Player Discussion: Ehlers

[Mortimer Snerd]

Pionk at $2m fine. At whatever he is going to ask for? Forget about. you are the one that is out to lunch.

I'd have to think Chevy is chewing on this dilemma as we speak.
It gets you thinking - maybe this is why Ville is slotting in on his off wing.
I'm just spit ballin' here because I'm bored - if they were to let Pionk walk, they need to replace him and hoping they can find a top 4 RHD via the open market is a long shot.
Ehlers drives that second line - and probably will continue to drive it even if we pick up another center - and he's good at it.

2 mil is a big underpay. 4-4.5 is probably pretty good value, as long as the term isn't too long. But what will he get in UFA after the season he is having? 7-8 with the way the cap is rising? And probably at least 2 years too long, maybe more.

I don't want us trying to compete with that. Heinola might be a viable replacement, IF he can transition to the right side well enough.

 

[LowLefty]

I'm sorry but people who think this team will be better without Pionk are out to lunch. All the Ehlers hype after a 3 point night. But how did that comeback goal happen? That was Pionk leading the rush putting the puck behind the Sens net that started that play. Take away his work on the PK that game and tell me that's easily replaceable. 22 minutes a night is a lot of ice time to replace.

They will be worse without Pionk - it might come down to the numbers and choices that will need to be made.
The last thing I want is for our blueline to get worse - but losing Ehlers would pretty much destroy our second line.
I'm hoping there are other options to make this work -

 

[DRW204]

I feel if he was going to sign it would of happened already, he seems happy enough here but he might want to play elsewhere for reasons only he would know about. For some players playing for the best team in the league is not enough.

the nino signing last year apparently did not sit well with the team's FAs who wanted deals in Winnipeg. maybe the Jets want to avoid that while they're off to a tremendous start. he's been here for 10 years do you stay with the same workplace in 10 years if you're getting around the same tasks, duties etc and limited to no room for higher responsibilities? are the Jets the only good team in the league that will pay him well?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

They will be worse without Pionk - it might come down to the numbers and choices that will need to be made.
The last thing I want is for our blueline to get worse - but losing Ehlers would pretty much destroy our second line.
I'm hoping there are other options to make this work -

Salomonsson can't be ready too soon.

RHD is still my preferred upgrade, but I want term, not a rental. At least a year or two.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Salomonsson can't be ready too soon.

RHD is still my preferred upgrade, but I want term, not a rental. At least a year or two.

Which creates a even bigger cap problem. Is it possible to replace Nino with a cheaper option, as the teams with big cap players generally don't spend as much on bottom 6 as jets do.

Still think Ehlers gets under 8 mil as you don't pay a 60 pt guy 8 mil.

 

[bustamente]

Whatever happens especially if some big money gets thrown around the Jets will have to rely on prospects to fill the rest of the roster spots as cheaper options

 

[Adam da bomb]

Whatever happens especially if some big money gets thrown around the Jets will have to rely on prospects to fill the rest of the roster spots as cheaper options

And our best prospects are forwards so they need to start moving some of these expensive bottom 6 guys and replacing them with youth.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Which creates a even bigger cap problem. Is it possible to replace Nino with a cheaper option, as the teams with big cap players generally don't spend as much on bottom 6 as jets do.

Still think Ehlers gets under 8 mil as you don't pay a 60 pt guy 8 mil.

I doubt he signs for 8, much less below that. GMs accept a certain level of injury prone without batting an eye, and they pay in spite of it. Injuries are such a big part of hockey that a certain amount of tolerance is built in to the system. I don't think Ehlers exceeds the bar for that. Not quite, not yet.

If he doesn't miss any more time he is on pace for 78 pts in 73 games. He will get paid.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I doubt he signs for 8, much less below that. GMs accept a certain level of injury prone without batting an eye, and they pay in spite of it. Injuries are such a big part of hockey that a certain amount of tolerance is built in to the system. I don't think Ehlers exceeds the bar for that. Not quite, not yet.

If he doesn't miss any more time he is on pace for 78 pts in 73 games. He will get paid.

I mean if you compare injuries to our other top 3 schief has probably missed less than 5 games for injuries in the last 4 years. Connor has missed very little time, Morrissey has missed very little time. Morrissey has missed a total of 7 games in last 3 seasons. Last 2 seasons schief has missed a total of 9 games. Connor missed 17 games last season, but the two previous seasons he has missed a total of 3 games. Ehlers missed no games last season, but previous 2 seasons he missed 57 games.


If Ehlers is getting over 8 mil for 78 points, Connor is getting over 11 million for over a 100 points and the team numbers thrown out here are even more inaccurate.

 

[bustamente]

Nik is going to be paid and he and his agent knows it, plenty of teams that will be in on him and he will be able to pick and choose where to play and how he is compensated. Sadly all is quiet of the Jets front and that's not a good sign. Chevy for all intent and purposes has probably been informed the Nik is going to test the market.

 

[TS Quint]

Nik is going to be paid and he and his agent knows it, plenty of teams that will be in on him and he will be able to pick and choose where to play and how he is compensated. Sadly all is quiet of the Jets front and that's not a good sign. Chevy for all intent and purposes has probably been informed the Nik is going to test the market.

It's always quiet on the Jets front. Nothing interesting about that.

 

[kylbaz]

$8+ wouldn't surprise me

Nik is going to be paid and he and his agent knows it, plenty of teams that will be in on him and he will be able to pick and choose where to play and how he is compensated. Sadly all is quiet of the Jets front and that's not a good sign. Chevy for all intent and purposes has probably been informed the Nik is going to test the market.

Agree. There are a number of teams that will love to throw money at him and put him on the first line. Read other teams GDTs, they're always talking about him, he's always doing something special to stand out and other teams' front offices see the exact same thing.

 

[bustamente]

$8+ wouldn't surprise me

Agree. There are a number of teams that will love to throw money at him and put him on the first line. Read other teams GDTs, they're always talking about him, he's always doing something special to stand out and other teams' front offices see the exact same thing.

Yup anyone thinking that he will sign for anything less that 8 by the Jets is wishful thinking. On the open market is will start at 9 and who knows where it goes

 

[Weezeric]

Yup anyone thinking that he will sign for anything less that 8 by the Jets is wishful thinking. On the open market is will start at 9 and who knows where it goes

You think Ehlers is worth more than Sam Reinhart?

 

[Mud Turtle]

Yup anyone thinking that he will sign for anything less that 8 by the Jets is wishful thinking. On the open market is will start at 9 and who knows where it goes

Guys who drive the play, which Nic does, should always be paid a bit of a premium in my opinion.

 

[Jets 31]

Everyone thought Scheifele and Helly were gone too. I am really not worried about Ehlers, i think he gets signed by Chevy. If Ehlers has told Chevy he wants out i guarantee Chevy won't lose him for nothing.

 

[Jets 31]

I've also read reports that the salary cap is going up 9 million next season, that gives a decent amount to play with for Chevy.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I've also read reports that the salary cap is going up 9 million next season, that gives a decent amount to play with for Chevy.

Does it give them more money to play with or do players automatically just want a bigger cut of that? Like if Ehlers would sign for 9, but, cap goes up does 9 become 10?

 

[bustamente]

You think Ehlers is worth more than Sam Reinhart?

That's not for me to decide, there a lot of players in the NHL that get overpaid when they are UFA

 

[voyageur]

Pionk at $2m fine. At whatever he is going to ask for? Forget about. you are the one that is out to lunch.

In what world is a #2 d man in the NHL worth that? Ask yourself now if a 2nd/3rd line winger protected from hard matchups is irreplaceable when Chibrikov was scoring on that line and Perfetti was scoring in the PP bumper spot?

 

[Adam da bomb]

In what world is a #2 d man in the NHL worth that? Ask yourself now if a 2nd/3rd line winger protected from hard matchups is irreplaceable when Chibrikov was scoring on that line and Perfetti was scoring in the PP bumper spot?

Is he a number 2 or is he the number 3 on this team and berg is a number 2?

 

[Buffdog]

Just wondering how many "the regular season doesn't matter as much as how the Jets do in the playoffs" people are the same ones wanting to extend a soon to be 30 year Ehlers for 8M a season

The ideas seem contradictory

That said, Chevy has done a great job with the cap. Only 5 guys are making 6M or more, nobody more than 8.5M. He's in a position to allocate the rising cap space to Vilardi, Perfetti, Samberg, etc. Signing those guys long term through their primes seems like a #1 priority

From there, he can look at guys like Ehlers and Pionk (who both a few decent years left but will be asking for big bucks) and decide what numbers he's comfortable keeping them at.

 

[voyageur]

Is he a number 2 or is he the number 3 on this team and berg is a number 2?

Ice time, points, all those stats point to Pionk being a #2 unless you believe Samberg is going to carry any offense. I guess the same question could be asked about Ehlers...is he a 2nd line winger or is Lowry's line that gets the hardest matchups the #2 line?

I like Ehlers. He's fun to watch. I was even commenting in how he will get closer to the net then he ever did in his career, watching this game with my brother. But I don't think he's the catalyst. More like a nice secondary piece, like a Nylander. It's possible the Jets keep both him and Connor, unlikely but possible.

I just think that these boards undervalue the Lowry and Pionk types because they don't value the hard minutes out on the ice.

 

[KingBogo]

Nik is going to be paid and he and his agent knows it, plenty of teams that will be in on him and he will be able to pick and choose where to play and how he is compensated. Sadly all is quiet of the Jets front and that's not a good sign. Chevy for all intent and purposes has probably been informed the Nik is going to test the market.

When is anything ever leaked by the Jets? I expect everything to be quiet until the day Ehlers re-signs. My guess is a lot of business will be discussed during the 4 Nation cup when GMs will be mingling with other GMs and agents. I see an announcement shortly after that.

 

[DRW204]

FWIW
Prior to this season, evolving hockey who run at pretty high accuracy had ehlers at 7.5-8m depending on term.
I doubt the Jets are trading him. Really, if you're concerned about losing players for nothing, Pionk is having more of the abnormal year based on career norms just in time for a new contract as a UFA to be.