Player Discussion Elias Lindholm

[Nona Di Giuseppe]

If they keep the lotto line together, i really hope that dont put Suter on his LW.
Suter as the 4c would be INSANE center depth.
Elevate Hoglander. Guy is forming into a legit top6 winger in front of our eyes. Give him Lindholm and Miheyev. Let them match up and try to shut down lines while geneating a bit of offense.
This keeps the lotto line going

suter-lindholm-mikheyev

finally a shut down line. required to compete

 

[Shareefruck]

My thoughts on optimizing the new lineup:

The default is currently looking like this:

Suter/Mikheyev - Miller - Boeser
Pettersson - Lindholm - Mikheyev/Suter
Joshua - Blueger - Garland
Hoglander - Aman - Lafferty

Which looks excellent and I think it makes sense to try that first (potentially four very good lines that you can roll without worrying at all, and scoring coming from everywhere).

If Lindholm isn't a puck carrier, then I don't think Lotto line with Lindholm carrying a second line would work very well.

My concern though, is that I don't love Pettersson having to be sole puck carrier either (feels like that causes him to get a bit too fancy and in his head about it), so I think Hoglander would provide that type of support best, personally (I also think he's grown out of being a poor fit with Pettersson). I don't think Mikheyev can play that role well.

Personally, I don't trust Aman to center a 4th line unless it has Hoglander and Lafferty carrying it. So ideally, I would love if Mikheyev can be effective on the Miller line (on paper, it looks like a fit to me-- Mikheyev is solid third-man offensive support but isn't an amazing forechecker-- Miller is an excellent one, and Miller/Boeser can do a lot on their own but lacks speed more than they lack a mucker, IMO). I don't understand why they haven't given it more of a shot.

It also just feels like a waste to have 5 very solid centers and still not have a decent center for the 4th line, when centers are so critical in the playoffs.

So ideally, I would aim for this (which feels potentially the most dominating without the fourth line left weak):

Mikheyev - Miller - Boeser
Pettersson - Lindholm - Hoglander
Joshua - Blueger - Garland
Di Giuseppe/Aman - Suter - Lafferty

These would be the two primary line-ups that I'd flip back and forth between depending on how well the second line gels. I would not want to see anything that results in a Mikheyev - Aman fourth line.

 

[canuckking1]

Tkachuk, Gaudreau, and Toffoli all had career years playing next to him. Let's hope he can do the same for Petey

 

[Regal]

My thoughts on optimizing the new lineup:

The default is currently looking like this:

Suter/Mikheyev - Miller - Boeser
Pettersson - Lindholm - Mikheyev/Suter
Joshua - Blueger - Garland
Hoglander - Aman - Lafferty

Which looks excellent and I think it makes sense to try that first (potentially four very good lines that you can roll without worrying at all, and scoring coming from everywhere).

If Lindholm isn't a puck carrier, then I don't think Lotto line with Lindholm carrying a second line would work very well.

My concern though, is that I don't love Pettersson having to be sole puck carrier either (feels like that causes him to get a bit too fancy and in his head about it), so I think Hoglander would provide that type of support best, personally (I also think he's grown out of being a poor fit with Pettersson). I don't think Mikheyev can play that role well.

Personally, I don't trust Aman to center a 4th line unless it has Hoglander and Lafferty carrying it. So ideally, I would love if Mikheyev can be effective on the Miller line (on paper, it looks like a fit to me-- Mikheyev is solid third-man offensive support but isn't an amazing forechecker-- Miller is an excellent one, and Miller/Boeser can do a lot on their own but lacks speed more than they lack a mucker, IMO). I don't understand why they haven't given it more of a shot.

It also just feels like a waste to have 5 very solid centers and still not have a decent center for the 4th line, when centers are so critical in the playoffs.

So ideally, I would aim for this (which feels potentially the most dominating without the fourth line left weak):

Mikheyev - Miller - Boeser
Pettersson - Lindholm - Hoglander
Joshua - Blueger - Garland
Di Giuseppe/Aman - Suter - Lafferty

These would be the two primary line-ups that I'd flip back and forth between depending on how well the second line gels. I would not want to see anything that results in a Mikheyev - Aman fourth line.

I think Lindholm is a pretty solid puck carrier/line driver, he just doesn’t have the creativity to be the best offensive player on a top line. If anything I think the Miller line would need more support there as Pettersson and Lindholm are both better at it than their counterparts in Miller and Boeser.

I’d prefer to put Hoglander with Miller and Boeser, which has worked in the past, and then put Mikheyev or Suter with Pettersson, but then play the Pettersson line against top competition rather than the Miller line. One of the issues with Hoglander on the Miller line is defense because it’s been used in more of a matchup role, in part because Kuzmenko also can’t be in that role when he’s with Pettersson. But a Pettersson - Lindholm - Mikheyev/Suter line would be a better matchup line than anything that’s been put out so far this season.

I do agree I’m not sold on Aman centering the 4th line without Hog and Lafferty, so it would be nice to have Suter there if Hog is moved up. I do wonder if a smaller deal might be made to add a better 4th liner than Aman/PDG, but it’s not a priority obviously

 

[Shareefruck]

I think Lindholm is a pretty solid puck carrier/line driver, he just doesn’t have the creativity to be the best offensive player on a top line. If anything I think the Miller line would need more support there as Pettersson and Lindholm are both better at it than their counterparts in Miller and Boeser.

I’d prefer to put Hoglander with Miller and Boeser, which has worked in the past, and then put Mikheyev or Suter with Pettersson, but then play the Pettersson line against top competition rather than the Miller line. One of the issues with Hoglander on the Miller line is defense because it’s been used in more of a matchup role, in part because Kuzmenko also can’t be in that role when he’s with Pettersson. But a Pettersson - Lindholm - Mikheyev/Suter line would be a better matchup line than anything that’s been put out so far this season.

I do agree I’m not sold on Aman centering the 4th line without Hog and Lafferty, so it would be nice to have Suter there if Hog is moved up. I do wonder if a smaller deal might be made to add a better 4th liner than Aman/PDG, but it’s not a priority obviously

Yeah, a Flames fan echoed the same thought in the other thread. If that's the case, I would prefer to just stick with the default lineup instead, personally. I don't think Hoglander with the Miller line is much better than Suter with the Miller line, if at all, and that Hoglander - Aman - Lafferty line is an awesome fourth line.

Suter - Miller - Boeser
Pettersson - Lindholm - Mikheyev
Joshua - Blueger - Garland
Hoglander - Aman - Lafferty

Looks great.

 

[Regal]

Yeah, a Flames fan echoed the same thought in the other thread. If that's the case, I would prefer to just stick with the default lineup instead, personally. I don't think Hoglander with the Miller line is much better than Suter with the Miller line, and that Hoglander - Aman - Lafferty line is an awesome fourth line.

Suter - Miller - Boeser
Pettersson - Lindholm - Mikheyev
Joshua - Blueger - Garland
Hoglander - Aman - Lafferty

Looks great.

Yea fair, Suter has played well there too. And the wealth of centres really give the team options to move guys around depending on who’s going

 

[Aphid Attraction]

My thoughts on optimizing the new lineup:

The default is currently looking like this:

Suter/Mikheyev - Miller - Boeser
Pettersson - Lindholm - Mikheyev/Suter
Joshua - Blueger - Garland
Hoglander - Aman - Lafferty

Which looks excellent and I think it makes sense to try that first (potentially four very good lines that you can roll without worrying at all, and scoring coming from everywhere).

If Lindholm isn't a puck carrier, then I don't think Lotto line with Lindholm carrying a second line would work very well.

My concern though, is that I don't love Pettersson having to be sole puck carrier either (feels like that causes him to get a bit too fancy and in his head about it), so I think Hoglander would provide that type of support best, personally (I also think he's grown out of being a poor fit with Pettersson). I don't think Mikheyev can play that role well.

Personally, I don't trust Aman to center a 4th line unless it has Hoglander and Lafferty carrying it. So ideally, I would love if Mikheyev can be effective on the Miller line (on paper, it looks like a fit to me-- Mikheyev is solid third-man offensive support but isn't an amazing forechecker-- Miller is an excellent one, and Miller/Boeser can do a lot on their own but lacks speed more than they lack a mucker, IMO). I don't understand why they haven't given it more of a shot.

It also just feels like a waste to have 5 very solid centers and still not have a decent center for the 4th line, when centers are so critical in the playoffs.

So ideally, I would aim for this (which feels potentially the most dominating without the fourth line left weak):

Mikheyev - Miller - Boeser
Pettersson - Lindholm - Hoglander
Joshua - Blueger - Garland
Di Giuseppe/Aman - Suter - Lafferty

These would be the two primary line-ups that I'd flip back and forth between depending on how well the second line gels. I would not want to see anything that results in a Mikheyev - Aman fourth line.

If everyone is playing there best, then that last linup is exactly what I in-vision.

I would swap out Lafferty into the top 6 first to shake things up, especially for speedy teams. And Suter/PDG if you are looking to grind teams down a bit.

 

[Iron Mike Sharpe]

If Lindholm and Pettersson are together, it makes sense for them to revert to the original Green Lotto Line formula of having Pettersson play center BUT have Lindholm take most of the draws, like Miller used to do. It keeps Pettersson's two-way game much stronger if he has more space to move and can see more of the ice in his positioning. Lindhom can be as effective defensively in a winger position but may get an offensive boost.

 

[VanJack]

In Calgary, Lindholm was the PPG center on a dynamite line with Gaudreau and Tkachuk. Lindholm has proven he can score when united with dynamic wingers.

I'd like to see them try Lindholm in the middle between Boeser and Miller....sort of a 'Lotto line lite'. And then try and build a second scoring line around Pettersson and Mikheyev, if they could ever get him going.

 

[1440]

It is never really buy low when you are acquiring a mid-season rental, but there are a lot of underlying stats thst suggest Lindholm is due for an uptick in production. Caveat: I have not watched him play much this season.

Moneypuck has him as the lowest Flame in terms of goals scored above expected at 9/14.5 and in shooting talent adjusted G above xG at 9/15.6.

This isn't to say he hasn't been generating good chances. He lead the Flames in unblocked high danger shots (21), was third in SOG at 131, and 5th in shot attempts at 230 but sported a 14th best 6.9% shooting percentage and 10th best 60% individual share of points scored while he was on the ice. His on ice shooting percentage of 10% and Sv% at 0.883 for a PDO of 0.983 were 10th, 21st and 13th best respectively. These sorts of shooting percentage and IPP results are more in line with a second pairing defenseman than a top line forward (he lead Flames forwards in ice time and is a career 12.1% shooter) so there is certainly room for upwards regression.

For comparison, his on ice shooting and save percentages would put him second last and dead last among Canucks (>100 minutes), and his Sh% would be last among Canucks forwards. His IPP would be 9th among Canucks forwards, although higher than Boeser, so there is some logic to thinking the trigger man will be lower in this category, despite his ixG ranking only behind Boeser, EP, and Miller.

Overall, I wouldn't be surprised if Lindholm comes in and immediately goes on a heater and scores 10 goals in his first 15 games or something equally ridiculous, especially since he will get PP1 time (which he also got in Calgary) and better linemates than he had in Calgary to go with the new team/contract year adrenaline boost. We should also temper expectations accordingly. Early results may not be reflective of his long term potential, and it will take some time to see if he is truly on a downward trajectory (as some of his underlyings suggest), or just enduring an unlucky year on a bad team. I would lean strongly towards the notion that his shooting talent did not suddenly dissapear at 29 though, and there would be some sense in the Canucks trying to extend him before he rebounds if that is what they want to do.

 

[helloconga]

hoping playing with better players can revitalize his play, and he will contribute to a deep canuck run to the stanley cup finals. this squad can win it all this year.

just keep fingers crossed no injuries, plagued us over so many seasons.

 

[Grip it N RYP it]

His wife posted on her IG account that they’re getting a furnished place in Van. Don’t know if they’re staying till the end of the year or are staying for multiple years.

Canucks Reddit Source

But did he buy a BBQ?

Should tell us more.

 

[4th line culture]

Hughes and petey didnt draft him they clearly hate him and would rather have kuz. Team chemistry is ruined

 

[Shareefruck]

In Calgary, Lindholm was the PPG center on a dynamite line with Gaudreau and Tkachuk. Lindholm has proven he can score when united with dynamic wingers.

I'd like to see them try Lindholm in the middle between Boeser and Miller....sort of a 'Lotto line lite'. And then try and build a second scoring line around Pettersson and Mikheyev, if they could ever get him going.

Going through all this trouble to solve the issue of Pettersson and his carousel of wingers that he has to struggle to carry as a second line and usually doesn't fit with, getting someone like Lindholm, and then ending up in the same scenario anyways (except with even less options now that Kuzmenko's gone) sounds like a bit of a nightmare scenario to me, to be honest.

That said, if we're going absolutely wild with this, I'd wonder about replicating that by having a Pettersson - Lindholm - Boeser "Lotto line Lite" instead (stylistically, it's a little closer to Gaudreau/Tkachuk too) and then seeing if Miller can carry his own line (which I kind of feel like he's more built to do and is a potential fit with more lower-line-up players-- fewer exhausted options proven to not work, anyways). Miller between Hoglander and Lafferty would be very interesting and a far better stylistic fit than Pettersson with them, for example.

Pettersson - Lindholm - Boeser
Hoglander - Miller - Lafferty
Joshua - Blueger - Garland
Mikheyev - Suter - Aman/Di-Giuseppe

I wouldn't bother trying anything that different, personally, but wildly throwing together line combos is so much more fun now.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Canucks all-time Sweden roster (not necessarily in terms of how they played as a Canuck, but in their prime):

D. Sedin - H. Sedin - Eriksson
Naslund - Pettersson - Lindholm
Gradin - Sundin - Sundstrom
Arvedson - Pahlsson - Samuelsson
Hoglander, Aman

Edler - Ohlund
OEL - Forsling

Markstrom
Hedberg
Nilsson

Soon: Lekkerimaki, Willander, Pettersson

 

[alternate]

I expect Tocchet will start with status quo, Lindholm with EP and Mik. But at some point Tocchet will need/want to try different looks.

When he does, I'd like to see Lindholm on the No Name Line. It's worked with Suter and it's worked with Blueger. Lindholm is better than both, and he plays his best offensively when he has a little winger getting him the puck in the soft spots.

With the Lotto Line
JTM-EP-06
Dak-Lindy-Gnarly
Mik-Blueger-Suter
Hog-Aman-Laff

Or go 3 deep
Suter-JTM-Boer
Mikheyev-EP-Hoglander
Dak-Lindy-Gnarly
Aman-Blueger-Lafferty

One thing is for certain, Tocchet has a bag full of options with his lineup when it comes to match ups and creating mismatches.

 

[David71]

if tocchet wants to have all three centers on their own line that would be the most ideal situation in games example against top players draistial/mcdavid, they would have to go up against one of ep/lindholms line that would make the most sense. suter/jtm/boeser can focus on offense or vice versa. the opposing coach would have to figure out a gameplan to get away but it will be difficult especially at home games where last change is important.

 

[Quinntessential]

Loui Eriksson 2.0

Fire Alvin

 

[Izzy Goodenough]

Loui Eriksson 2.0

Fire Alvin

Sure if Lindholm was an aging left shot, winger, making 6x6M, who seldom played the PK, had never scored 40 goals in a season and ends up scoring on his own goal in his first game with the Canucks.

But other than that, the parallels are uncanny.

 

[oceanchild]

If he develops a Korean BBQ and dim sum addiction he's re-signing for sure! E5!

That’s an addiction worth having

 

[Kryten]

Great first game

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Best Elias on the team

 

[timw33]

Showed great versatility, made good reads. Good first game.

Went from having a roster spot you could not trust in any form of defensive leverage to one you could throw into any situation comfortably. Quantum upgrade in that regard.

 

[arttk]

Looks like he caught the PDO bug.

 

[ghostingtaro]

man the oilers are salty over this guy