Player Discussion Elias Pettersson - Please, Be Civil

[mriswith]

Not understanding math would mean that I had actually seen the average velocity numbers. Where are you getting those? They aren't on the official NHL Edge stats webpage that I use.

Yes they are. Scroll down.

He's basically stopped doing PP one-time slappers which he used to fire high/wide constantly, to everyone's frustration. We know the team is trying for high-percentage shots and whether that change is coach or player-enforced I have no idea but it would definitely skew the numbers.

This is a super weak response and I am left seriously wondering if you've even been watching the games this season. It's been nothing but muffins this season and the one time he took a vintage wrist shot, he was out several games for injury literally minutes later.

 

[MS]

Yes they are. Scroll down.


This is a super weak response and I am left seriously wondering if you've even been watching the games this season. It's been nothing but muffins this season and the one time he took a vintage wrist shot, he was out several games for injury literally minutes later.

So they are. Useful.

I've watched 40/42 games, for the record.

What even is your narrative here? His poor play/poor shots are supposedly due to his knee tendonitis, but shooting a puck ... caused him an upper body injury? And that's somehow connected?

What I see from Pettersson re: shooting is that he's using his slapshot way less. I don't know why that is. I don't know if it's that he's hurt, or that the coaches have said not to and to focus on higher-percentage shots (we do see him ridiculous over-passing to set up 'perfect' plays when he does get in good situations), or that he's lost confidence in his slapshot, that he isn't getting into positions to use it, or if the PP just isn't designed the same way for it to be used as a weapon. Or some combination. Using your slapshot less will cause your average velocity to drop. When he's used his slapshot, it looks pretty normal to me. Velocity is normal.

And again, the notion that knee tendonitis would ruin his shot velocity when the wrist injury blamed for his 21-22 struggles had zero effect doesn't really line up or make sense.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

What I find strange is that Petterson actually went to management and said he wanted to stay, after all that happened.

This is the same guy that for years want the team to prove to him they are worthy of him, that even during the out of the blue division winning season has to be "threatened" with a trade to extend (all the while looking like he was miserable because somebody forced nearly $100m onto him).
It makes no sense to me, now that he has a "get out of jail free" card, he refuse to play it? Like sure he might get traded to Buffalo, but at least he won't get bullied there and, at least for this season, it's not like he is leaving a winning team anyways.

He had always made "playing for a winning team" such a key issue, yet now he has a chance to goto a better team potentially (that handshake deal with the team surely will give him some say), and he has already secured his bag, suddenly playing for a winner isn't so important anymore? I don't get this guy.

I really hope that Reddit guy is right and tendinitis takes a year to heal, because we are like right at the 1 year anniversary and we desperately need him to play at least like a $8m player, even if he can't get to the $11.6m level. I hate seeing these 2 (Petey and Miller) wasting a Hart worthy season from Hughes because they don't like each other.

 

[mriswith]

So they are. Useful.

I've watched 40/42 games, for the record.

What even is your narrative here? His poor play/poor shots are supposedly due to his knee tendonitis, but shooting a puck ... caused him an upper body injury? And that's somehow connected?

What I see from Pettersson re: shooting is that he's using his slapshot way less. I don't know why that is. I don't know if it's that he's hurt, or that the coaches have said not to and to focus on higher-percentage shots (we do see him ridiculous over-passing to set up 'perfect' plays when he does get in good situations), or that he's lost confidence in his slapshot, that he isn't getting into positions to use it, or if the PP just isn't designed the same way for it to be used as a weapon. Or some combination. Using your slapshot less will cause your average velocity to drop. When he's used his slapshot, it looks pretty normal to me. Velocity is normal.

And again, the notion that knee tendonitis would ruin his shot velocity when the wrist injury blamed for his 21-22 struggles had zero effect doesn't really line up or make sense.

What is my narrative? As I've told you many times now, unlike you I do not have a dogmatic opinion on the exact cause of his ongoing issues and I'm not trying to build a narrative,

Building a narrative is how you watch a player drop from the 91st percentile to the 50th percentile in shot velocity and end up posting "Absolute drivel!!! Zero sense!! His shot is just fine!!!" And believe the player shooting constant muffins was really in the 94th percentile for velocity of NHL'ers this year.

In fact this entire EP argument going back a year now started with you convincing everyone it was 100% in his head and me absolutely convinced that there's no way that's all there was to it and I find it amazing that a year later we got a public statement from the player confirming injury to the point of still screwing with his offseason, we have edge data showing that the top end of his skating and shooting is gone and apparently you're still totally convinced in the same opinion you had a year ago before all the new info came out.

I don't know why it's happening. I've never said it's okay either, he needs to figure it out. I just don't believe a player can completely lose the top end of two previously dominant physical attributes purely because of a lack of effort/compete while that player is defensively engaged, blocking shots and diving to break up plays. Even the stretches this year where people think he "turned it on" his physical attributes still looked the same, which is precisely why I posted in the middle of his heater with Miller out that I didn't expect it to last, and that has turned out to be backed up by the edge data.

 

[Icebreakers]

What I find strange is that Petterson actually went to management and said he wanted to stay, after all that happened.

This is the same guy that for years want the team to prove to him they are worthy of him, that even during the out of the blue division winning season has to be "threatened" with a trade to extend (all the while looking like he was miserable because somebody forced nearly $100m onto him).
It makes no sense to me, now that he has a "get out of jail free" card, he refuse to play it? Like sure he might get traded to Buffalo, but at least he won't get bullied there and, at least for this season, it's not like he is leaving a winning team anyways.

He had always made "playing for a winning team" such a key issue, yet now he has a chance to goto a better team potentially (that handshake deal with the team surely will give him some say), and he has already secured his bag, suddenly playing for a winner isn't so important anymore? I don't get this guy.

I really hope that Reddit guy is right and tendinitis takes a year to heal, because we are like right at the 1 year anniversary and we desperately need him to play at least like a $8m player, even if he can't get to the $11.6m level. I hate seeing these 2 (Petey and Miller) wasting a Hart worthy season from Hughes because they don't like each other.

Cause he knows hes not good anymore. If he goes to a "good" team hes gonna screw their chances up with his contract lol which will bring more negativity and pressure from the media.

 

[SoupNazi]

BE CIVIL!

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Pettersson spent two years basically telegraphing a Dubois/Tkachuk exit because he thought the team wasn't good enough for him and then even when we were suddenly 1st in the league only signed when they basically had to blackmail him with a trade threat. Calling him loyal is ... certainly something.

I like Miller but I certainly wouldn't ever pretend that he doesn't have major flaws or periods of poor play that are his own doing as a result of those flaws. But the pom-pom waiving some of you guys do for Pettersson is f***ing unbelievable. You guys are just inventing the reality that you want to exist with this player and are completely unable to accept that there might be significant flaws there no matter how many times he gets called out for them by the GM and coach.

You've basically created the divide on here with your constant Pettersson injury conspiracy theory campaigning.

Blaming other people of "inventing the reality they want to live in" when they refuse to live in the reality you've invented is really something else.