Player Discussion Elias Pettersson - Please, Be Civil

[Regal]

I've probably been the biggest Pettersson defender on these boards, but if his injury is still having this much of an effect after a year, this player should probably not be coming back next year if it's limiting his effectiveness to this level.

Yea I’ve been fairly critical of his play but still kind of holding out hope that the old Petey comes back at some point

 

[F A N]

So many of these players have inflated height and weight, especially in the minors. I'd be surprised if Pettersson is more than 160.

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I would be surprised if Petey isn’t at least 180lbs. Petey being skinny is old news.

 

[racerjoe]

I've probably been the biggest Pettersson defender on these boards, but if his injury is still having this much of an effect after a year, this player should probably not be coming back next year if it's limiting his effectiveness to this level.

I don’t think it’s injury, I think it’s recovery and lack of training. I think it’s why we have seen improvement, as the season has gone on, and IMO saw a bit of a step back after his actual injury.

 

[xtr3m]

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Like I said in the game day thread. If Pettersson thinks the pressure is intense now, if we do actually trade Miller, he better be ready. He's in for a very rude awakening if his performance doesn't improve.

 

[Kryten]

Like I said in the game day thread. If Pettersson thinks the pressure is intense now, if we do actually trade Miller, he better be ready. He's in for a very rude awakening if his performance doesn't improve.

Yea, trading Horvat, and likely Miller and Boeser. We really need him to produce like he has the skills to.

 

[rypper]

Pretty obviously isn't about points when there's talk about Miller being checked out.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Like I said in the game day thread. If Pettersson thinks the pressure is intense now, if we do actually trade Miller, he better be ready. He's in for a very rude awakening if his performance doesn't improve.

Why do you think this is about pressure?

Nhl crowds are mild compared to the crazyness in sweden. And he carried his team to the championship there as a teenager.

 

[Cancuks]

"Pettersson needs a winger"

 

[AzNightmare]

At this point, just holding out for 4 Nations. Maybe it'll spark something, like reverse All Star weekend from last year.

 

[Bobby9]

Yea I’ve been fairly critical of his play but still kind of holding out hope that the old Petey comes back at some point

This is the old Petey.

Fans are hyper focused on small windows where he plays amazing. The reality is this is who he is 75% of the time.

Pettersson should be thanking his lucky stars that most of the media attention is on Miller right now.

Miller's criticism is well deserved but man has Pettersson been invisible.

3 points in his last 11 games and a -5.

BUT BUT BUT he slid in front of a shot in Toronto

 

[Bobby9]

3 points in his last 12 games. Sick bro

Has anybody fired the medical staff?

 

[geebster]

This is the old Petey.

Fans are hyper focused on small windows where he plays amazing. The reality is this is who he is 75% of the time.

So if he plays at this level offensively 75% of the time... but is a point per game player over 445 games...

So you are saying.... he goes at 3.25 points per game 25% of the time (just did the math). Didn't know he had 111 games where he was better than McDavid + Draisaitl combined. That's definitely worth the money, I'm convinced.

(Obviously kidding you can't find 334 games from Pettersson where he produced at this low a rate, he's obviously in a deep slump that ISNT characteristic of 75% of his career, or he's the greatest player of all time by a margin when not slumping).

 

[Dirtyclapper]

So if he plays at this level offensively 75% of the time... but is a point per game player over 445 games...

So you are saying.... he goes at 3.25 points per game 25% of the time (just did the math). Didn't know he had 111 games where he was better than McDavid + Draisaitl combined. That's definitely worth the money, I'm convinced.

(Obviously kidding you can't find 334 games from Pettersson where he produced at this low a rate, he's obviously in a deep slump that ISNT characteristic of 75% of his career, or he's the greatest player of all time by a margin when not slumping).

Deep slump, it's coming up to a year soon

 

[Bleach Clean]

Moving this from the Fantasy GM Thread:

The 10 game absence was absolutely unprecedented in NHL history. The messaging around it was suspect from the very beginning - nothing more than an attempt to save face for the player and the team.

I agree, but then I still don't know if it was the team that insisted on the 10 games, Miller did, or a combination of both? Or if they crossed the Rubicon already? If there's a hint at reconciliation, I'd like to see it play out first by Miller's recommitment to the team.

I want to hear him say that he wants to stay.

I’m somewhat serious about trading both as I’m not overly attached to either at this point.

Miller is a great player but isn’t the type of leader in the room that propels teams, mostly just ends up dividing the room.

Pettersson can be a great player but I don’t think he has the mentality to lead a Stanley Cup winner. Complete opposite of Miller, no wonder these two don’t work.

Pettersson has been dogshit dating back to last year and the only reason he is being kept over JT is because of when he was born. Not exactly a ringing endorsement.

What happens when Miller is traded and Pettersson isn’t any better? That will be the worst part of this entire situation.

I’d be fine if both were traded. Cleanse the room. Cleanse the air.

I think it's personality and not age that keeps Pettersson here. He's not the bully.

Pettersson has had to hold his ground against Miller for 5 years. Horvat tried to do it and was traded. In 2024, JR-Allvin-Tocchet-Miller all tried to either call out or instigate Pettersson, via rumour or interview. And still this guy chooses to remain. Why does he do it? He's loyal.

This manager/coach/player all don't respect the severity of his injuries, to the point of calling out his preparation/calling him frail. The team is crap and they aren't winning. Their medical staff is a joke. And still he's committed. Lesser men would have told this organization to go fly a kite.

Give him the grace to get better with offseason training/healing. If he still isn't better, then look hard to seeing what can be done.

 

[MS]

Moving this from the Fantasy GM Thread:



I agree, but then I still don't know if it was the team that insisted on the 10 games, Miller did, or a combination of both? Or if they crossed the Rubicon already? If there's a hint at reconciliation, I'd like to see it play out first by Miller's recommitment to the team.

I want to hear him say that he wants to stay.



I think it's personality and not age that keeps Pettersson here. He's not the bully.

Pettersson has had to hold his ground against Miller for 5 years. Horvat tried to do it and was traded. In 2024, JR-Allvin-Tocchet-Miller all tried to either call out or instigate Pettersson, via rumour or interview. And still this guy chooses to remain. Why does he do it? He's loyal.

This manager/coach/player all don't respect the severity of his injuries, to the point of calling out his preparation/calling him frail. The team is crap and they aren't winning. Their medical staff is a joke. And still he's committed. Lesser men would have told this organization to go fly a kite.

Give him the grace to get better with offseason training/healing. If he still isn't better, then look hard to seeing what can be done.

Pettersson spent two years basically telegraphing a Dubois/Tkachuk exit because he thought the team wasn't good enough for him and then even when we were suddenly 1st in the league only signed when they basically had to blackmail him with a trade threat. Calling him loyal is ... certainly something.

I like Miller but I certainly wouldn't ever pretend that he doesn't have major flaws or periods of poor play that are his own doing as a result of those flaws. But the pom-pom waiving some of you guys do for Pettersson is f***ing unbelievable. You guys are just inventing the reality that you want to exist with this player and are completely unable to accept that there might be significant flaws there no matter how many times he gets called out for them by the GM and coach.

 

[arttk]

I've probably been the biggest Pettersson defender on these boards, but if his injury is still having this much of an effect after a year, this player should probably not be coming back next year if it's limiting his effectiveness to this level.

Some Redditor did some research and apparently tendonitis takes like a year to fully recover. Also apparently other teams in other leagues would instantly sit players out if they have it to prevent it from getting worse when it starts. Good to know our medical team is ass.

 

[Bleach Clean]

fair, but again we don't know what miller is saying in the background right now. pettersson's leaked to save face and i don't think miller cares what is leaked or not.

i'm just questioning the validity of most of this stuff because there is basically nothing factual out there, like normal but it has gone on long enough you'd think something that has actually happened would get out.

There's a lot that is being pieced together from rumours going back to when Horvat was here. If you want to take the position that 'nothing' factual, I think that is an unreasonable position to maintain.

This comment that "Pettersson leaked [wanting to stay] to save face", can you please explain it?

 

[andora]

There's a lot that is being pieced together from rumours going back to when Horvat was here. If you want to take the position that 'nothing' factual, I think that is an unreasonable position to maintain.

This comment that "Pettersson leaked [wanting to stay] to save face", can you please explain it?

I pettersson care about my image and dont want to deal with stuff.

Agent - lets get it out there you want to stay that will deflect from you.

Things being pieced together from rumors? Ok

 

[Bleach Clean]

Pettersson spent two years basically telegraphing a Dubois/Tkachuk exit because he thought the team wasn't good enough for him and then even when we were suddenly 1st in the league only signed when they basically had to blackmail him with a trade threat. Calling him loyal is ... certainly something.

I like Miller but I certainly wouldn't ever pretend that he doesn't have major flaws or periods of poor play that are his own doing as a result of those flaws. But the pom-pom waiving some of you guys do for Pettersson is f***ing unbelievable. You guys are just inventing the reality that you want to exist with this player and are completely unable to accept that there might be significant flaws there no matter how many times he gets called out for them by the GM and coach.

That narrative you've continued to push in the first paragraph will be well and truly addressed in the offseason. With you, in particular. I'm going to refrain from doing it here as it will surely derail this thread. Inventing reality... very rich indeed MS.

I don't have to be bullish on Pettersson to understand Miller is a bad character. One they've had to manage for 5 years here. That remains true regardless of what Pettersson does.

 

[MS]

Some Redditor did some research and apparently tendonitis takes like a year to fully recover. Also apparently other teams in other leagues would instantly sit players out if they have it to prevent it from getting worse when it starts. Good to know our medical team is ass.

Do you actually think that you and 'some guy from Reddit' know more about Pettersson's injury than the Canucks medical staff?

 

[Ernie]

Did MS recently have a thread ban expire or is he just returning to his unhealthy obsession?

All I know is that this thread is much, much better without him spamming it.

 

[MS]

That narrative you've continued to push in the first paragraph will be well and truly addressed in the offseason. With you, in particular. I'm going to refrain from doing it here as it will surely derail this thread. Inventing reality... very rich indeed MS.

I don't have to be bullish on Pettersson to understand Miller is a bad character. One they've had to manage for 5 years here. That remains true regardless of what Pettersson does.

Ah yes. Miller is an evil villain! Poor Pettersson trying his absolute best to deal with this horribleness and the injury that literally everyone denies exists. And so loyal!

Like f***ing hell, man. This guy has been called out for his compete level 4 or 5 times by the GM and coach of this team. It's a major problem.

Like I've said a few times : Miller is a hothead with a poor emotional filter which turns toxic when things aren't going well. Pettersson is a headcase who turns into a sulky pissbaby and stops competing when things aren't going well. Both have major character issues. One of them at least plays well when he's playing badly.

 

[MS]

Did MS recently have a thread ban expire or is he just returning to his unhealthy obsession?

All I know is that this thread is much, much better without him spamming it.

I was never threadbanned here. I've tried to avoid both of the Miller/Pettersson threads but the mods asked the discussion to be moved to this thread.

Sorry for asking questions you don't want to hear while you guys daydream about the Pettersson you want to have playing for this team instead of the one that actually does.

Cheers for the personal attack, as usual. It's always a nice confirmation that I'm right when those start coming from you.

 

[Bleach Clean]

I pettersson care about my image and dont want to deal with stuff.

Agent - lets get it out there you want to stay that will deflect from you.

Things being pieced together from rumors? Ok

Yes, ignore every bit of intel out there. Seems reasonable.

Pettersson has been playing badly for a year. May still continue to play poorly for the rest of the year. Maybe more. Do you really think him saying he wants to stay long-term on a losing club saves his face? For 8 years no less? He's going to get crucified regardless.

The best thing for Pettersson to do is to get out of the pressure cooker, away from the management and medical staff that doesn't respect his injuries, nagging or otherwise, or his stoic/reserved personality. Yet, he doesn't do it.

The guy actually choosing to vacate is the overt, old school, wear your heart on your sleeve 'leader' Miller... Where is the loyalty from this People's Champion? Why does he go?