Player Discussion: Ehlers

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Yeah you are probably right but hopefully Arniel will surprise.

I totally get if he reunites the Lowry line when Apples is back - that line is money, BUT I hope he gets creative with that second line. Maybe Kupari and Perfetti will build a bit of chemistry.

Arniel is not Maurice. Seems to be more flexible, so far at least. I think it depends on how the combinations work from here on.

This would be an unexpected, if not unorthodox, solution to our 2C issue. But if it works I can't see abandoning it.
 
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From Dom at the Athletic who usually doesn’t gush about Winnipeg but has us at #3 in his NHL Power rankings

About our amazing PP:

“Since 2007-08, only last season’s Oilers have scored more goals per 60 than Winnipeg’s 12.62. The list of players currently generating more primary assists there than Nikolj Ehlers is Nikita Kucherov and, uh, nobody else.”
 
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From Dom from the Athletic who usually doesn’t gush about Winnipeg but has us at #3 in his NHL Power rankings

About our amazing PP:

“Since 2007-08, only last season’s Oilers have scored more goals per 60 than Winnipeg’s 12.62. The list of players currently generating more primary assists there than Nikolj Ehlers is Nikita Kucherov and, uh, nobody else. Overall, are the Jets creating chances at a similarly crazy rate?”
Nik easily our best playmaker by far.
Put him with a top tier center and 90-100 points easy.
 
Nik easily our best playmaker by far.
Put him with a top tier center and 90-100 points easy.

His usage has been a long standing debate on our forum but one thing nobody can deny is that he is now a key Cog in the best powerplay in the league. Makes me wonder how much our coaching and player selection held back our PP over the last few seasons, or are we just riding the mother of all heaters right now? Hats off the the PP coach too.
 
His usage has been a long standing debate on our forum but one thing nobody can deny is that he is now a key Cog in the best powerplay in the league. Makes me wonder how much our coaching and player selection held back our PP over the last few seasons, or are we just riding the mother of all heaters right now? Hats off the the PP coach too.
It took the right pp coach, which is really the old one we had, but, we had him on pp before we had this wrinkle and it did not look this good.
 
Nik easily our best playmaker by far.
Put him with a top tier center and 90-100 points easy.
idk about by far, vilardi is filthy with his set ups. id say ehlers may be more consistent or makes more plays, but vilardi makes more highlight reel type plays.

setting up elite offensive skilled/IQ players like connor & scheifele is a factor certainly as names and perfetti are usually closer to bottom-6 levels of production.
From Dom from the Athletic who usually doesn’t gush about Winnipeg but has us at #3 in his NHL Power rankings

About our amazing PP:

“Since 2007-08, only last season’s Oilers have scored more goals per 60 than Winnipeg’s 12.62. The list of players currently generating more primary assists there than Nikolj Ehlers is Nikita Kucherov and, uh, nobody else.”

ppl routinely scoff at usage, inclusion on pp1 or top line but it really plays a huge role in overall production. there's been slippage in ehlers' 5v5 production, probably b/c his linemates aren't great offensively, but the PP is keeping his totals high. playing at a 35 pp pt/82gp pace... that's 28 more than last season.
 
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From Dom from the Athletic who usually doesn’t gush about Winnipeg but has us at #3 in his NHL Power rankings

About our amazing PP:

“Since 2007-08, only last season’s Oilers have scored more goals per 60 than Winnipeg’s 12.62. The list of players currently generating more primary assists there than Nikolj Ehlers is Nikita Kucherov and, uh, nobody else.”
Ehlers has basically super-charged the Jets' PP. It would be a huge risk to trade him and give up a big part of the Jets' offense and advantage. It's also a role that will likely translate to the playoffs, even if Ehlers finds his game slowed in the post-season.

I still think the Jets best most is to add another impact C or W to play in the middle 6 along with at least one big D that can anchor a 3rd pair and PK2.
 
Ehlers has basically super-charged the Jets' PP. It would be a huge risk to trade him and give up a big part of the Jets' offense and advantage. It's also a role that will likely translate to the playoffs, even if Ehlers finds his game slowed in the post-season.

I still think the Jets best most is to add another impact C or W to play in the middle 6 along with at least one big D that can anchor a 3rd pair and PK2.
I doubt they trade him they either resign or let him walk.
 
I doubt they trade him they either resign or let him walk.
Agree. I think they add using futures (prospects and/or picks) and let it ride in the playoffs. If they have a strong playoff run and Ehlers is a big part of the success then both sides will be more motivated to get an extension done. If the Jets have another disappointing playoff and Ehlers is part of that, then the Jets will be looking in another direction going forward, anyway.

If the Jets were a more attractive market for free agents then Chevy could use the Jets' great cap situation more effectively in free agency. But that's an old story.
 
idk about by far, vilardi is filthy with his set ups. id say ehlers may be more consistent or makes more plays, but vilardi makes more highlight reel type plays.

setting up elite offensive skilled/IQ players like connor & scheifele is a factor certainly as names and perfetti are usually closer to bottom-6 levels of production.


ppl routinely scoff at usage, inclusion on pp1 or top line but it really plays a huge role in overall production. there's been slippage in ehlers' 5v5 production, probably b/c his linemates aren't great offensively, but the PP is keeping his totals high. playing at a 35 pp pt/82gp pace... that's 28 more than last season.
Yeah it's very true.

Ehlers going from 5v5 stud in limited mins and mediocre PP guy most of last 5 years to merely good 5v5 and all-NHL stud on the PP was not something I saw coming.

But it shows how big of a difference it makes for a guy who has a career high of 60 points. He is still getting 3rd line time 5v5 and he is above a point a game now based off plating on successful PP1.

I can't recall anyone doing what he is in this type of role since Phil Kessel from 2016-19. Must be a few im not thinking of but still.
 
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His usage has been a long standing debate on our forum but one thing nobody can deny is that he is now a key Cog in the best powerplay in the league. Makes me wonder how much our coaching and player selection held back our PP over the last few seasons, or are we just riding the mother of all heaters right now? Hats off the the PP coach too.
The best player doesn't need to play with the best players to be the best player

Ehelrs has as many head scratcher plays as amazing ones. If he could clean those up, then maybe. Until then, he isn't in the same tier as Connor, Schief or even Lowry. To me, all those guys are more valuable than Ehlers

You can tell which posters form their opinions from watching games and understanding what they're seeing and who gets their opinions from reading Twitter
 
The best player doesn't need to play with the best players to be the best player

Ehelrs has as many head scratcher plays as amazing ones. If he could clean those up, then maybe. Until then, he isn't in the same tier as Connor, Schief or even Lowry. To me, all those guys are more valuable than Ehlers

You can tell which posters form their opinions from watching games and understanding what they're seeing and who gets their opinions from reading Twitter

Not on Twitter but your theory seems to have helped you identify the smartest guy in the room at least. :sarcasm:
 
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His usage has been a long standing debate on our forum but one thing nobody can deny is that he is now a key Cog in the best powerplay in the league. Makes me wonder how much our coaching and player selection held back our PP over the last few seasons, or are we just riding the mother of all heaters right now? Hats off the the PP coach too.

Partly heater, not unlike Caps, partly good talent + good coaching.
 
The best player doesn't need to play with the best players to be the best player

Ehelrs has as many head scratcher plays as amazing ones. If he could clean those up, then maybe. Until then, he isn't in the same tier as Connor, Schief or even Lowry. To me, all those guys are more valuable than Ehlers

You can tell which posters form their opinions from watching games and understanding what they're seeing and who gets their opinions from reading Twitter
Connor and Scheifele have their share of head scratcher plays, but they are not as obvious to many. When Connor makes a soft play inside his blueline that results in a turnover, many don't see that as a huge mistake, but the result is often very damaging, forcing the Jets to defend without structure in their own zone. Similarly, when Scheifele fails to support the puck from "underneath" in his zone and is trying to fly for offense, and it results in a dangerous turnover, few fans seem to notice. Those two certainly haven't been perfect in their play. They've been much more diligent this season and it's led to more success for that line (though they've lapsed into some of those bad habits the past few games).
 
Hopefully we re-sign Ehlers but i really don't think Chevy is going to just let him walk for absolutely nothing.
In that case, Chevy should have already been discussing mutual interest in a new contract, but hasn't had any discussions with Ehlers' camp. So unless Chevy is already planning to trade Ehlers before the TDL he's kind of flying blind in terms of the possibility of re-signing him.
 
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Connor and Scheifele have their share of head scratcher plays, but they are not as obvious to many. When Connor makes a soft play inside his blueline that results in a turnover, many don't see that as a huge mistake, but the result is often very damaging, forcing the Jets to defend without structure in their own zone. Similarly, when Scheifele fails to support the puck from "underneath" in his zone and is trying to fly for offense, and it results in a dangerous turnover, few fans seem to notice. Those two certainly haven't been perfect in their play. They've been much more diligent this season and it's led to more success for that line (though they've lapsed into some of those bad habits the past few games).
I'd like to hear what you think of Ehlers' play away from the puck. Nobody seems to mention it, but Arniel was quite candid before the season talking about how he needs to improve there if he wants to play more

If you're talking defensively, then yes every player makes bad plays. I'm talking about the offensive blueline turnovers, two laps then a pass to nobody, coming down the wing on an odd man rush and wiring the puck high and wide and it wraps all the way back to our own end... so if we're comparing apples to apples, Ehlers does way more stupid shit with the puck

As for play away from the puck, nobody ever talks about that unless it ends catastrophically. Just like Ehlers' stupid plays with the puck are more obvious and spectacular, the same can be said for schief and Connor defensively. But that's not to say that Ehlers is some kind of Selke candidate. His better shot metrics are probably largely attributed to his zone exits vs his actual defending
 
Connor and Scheifele have their share of head scratcher plays, but they are not as obvious to many. When Connor makes a soft play inside his blueline that results in a turnover, many don't see that as a huge mistake, but the result is often very damaging, forcing the Jets to defend without structure in their own zone. Similarly, when Scheifele fails to support the puck from "underneath" in his zone and is trying to fly for offense, and it results in a dangerous turnover, few fans seem to notice. Those two certainly haven't been perfect in their play. They've been much more diligent this season and it's led to more success for that line (though they've lapsed into some of those bad habits the past few games).
They all make mistakes, kc and Schief know to simplify their game at end of game. There was one play last game kc could have tried to make an offensive play a cross ice pass, but, he knew to keep it in the corner.
Ehlers prob does the same as scheif and jets buy some end years... 9x8

Samberg 6x8 hopefully
Pionk 6x6 prob...
Do you think Ehlers is as valued as Schief? I mean he is important, but, the first line plays 20 minutes a game. I can’t see someone getting significantly less money being as valued by organization to get paid same. Not saying he shouldn’t be, but, I don’t get the vibe that he is.
 
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An issue for the Jets is that the cap is going to rise fast (as much as 97M next season). If they don't spend to keep Ehlers, what do they do with the cap space? They can't attract UFAs and they don't have others in their roster that merit huge contracts, even after Connor is taken care of. So do the Jets then just become a team well below the cap? Hard to win that way. Or do they overspend on mid players like Pionk and Appleton? I can't see them as a team that uses cap space to retain for other teams' cap dumps.

With the Jets having a ton of cap space next season and beyond, what are better ways to use the space than extending Ehlers, even if it feels like an overpay?
 
Do we have cap space to re sign Nik at a very competitive price, apparently yes. Does Chevy think he can re sign him or does he already know of Nik's plan, maybe. Will there be a big whole in this lineup if Nik walks, absolutely. Chipman has always said that they will pay up to the cap as long as the team is competitive but is close to 100m cap way to high, possibly. Anyways it's up to Chevy to get a deal done unless Nik has told him not to bother .
 
The best player doesn't need to play with the best players to be the best player

Ehelrs has as many head scratcher plays as amazing ones. If he could clean those up, then maybe. Until then, he isn't in the same tier as Connor, Schief or even Lowry. To me, all those guys are more valuable than Ehlers

You can tell which posters form their opinions from watching games and understanding what they're seeing and who gets their opinions from reading Twitter
And this is why advanced stats exist...

They all make mistakes, kc and Schief know to simplify their game at end of game. There was one play last game kc could have tried to make an offensive play a cross ice pass, but, he knew to keep it in the corner.

Do you think Ehlers is as valued as Schief? I mean he is important, but, the first line plays 20 minutes a game. I can’t see someone getting significantly less money being as valued by organization to get paid same. Not saying he shouldn’t be, but, I don’t get the vibe that he is.
Id rather not see our pp1 without ehlers.. or pur 2nd line.
 

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