Player Discussion Elias Pettersson - Please, Be Civil

[Bobby9]

If he’s injured how come he launches his entire body and all his weight in to all his reverse hits?

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Yes, 100% he isn't skating very well. Just like in his last big slump.

I dont think thats true.

He has never looked like he has zero power in his stride. That is how he looks now. There is nothing in his stride.

Yep.

Its there for everyone to see.

And if your eyes dont show it for what ever reason Edge will help you out.

 

[mriswith]

Even when he's clearly working hard and having a decent game, he doesn't have his top end speed and he doesn't have his shot, and anyone who can't see it at this point is deliberately, wilfully, and in bad faith blind.

 

[racerjoe]

Saying someone fabricated something is calling them a liar and is a personal attack.

If he asked for a source, I didn't have one. That's fair. It's fair to take the comment with a grain of salt. It's fair to suggest that maybe I've mis-remembered part of it. It is not cool to just call someone a liar.



No, it doesn't.

He clearly wasn't signing here unless the team improved. He was laying the groundwork for a trade in the summer of 2023. I didn't like his attitude, but that that didn't mean that we didn't have to 'play ball' with him, essentially.




Again, the problem with this is that we've seen the same thing from him before in multiple different seasons.

If a poor stretch happened to Quinn Hughes next year after years of consistently outstanding play, he'd get a lot of rope. But Pettersson is the boy who cried wolf at this stage. 2021 and 2024 looked basically identical from him.

I think this has proven to be false.

Hughes would absolutely deserve a lot of rope, mvp like season this year. However he has previously had some inconsistencies. Pettersson had according to your math 3 straight good seasons, where he was strong (rough start to contract year than finished strong all the way until January). Besides Hughes in that time Miller has been much more inconsistent, and you did talk about it earlier when it was happening. Specifically I remember around when he was getting the bad rep for yelling at teammates. Now he had a rough start to the season and he gets more rope then Pettersson.

Now I say this not to say those players deserve more criticism, but to point out they get more rope, and have been as inconstant at times.

No one is perfect, Pettersson certainly has not been, but he deserves better than we have been treating him here, demanding he be traded and such. I can admit he hasn’t been good, I just think there is more to it than a malcontent player.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Even when he's clearly working hard and having a decent game, he doesn't have his top end speed and he doesn't have his shot, and anyone who can't see it at this point is deliberately, wilfully, and in bad faith blind.

Either he’s playing to through something or he’s never gonna recover from it

 

[Kryten]

Was he injured, was he sick, was he scared of Buffalo? Find out next time on Dragonball C

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Was he injured, was he sick, was he scared of Buffalo? Find out next time on Dragonball C

100% hewth!

 

[kanucks25]

Step in the right direction vs Colorado.

Looked more assertive and decisive.

Hope he can build on this.

 

[ChuckNorris4Cup]

I read some posters were looking for stats for Pettersson in his earlier slump this season and arguments about how he wasn't slower or something a long those lines. I read this stat earlier in the season, as for those numbers now I'm not sure, but this was after the first 9 games of the season, but enjoying the conversations between a couple posters here.

Last season, Pettersson clocked a season-high skating speed of 22.4 miles per hour and registered 111 bursts over 20 mph including three over 22 mph. His hardest shot was 97.67 miles per hour, with 15 of them topping 90 mph mark. Compare that to the first nine games of this season when Pettersson's top skating speed was measured at 21.7 mph and his hardest shot has been 82.9 mph - the only shot over 80 so far this -

 

[ChuckNorris4Cup]

Oh and regarding Garland still a great player, but regarding stats.

4 points in last 8 games

14 points in last 15 games

 

[JT Milker]

Good talk.

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Going back to the double standards here.

When Petey struggled in 2021 there were a myriad of mental factors. We were still in the midst/emerging from covid lockdowns, the team was in a poisonous place, and Petey seemed to escape mentally into social media in a way that he admitted later was a problem and required refocus.

You know when people tend to escape excessively into diversions in a way that doesn't serve them? Quite often it's as a way of escaping intolerable emotions, or as self medication. So think, depression, anxiety, etc.

To me, Petey's a small town kid from Sweden who was suddenly alone on the other side of the world while we went through a terrifying pandemic and he was isolated from everyone he loves. I think he struggled, probably didn't train hard enough, and hence he wasn't fully there mentally, and his fitness wasn't up to snuff.

So to me, it's not a gotcha to note that his skating wasn't great before he hurt his wrist that year.

And surely all of those who are patient with J.T.'s mental health will afford the same consideration to Petey when he went through that right? What's that? They won't? It runs contrary to their, 'he's a dumb p***y who doesn't care' narrative? Well God forbid they have to lose their searing hatred for one of the best players we have ever had.

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This doesn't look like that. He has no bounce in his stride (as edge stats illuminate) but he's working his bag off and doing a lot of good work defensively and finding a way to produce in the last month.

I'm really, really confused by those who seem to WANT the problem to be that he's some sort of unemployable bum with oppositional defiant disorder who just doesn't care because he's bad and smelly.

Like is this really your relationship with your hobby?


Are you serious?

Alex Mogilny post 1996 was the player that you seem to think Petey is, and I say that as a Mogilny fanboy.

Todd Bertuzzi would be another, but I guess since he's yelly and fighty it doesn't count?

You’re picking and choosing unverifiable information that aligns to your opinions and then trying to validate it by flaunting your education. Frankly it makes you look silly or like a liar.

 

[Freakshow]

Petey had a good game last night, he was fully engaged, which I don’t find he is every night. If this team is going to be successful they need very good top two centers.

 

[Pogotheclown]

He´s been great in own zone.

I think his problem is that he´s gained som weight/muscles and lost a bit of his step.
He will work it out and come out stronger and faster with a bit of time. Show some patience.

 

[bossram]

If he’s injured how come he launches his entire body and all his weight in to all his reverse hits?

If only people in this thread had been explaining this 1000 times, but you continually argue the most low-IQ things in bad faith.

He´s been great in own zone.

I think his problem is that he´s gained som weight/muscles and lost a bit of his step.
He will work it out and come out stronger and faster with a bit of time. Show some patience.

It's not the weight. It's the lingering knee injury that is preventing his skating pop.

Step in the right direction vs Colorado.

Looked more assertive and decisive.

Hope he can build on this.

By eye, was an elite two-way effort from him. Just wasn't rewarded with any points.

 

[Bobby9]

Oh..so no answers and just more made up reasons. Got it.