or read that nathan mackinnion did the same thing his numbers dipped the year prior then he went to a sports psychologist to sort out whatever "issues" was bothering him and he went On an absolute tear the following year and continued ever since.
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PuckMunchkin
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Every NHL regular needs a sports psychologist.
Not having one is like not having a trainer setup your summer training regime.
"Elias Pettersson" and his "injury" should have been "diagnosed" properly by the "Canucks medical staff" and they should have made the call for "him."agreed with seeing a sports psycohologist. the body language the "injury" might as well sit out and let someone contribute. right now hes being paid 11.6/year to be the engine on the offense but it hasn't worked out since dating back to last year +playoffs. He had "all summer to train and rehab and get ready from day 1 of training camp. yet here we are 4 games in hes still a ghost. i remember or read that nathan mackinnion did the same thing his numbers dipped the year prior then he went to a sports psychologist to sort out whatever "issues" was bothering him and he went On an absolute tear the following year and continued ever since.
The Secret to Nathan MacKinnon's Success - CEP Mindset
Nathan MacKinnon was the first overall pick in the 2013 NHL draft.In his first year with the Colorado Avalanche he: Put up 63 points in 82 regular season games - rounding out to 0.77 points per
- May 3, 2021
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agreed with seeing a sports psycohologist. the body language the "injury" might as well sit out and let someone contribute. right now hes being paid 11.6/year to be the engine on the offense but it hasn't worked out since dating back to last year +playoffs. He had "all summer to train and rehab and get ready from day 1 of training camp. yet here we are 4 games in hes still a ghost. i remember or read that nathan mackinnion did the same thing his numbers dipped the year prior then he went to a sports psychologist to sort out whatever "issues" was bothering him and he went On an absolute tear the following year and continued ever since.
The Secret to Nathan MacKinnon's Success - CEP Mindset
Nathan MacKinnon was the first overall pick in the 2013 NHL draft.In his first year with the Colorado Avalanche he: Put up 63 points in 82 regular season games - rounding out to 0.77 points per
MarkusNaslund19
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Dude, why is Petey's sudden struggles making you so hysterical with hyperbole.
Yes, the worst relative to salary and expectation in team history. Looking at salary Loui Eriksson made like 1.3 million less to do absolutely nothing.
And expectations? Paging Todd Bertuzzi or Dan Cloutier year after year in the playoffs.
MarkusNaslund19
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Holy shit is this ever tacky.
Hurr durr two people losing a parent is exactly the same because surely there can't be differing degrees of closeness, or differing circumstances (like watching your father wither away over several years and feelings trapped by the game you're paid to play so you can't spend his last moments with him). This is f***ing gross. They aren't automatons out there to entertain you, they are human beings.
And your take on Petey will go down like your take on Boeser did. Another thing you're wrong about but will take zero accountability for, like Edler too.
You're on a rough streak because you've typically been a for more cerebral poster than this.
Imagine a fan of a team defending a star player when they struggle instead of whining that he 'doesn't care' like you do from your couch, and then making knee jerk posts about trading all of our stars when they have a few bad games.
This place is addicted to negativity. Quell Surprise that the negativity wasn't just about Benning. It's a pathological need to see the negative in everything that permeates this board with some prominent posters who follow their 'favorite sport' in a way that makes me really question how happy they are in life in general.
Peter Griffin
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It’s not just defending, it’s the inability to critique or see anything negative in a particular player’s game which has been present for multiple stretches, and for multiple times in his career.
Also I’ve never suggested he “doesn’t care” or made knee jerk posts about trading him, but I have suggested that if his struggles continue it’s something that the team needs to at least explore.
Aren’t you a counsellor? Mr Wannabe psychologist? Go get your PH.D first before you start analyzing poster’s personal mental health from a message board. Stick to your “talk therapy”.
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If I am not mistaken, @MarkusNaslund19 was a staunch defender of the Benning regime and also hated all the negativity at that time, so he really shouldn’t be an authority on any of this.
lol, this is such a massive strawman, and is quite obviously not what is happening.
For whatever reason, you have been overly sensitive to Pettersson criticism and that seems to be clouding your judgment.
Again, this is a strawman. No one is saying he has to play as well as Draisaitl. During the playoffs posters were excusing Pettersson’s abysmal play as entirely or partly as a result of injury, and Drasaitl was such an obvious example of why this wasn’t necessarily true since we all literally witnessed this example. The point was never that Pettersson could or needed to play to that level, only that star players can and frequently do play through injuries and can and frequently do get far better results relative to their health play than Pettersson was able to.
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All right people need to relax a little. Unless you actively want Petterson to fail, you’re on the same side as the rest of the posters here, and it would do everyone some good to remember that before getting caught up in their next post.
Petey clearly has something going on between his ears, and it’s been a recurrent issue dating back to that weird start to the 2022 season. Someone needs to snap him out of it (or get him help from a sports psychologist), but we could probably do better than calling him a diva & other sorts of names.
Also blaming this on injury at this point is a bit facetious. Knee tendinitis, unless it’s progressed at an abnormal rate, isn’t going to stop a 25 year old from competing professionally (source: my wife’s a doctor).
Petey clearly has something going on between his ears, and it’s been a recurrent issue dating back to that weird start to the 2022 season. Someone needs to snap him out of it (or get him help from a sports psychologist), but we could probably do better than calling him a diva & other sorts of names.
Also blaming this on injury at this point is a bit facetious. Knee tendinitis, unless it’s progressed at an abnormal rate, isn’t going to stop a 25 year old from competing professionally (source: my wife’s a doctor).
Posting this is in this thread, because a poster told me, how quickly we forget EP was a 100 point player 2 seasons ago with Kuzmenko and Mikheyev lol....
Why would I care about 2 years ago? 4 years ago he had 18 points in 17 playoff games. Should we clap our hands for him?
Why not look at the fact our $11 million centerman ended last season with 6 goals and 17 points in 27 games, then had 6 points and 1 goal in 13 playoff games. He should be motivated to come out blazing this season, but has 1 point in 4 games.
In summary our $11 million centerman has 24 points and 7 goals in his last 44 games (a 13 goal, 44 point pace over 82 games). You think that's a small sample size? It's more than a half season worth of games. EP is not free from criticism, especially at this point.
Why would I care about 2 years ago? 4 years ago he had 18 points in 17 playoff games. Should we clap our hands for him?
Why not look at the fact our $11 million centerman ended last season with 6 goals and 17 points in 27 games, then had 6 points and 1 goal in 13 playoff games. He should be motivated to come out blazing this season, but has 1 point in 4 games.
In summary our $11 million centerman has 24 points and 7 goals in his last 44 games (a 13 goal, 44 point pace over 82 games). You think that's a small sample size? It's more than a half season worth of games. EP is not free from criticism, especially at this point.
Peter Griffin
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Yea it really seems like he has an issue dealing with adversity. He himself wasn’t ready to blame any injury on his struggles yet random fans on the internet are quick to wave that banner for him. It’s bizarre.
It’s funny because in todays day in age mental health is far better understood, and the consequences of mental health are more openly accepted, but you have a group of posters on here that seem relatively unwilling to accept that Pettersson’s mental health be a large contributor to his struggles.
Hollywood Burrows
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I only really watch the canucks when They're losing or playing bad, so I didn't see much of Pettersson when he was playing well in 2023. But when I watch him now he just looks so slow and weak. He still gets knocked down constantly. He loses battles everywhere. He looks fatigued early in his shifts. Obviously his confidence is completely shot. To me the confidence problem is just the result of not being physically able to do what he used to do.
I just don't think he works out hard enough. I'm not seeing the same physical progression that you see from other top players. Think about the twins in year 7 of their careers vs year 1. Now, I admit I longer follow the canucks closely enough to have seen any pictures of him that would give me an idea of how his physique is progressing. Training camp stuff, etc. I am asking to see them, if they exist! If anyone can point me to visual or other evidence I would love to see it. But when I see him looking physically overmatched AND lacking in speed and quickness I'm not sure what other conclusion you can reach.
It's sad because I actually want him to succeed! I can't really say that about the rest of this terrible, unlikeable collection of bums
I just don't think he works out hard enough. I'm not seeing the same physical progression that you see from other top players. Think about the twins in year 7 of their careers vs year 1. Now, I admit I longer follow the canucks closely enough to have seen any pictures of him that would give me an idea of how his physique is progressing. Training camp stuff, etc. I am asking to see them, if they exist! If anyone can point me to visual or other evidence I would love to see it. But when I see him looking physically overmatched AND lacking in speed and quickness I'm not sure what other conclusion you can reach.
It's sad because I actually want him to succeed! I can't really say that about the rest of this terrible, unlikeable collection of bums
