Player Discussion Elias Pettersson - Please, Be Civil

[Hodgy]

Is there a documented case in NHL history of a player losing significant speed & shot power in the middle of a season without it being injury-related? Because that is essentially what you are claiming happened with Pettersson if you don't buy that he is injured.

Is he choosing not to skate or shoot hard? And he started choosing to do that about 20 games before signing the biggest contract of his life?

You can either use common sense, or you can believe that the Canucks are the unluckiest franchise in the history of the sport who had a player look elite for 400 games, and then turn off the switch (before signing a deal)

Seriously it's such a stupid theory.

So why was he skating so poorly during his last half season slump?

 

[crowfish]

So why was he skating so poorly during his last half season slump?

Because that is the exact timeline of when he said he was injured and his production fell off? What is your theory?

 

[Hodgy]

Because that is the exact timeline of when he said he was injured and his production fell off? What is your theory?

He had a minor wrist injury. Your theory is that this minor wrist injury caused him to skate poorly?

Look, I've said it a million times, but I am not claiming to definitively know. But anyone that thinks this is cut and dry and that an injury must be causing him to play poorly isn't looking at the evidence closely.

EDIT: To clarify, I am talking about his previous slump that was half a year long or so, not this current slump that began last year.

 

[Bobby9]

So now EP and Tocchet aren’t getting along? What a diva this dude is



https://x.com/sekeresandprice/status/1869424523533320631?s=46

 

[Bgav]

So now EP and Tocchet aren’t getting along? What a diva this dude is

why, because jeff pattersson said so? lmao

 

[Bobby9]

why, because jeff pattersson said so? lmao

Should I wait for somebody on the forums to say it?

 

[Bgav]

Should I wait for somebody on the forums to say it?

It would mean the same since it was him assuming.

 

[Bobby9]

It would mean the same since it was him assuming.

Which SME should I listen to? PuckMunchkin or AlainVigneaultsGut?

 

[Bgav]

Which SME should I listen to? PuckMunchkin or AlainVigneaultsGut?

Maybe don't take a clip and state it's a fact and call the player a diva. But you do you

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

None of the local media guy has any reliable source on this team ever since JR took over
They only get stuff that the management want them to know

Example? JT Miller absence

 

[racerjoe]

It's not just if it is minor or not, and whether you miss games. That's part of it. But the bigger more important part is that its a wrist injury. It wouldn't have stopped him from any skating training, or any real core training. So it just isn't reasonable to think it likely that his wrist injury caused him to skate poorly in his last slump. Debating exactly how minor his wrist injury was, when trying to figure out if it significantly affected his skating, is a waste of time. Its a moot point.

If we were talking about a knee injury, like his current injury, then for sure the severity of the injury is extremely important. But it just isn't the case when we are talking a wrist injury.

It couldn’t be like Hronek who had a shoulder surgery than got knee surgery? Or he’ll for all we know he could have had tendinitis then too and needed a rest…. And yes a wrist injury could theoretically keep him off skates in ways for him to be behind on his training.

 

[Hodgy]

It couldn’t be like Hronek who had a shoulder surgery than got knee surgery? Or he’ll for all we know he could have had tendinitis then too and needed a rest…. And yes a wrist injury could theoretically keep him off skates in ways for him to be behind on his training.

It couldn’t be like Hronek who had a shoulder surgery than got knee surgery? Or he’ll for all we know he could have had tendinitis then too and needed a rest…. And yes a wrist injury could theoretically keep him off skates in ways for him to be behind on his training.

Sure, any player playing poorly at any time could have an injury to excuse his performance. But there isn’t any evidence of that and it seems far fetched and grasping at straws to me.

 

[racerjoe]

Sure, any player playing poorly at any time could have an injury to excuse his performance. But there isn’t any evidence of that and it seems far fetched and grasping at straws to me.

Except there is two known injuries…

Also you took the wrong part of my point, but whatever.

 

[Hodgy]

Except there is two known injuries…

But not an injury that explains his poor skating in the first slump.

Also you took the wrong part of my point, but whatever.

What’s your point then? I thought you brought up Hronek to suggest that Pettersson, during his first slump, may have had a lower body injury in addition to the wrist injury. And my point is that any player at any time may have an injury, and that it comes off as grasping at straws when you suggest there is some phantom injury that no one knew of or reported on.