Player Discussion Elias Pettersson Talk | Also Chiropractors, the Medical Staff, and You

[MS]

Yes. We know already that this is something you are incompetent to comment on.

We all know. You can now stop.

Or

You can educate your self on his type of injury.

You are incompetent to comment on this because you're so blinded by your biases.

You've decided that the team, the coaches, and the medical staff (and the player himself who hasn't really used this as an excuse) are all a bunch of f***ing morons who got everything wrong and that you, with zero actual information a half a world away are the genius keyboard MD expert who knows exactly what's happening. It's absurd.

You have zero evidence that this is a serious injury. You have zero evidence that the staff mishandled it. You're basically just inventing all of this out of your own ass because you can't accept that your favourite player might have significant flaws that are hurting this team.

I know what knee tendinitis is. I also know that knee tendinitis doesn't get to excuse 40+ games of hockey at this level. Doubly so when the player has done this exact same before when not injured.

Wtf... so you are critical of Boesers 2023-24 season too... this is wild.

But at least its here for everyone to see now.

Jesus Christ, man.

I didn't present any opinion of Boeser's 23-24 season. I said that *the team's actual bloody GM* literally called out Boeser's compete level for the final 30+ games of the season. Said he got complacent. Said he should have got to 50 goals.

If the Vancouver Canucks and their management think that Boeser had a compete problem during his 40-goal career year, isn't it possible that *maybe* the people criticizing his compete level when he was sucking ass to 20-goal seasons had a point?

 

[PuckMunchkin]

You are incompetent to comment on this because you're so blinded by your biases.

Its your bias or ignorance

You've decided that the team, the coaches, and the medical staff (and the player himself who hasn't really used this as an excuse) are all a bunch of f***ing morons who got everything wrong and that you, with zero actual information a half a world away are the genius keyboard MD expert who knows exactly what's happening. It's absurd.

The medical staff is obvioisly ass. You are probably the last person on the planet unaware of this.

They are the once informing coaches and advicing Pettersson.

UNDERSTAND THIS NEXT PART NOW. REPEAT IT 15 TIMES IF YOU NEED TO:

HOCKEY PLAYERS WILL ATTEMPT TO PLAY THROUGH ALL INJURIES IF GIVEN THE GO BY THE MANAGEMENT THE COACH AND THE MEDICAL STAFF.

You have zero evidence that this is a serious injury. You have zero evidence that the staff mishandled it. You're basically just inventing all of this out of your own ass because you can't accept that your favourite player might have significant flaws that are hurting this team.

I know what knee tendinitis is. I also know that knee tendinitis doesn't get to excuse 40+ games of hockey at this level. Doubly so when the player has done this exact same before when not injured.

Unless he had MS's magical alternative knee tendinitis we know perfectly well how his injury progressed.

Maybe he had your special version of tendinitis? Magic tendinitis that feels yummy and neat.

Jesus Christ, man.

I didn't present any opinion of Boeser's 23-24 season. I said that *the team's actual bloody GM* literally called out Boeser's compete level for the final 30+ games of the season. Said he got complacent. Said he should have got to 50 goals.

If the Vancouver Canucks and their management think that Boeser had a compete problem during his 40-goal career year, isn't it possible that *maybe* the people criticizing his compete level when he was sucking ass to 20-goal seasons had a point?

Only reason you view Alvins comment like that is because of your burning hatred of the player.

He is pushing Boeser and also setting up for the contract negotiation.

Seriously.

For once in your life admit when you get shit wrong.

Boesers situation at home and his injuries is what OBVIOUSLY caused his head not to be right. Situation at home came to a unfortunate conclusion and whopsie daisie Boeser is back on track as a 1st line player.

You wanted to dismiss that fact for years.

 

[Kryten]

The sooner we get this thread to 1000 posts the sooner Petey changes back to his dominant self

 

[MS]

Its your bias or ignorance

The medical staff is obvioisly ass. You are probably the last person on the planet unaware of this.

They are the once informing coaches and advicing Pettersson.

UNDERSTAND THIS NEXT PART NOW. REPEAT IT 15 TIMES IF YOU NEED TO:

HOCKEY PLAYERS WILL ATTEMPT TO PLAY THROUGH ALL INJURIES IF GIVEN THE GO BY THE MANAGEMENT THE COACH AND THE MEDICAL STAFF.

Unless he had MS's magical alternative knee tendinitis we know perfectly well how his injury progressed.

Maybe he had your special version of tendinitis? Magic tendinitis that feels yummy and neat.

Dude, take a pill.

You don't know shit about what happened and you're inventing scenarios with zero evidence to try and excuse the play of Pettersson.

Only reason you view Alvins comment like that is because of your burning hatred of the player.

He is pushing Boeser and also setting up for the contract negotiation.

Seriously.

For once in your life admit when you get shit wrong.

Boesers situation at home and his injuries is what OBVIOUSLY caused his head not to be right. Situation at home came to a unfortunate conclusion and whopsie daisie Boeser is back on track as a 1st line player.

You wanted to dismiss that fact for years.

Why was his head not right for the last 30 games of last year, to the extent he was called out by the GM for it?

Why do they feel the need to 'push' Boeser?

Like, f*** me. This is elementary stuff.

Boeser has compete level issues. He had them when he was sucking, and he still had them last year when he 'got complacent' after his good start.

 

[Hodgy]

I know.

I work in physio.

Ive worked with finnish NHL players.

Ive workd with people with all sorts of tendinitis.

Maybe he had magick tendinitis that behaves differently? I see no reason to believe that. Quite the opposite. His skating stride looked labored. His first steps slower.

MS wants to atribute this to Pettersson not caring. To me that is highly unlikely. Those personalities dont make it to the NHL.

You don't know though. That's the reality. I could sit here and pretend to know because I actually have diagnosed patellar tendinitis with MRIs to prove it. But the reality is, I don't know either. Because everyone is affected differently by different injuries, and each injury is unique in and of itself. And in the case of patellar tendinitis, it is an injury that widely differs in severity and symptoms. So you can't draw conclusions just given the fact Pettersson has patellar tendinitis since we have no idea what his symptoms are.

 

[Slapshot_11]

The guy f***ing sucks and needs to be traded

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

MS and Munchkin sittin in a tree

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Dude, take a pill.

You don't know shit about what happened and you're inventing scenarios with zero evidence to try and excuse the play of Pettersson.

Reason. Cause and effect.

Not excuse.

Just more bias from you. Everything is colored by your weird hatred of these players.

What is it about them you dont like?

Just because you dont like EP you are willing to invent a new version of patellar tendinitis that does what you want so your narrative of Evil Elias stays intact.

Why was his head not right for the last 30 games of last year, to the extent he was called out by the GM for it?

He played fine those 30 games.

Players play fluctuates. Im sure you know this.

But your bias... you need to be right... sigh.

Again why do you hate these people so?

Why do they feel the need to 'push' Boeser?

Like, f*** me. This is elementary stuff.

Boeser has compete level issues. He had them when he was sucking, and he still had them last year when he 'got complacent' after his good start.

This is bias.

Where does it come from?

Its insane what levels of mental gymnastics you are ready to go through to avoid admitting you were wrong.

You don't know though. That's the reality. I could sit here and pretend to know because I actually have diagnosed patellar tendinitis with MRIs to prove it. But the reality is, I don't know either. Because everyone is affected differently by different injuries, and each injury is unique in and of itself. And in the case of patellar tendinitis, it is an injury that widely differs in severity and symptoms. So you can't draw conclusions just given the fact Pettersson has patellar tendinitis since we have no idea what his symptoms are.

What reason do we have to believe his patellar tendinitis was different from normal?

What points to him having the normal symptoms? His play on the ice.

 

[MS]

Reason.

Not excuse.

Just more bias from you. Everything is colored by your weird hatred of these players.

What is it about them you dont like?

He played fine those 30 games.

Players play fluctuates. Im sure you know this.

But your bias... you need to be right... sigh.

Again why do you hate these people so?

I don't hate either player. I quite like Boeser as a person and always have.

However, when you're getting a massive contract as a pro athlete, the basic expectation is that you show up and compete no matter what. And when players don't do that, they get criticized. Again, this is simple stuff. Jacob Markstrom's father died in the middle of an NHL season and he stayed focused and had the best year of his career. Do your f***ing job.

Pettersson I don't like as a person (but definitely not 'hate') because he's spent most of the last 4 years either playing like absolute shit or being a diva holding the city to ransom about whether the team was good enough for him to stay. I'm sick of his high-maintenance bullshit. He's used up any benefit of the doubt when he has a stretch like this and is basically the boy who cried wolf at this point.

This is bias.

Where does it come from?

Its insane what levels of mental gymnastics you are ready to go through to avoid admitting you were wrong.

You're describing yourself here.

Again : the GM of the Vancouver Canucks openly called out Boeser's compete level during his 40-goal season. Issues with Boeser's compete level weren't some magic fantasy that people just made up when he was playing far worse. Criticisms of his compete level when he was playing like garbage for 3 out of 4 seasons were totally valid.

Tocchet did a brilliant job getting Boeser turned around and competing last year ... and even then, his play fell off because he got complacent again after some success. It will probably be an ongoing thing for his whole career to try and keep him engaged to get the best out of him.

 

[Hodgy]

What reason do we have to believe his patellar tendinitis was different from normal?

What points to him having the normal symptoms? His play on the ice.

What is “normal”? Again, there is wide range in terms of severity of patellar tendinitis and I have no idea why you think he necessarily has a severe case. Again, I was literally just talking to a doctor today who made an off the cuff comment about how lots of people probably have patellar tendinitis but don’t even know it.

 

[Bankerguy]

i'd be okay if they traded him.

Who needs a "No.1 center" ? Which team sucks and needs a change?
Buffalo aint doin much lately...maybe they need a change.
Cozens + Samuelsson ? salary is a wash, Cozens had a bit of a rough last year but is young. Samuelsson is stuck behind other left D like Byram, Powers, Dhalin etc. but he is cost controlled and has the size our coaching staff likes. he's a sold no.4 imo.

See ya Petey!

 

[Ernie]

What is “normal”? Again, there is wide range in terms of severity of patellar tendinitis and I have no idea why you think he necessarily has a severe case. Again, I was literally just talking to a doctor today who made an off the cuff comment about how lots of people probably have patellar tendinitis but don’t even know it.

I don't know why this is still going on when he said a the beginning of the season it's not an issue.

 

[Peter Griffin]

PuckMunchkin is defending Pettersson in this thread more than his own mom probably would.

 

[Bobby9]

Wait.

So the medical doctors, management that spends time with the players and the player himself said it was a minor injury.

But PM says they’re all wrong and she’s right and everybody else is misguided?

Sounds about right.

 

[LemonSauceD]

If the last 2 games were anything, I think we’ll eventually see Petey start coming back to life again. The question is for how long until his next drought if and when he gets out of his current one.

 

[Coffee]

If the last 2 games were anything, I think we’ll eventually see Petey start coming back to life again. The question is for how long until his next drought if and when he gets out of his current one.

He’s definitely looking more like himself these last couple of games.

 

[mriswith]

Summary of the last couple pages:

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Summary of the last couple pages:

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Wait.

So the medical doctors, management that spends time with the players and the player himself said it was a minor injury.

But PM says they’re all wrong and she’s right and everybody else is misguided?

Sounds about right.

 

[MS]

Summary of the last couple pages:

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You can't honestly be reading this thread and think this is what people are saying, right?

 

[mriswith]

You can't honestly be reading this thread and think this is what people are saying, right?

It's just as serious of a post as your post about the bar for injured EP being an injured Draisatl, probably the best player in the last decade at still being elite while injured.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

It’s funny seeing a bunch of stats watcher flaming him after the Florida game

 

[MS]

It's just as serious of a post as your post about the bar for injured EP being an injured Draisatl, probably the best player in the last decade at still being elite while injured.

I’ve mentioned lots of players who play injured, not just Draisaitl. JT Miller is clearly hurt right now, missed the whole preseason, has strapping visible all over his shoulder/neck area ... but has come out and played and contributed and produced to start the season. The Sedins played hurt all the time and produced. Brock Boeser got banged up in the last week of last year and was sat for game 82 because he was hurt ... and then came out and lit it up in the playoffs.

Nobody is saying you have to be at your 100% peak best all the time. Obviously there are ebbs and flows. If Pettersson's 'max' is 110 points/82 GP and he has an issue (of whatever sort) to create 40-game segment where he scores 38 or 42 points or something instead of 55 ... nobody is going to be too f***ed off about that, as long as he's going out there and competing and doing the right things with the right body language.

But, again, this is a big boy league and you can't have a minor 'no games missed' injury - that neither the club nor the player have framed as anything remotely significant - and turn from a 110-point player into a 40-point player who looks like his dog just died. You can't be an $11.6 million player with 1 ES goal in 42 games. That isn't acceptable. And trying to frame it as acceptable is just not understanding the standards and expectations of the sport. If every other star player is capable of playing through stuff like this and you turn into an absolute useless pumpkin, you're a soft player. And you should be criticized for that if you can't actually show up when your team needs you because of something minor like this.

And again, for the umpteenth time : THIS HAS HAPPENED TWICE BEFORE WHEN HE WASN'T HURT. This isn't some crazy new thing that we've never seen before from this guy.

 

[mriswith]

And again, for the umpteenth time : THIS HAS HAPPENED TWICE BEFORE WHEN HE WASN'T HURT. This isn't some crazy new thing that we've never seen before from this guy.

Literally the first time it happened there was the exact same amount of outrage and huffing and puffing and claiming he was fake injured and petulant whining about how this scandinavian player doesn't emote properly and it turned out the injury was 100% legit.

You've been extrapolating and speculating for years about his emotions and thoughts from fragments of tea leaves from incredibly generic hockey answers that every player says to the point where you convinced yourself that all of your wild extrapolations were 100% truth and it's all coming home to roost as massive nerd rage now where this is literally what you're writing:

"This primadonna who looks like his dog died and wanted to walk/demanded a trade/held the franchise hostage DOESN'T HAVE THE RIGHT BODY LANGUAGE when he's slumping" - literally you

Just lmao.

I'll leave you with your own words.

You don't know shit about what happened and you're inventing scenarios with zero evidence

 

[MS]

Literally the first time it happened there was the exact same amount of outrage and huffing and puffing and claiming he was fake injured and petulant whining about how this scandinavian player doesn't emote properly and it turned out the injury was 100% legit.

You've been extrapolating and speculating for years about his emotions and thoughts from fragments of tea leaves from incredibly generic hockey answers that every player says to the point where you convinced yourself that all of your wild extrapolations were 100% truth and it's all coming home to roost as massive nerd rage now where this is literally what you're writing:

"This primadonna who looks like his dog died and wanted to walk/demanded a trade/held the franchise hostage DOESN'T HAVE THE RIGHT BODY LANGUAGE when he's slumping" - literally you

Just lmao.

I'll leave you with your own words.

I give up. You guys live in a fantasyland where a player can have a hangnail and play like shit for a year and it’s just totally ok.

And no, Pettersson was not hurt in 20-21 when he was playing like disinterested garbage (along with several other teammates) before jamming his wrist, nor in 21-22 when he somehow couldn’t move his feet a year after that minor wrist injury. And he’s not hurt in any significant way now in anyone’s mind but yours.

It’s also hilarious how the same people who LOST THEIR MINDS about JT Miller’s body language for a short period two years ago are now so offended when people call out their pet for his sad panda BS.

 

[mriswith]

I give up. You guys live in a fantasyland where a player can have a hangnail and play like shit for a year and it’s just totally ok.

Gimme a break. This is literally why I posted the meme, it is 100% you.

You can't stop yourself from wildly exaggerating constantly. No one said it's okay, you just can't handle it if someone deviates even the tiniest amount from the narrative you've built in your head.

Anyone concerned about his play is legit. Anyone pointing out he had garbage on both wings and was injured is legit. Anyone pointing out he's slumping is legit. Anyone pointing out he's slumped before is legit.

You on the other hand have been whining and playing the victim for weeks about how "not allowed to criticize EP" and "EP fanbois hug his nuts every time there's a hint of criticism" when almost every post about EP is very critical and it ranges from reasonable things like the above to you and Bobby9's borderline trolling. You literally get upset if there's even a hint of a post about something that might have had a factor on his play other than being a a wrong emoting diva.

It’s also hilarious how the same people who LOST THEIR MINDS about JT Miller’s body language for a short period two years ago are now so offended when people call out their pet for his sad panda BS

I never had a problem with JT's body language.