Ehlers why Didnt We Trade Him

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Chevy has generally done a great job in Winnipeg, but simultaneously, imagine what Winnipeg would be like if Chevy started doing more Tulsky-like tactics. Maybe the way for Winnipeg to improve their reputation as a franchise would be if he was more aggressive. The Jets are going to have an insane amount of cap space this offseason. Maybe they should pay Ehlers the proper amount to keep him. Alternatively, maybe the Jets should take a gamble on their own version of the Rantanen trade and have their own version of a pivot if the guy doesn't want to sign.

 

[TS Quint]

Chevy has generally done a great job in Winnipeg, but simultaneously, imagine what Winnipeg would be like if Chevy started doing more Tulsky-like tactics. Maybe the way for Winnipeg to improve their reputation as a franchise would be if he was more aggressive. The Jets are going to have an insane amount of cap space this offseason. Maybe they should pay Ehlers the proper amount to keep him. Alternatively, maybe the Jets should take a gamble on their own version of the Rantanen trade and have their own version of a pivot if the guy doesn't want to sign.

Trotz tried some "Tulsky-like tactics".

Jets are 1st place in the league. Maybe it's Tulsky who should be trying some Chey-like tactics instead of shitting all over himself over Rantanen.

 

[winnipegger]

Jets are the only team that can offer him 8 years. I think if the team performs well in the spring he signs.

 

[avtarb]

Foolish thread.. why didn't we trade him cuz he's huge piece of our team and our success... maybe logic would tell you management knows more about his situation than u do and thier pretty confident he coming back. .. we have significant cap space and no problem matching what others offer on top of that he's been loyal member of organization since day 1

 

[10Ducky10]

Chevy has generally done a great job in Winnipeg, but simultaneously, imagine what Winnipeg would be like if Chevy started doing more Tulsky-like tactics. Maybe the way for Winnipeg to improve their reputation as a franchise would be if he was more aggressive. The Jets are going to have an insane amount of cap space this offseason. Maybe they should pay Ehlers the proper amount to keep him. Alternatively, maybe the Jets should take a gamble on their own version of the Rantanen trade and have their own version of a pivot if the guy doesn't want to sign.

What are they going to get for Ehlers after the season is over? A third round draft pick for his negotiating rights?

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Trotz tried some "Tulsky-like tactics".

Jets are 1st place in the league. Maybe it's Tulsky who should be trying some Chey-like tactics instead of shitting all over himself over Rantanen.

Trotz spent like a drunken sailor on bad UFA fits without a legitimate center to feed them anything. The Canes swung hard at a guy who legitimately could be considered a top-10 player. Comparing the Preds to the Canes is apples and oranges.

 

[Gm0ney]

Chevy has generally done a great job in Winnipeg, but simultaneously, imagine what Winnipeg would be like if Chevy started doing more Tulsky-like tactics. Maybe the way for Winnipeg to improve their reputation as a franchise would be if he was more aggressive. The Jets are going to have an insane amount of cap space this offseason. Maybe they should pay Ehlers the proper amount to keep him. Alternatively, maybe the Jets should take a gamble on their own version of the Rantanen trade and have their own version of a pivot if the guy doesn't want to sign.

Tulsky's been in the Carolina GM job for less than a year, so I'm not sure if he has an imitable style yet. Rantanen is his only big swing so far, and he quickly realized it wasn't working out, and he tried to fix it by shipping Rantanen to Dallas for Stankoven and picks.

Tulsky did trade down in the draft last year - sending Carolina's 1st (27th overall) to Chicago for two 2nd rounders (34th and 50th overall). Now that's a total math/stats guy move.

But if you mean take big swings, then Chevy's done that in the past. Last year with Monahan, and before that with Hayes and Stastny.

Now, I'm not so sure at all that Chevy would move as quickly to identify and try to fix a mistake as Tulsky did. TNSE's organizational DNA seems to include an overabundance of patience and loyalty (so maybe it's just not in the corporate DNA to take that much risk as Carolina did with Rantanen in the first place).

I think, just like Winnipeg not being a favored destination for many players, the corporate patience and loyalty is a double edged sword. Having a stable core of guys - so much so that Tanev's been gone for 6 years but still played with 8 of the guys on the current roster - has some team cohesion benefits...but also some drawbacks if you hang onto those guys for too long. Nobody turns over their roster slower than the Jets.

 

[avtarb]

Stfu already about Desired destination nonsense.. pieces that left here weren't good fits and Cancers in the locker room... we have most are roster on favorable contracts and had no problems getting guys to waive in the past... Chevy just doesn't fold and over pay like almost every other team.. u guys seem to think because we didn't land any major center in trades deadline it was because of your foolish delusions.. Chevy only had 2 guys in mind if that and other teams folded and over paid

 

[gojetsgo]

Stfu already about Desired destination nonsense.. pieces that left here weren't good fits and Cancers in the locker room... we have most are roster on favorable contracts and had no problems getting guys to waive in the past... Chevy just doesn't fold and over pay like almost every other team.. u guys seem to think because we didn't land any major center in trades deadline it was because of your foolish delusions.. Chevy only had 2 guys in mind if that and other teams folded and over paid

literally just had 3+ players not waive to come here at the deadline...

 

[Bob E]

What if the team does well in the playoffs, say a Finals berth but do not win the whole thing; however, Ehlers has a poor playoff points wise, do you sign him?

 

[TS Quint]

Trotz spent like a drunken sailor on bad UFA fits without a legitimate center to feed them anything. The Canes swung hard at a guy who legitimately could be considered a top-10 player. Comparing the Preds to the Canes is apples and oranges.

No.

Must be nice to look at the Preds off season moves in hindsight. In the moment there sure were a lot of people calling the Preds the off season champions. The Canes aquiring Rantenen is even worse. They only wanted Rantenen if he would sign long term. They swung blindly at guy who didn't want to be there resulting in downgrading their team. Jets or anyone could do that.

Both teams went for big moves and fell on their face. I'll take Chevy's first place team. If a player would prefer a playing for GMs who prefer headlines to proper team building and getting players that dont fit rather than a first place team, that's on them.

 

[Teppo Numenor]

What if the team does well in the playoffs, say a Finals berth but do not win the whole thing; however, Ehlers has a poor playoff points wise, do you sign him?

Yes tou sign him either way if he wants to sign

 

[tbcwpg]

No.

Must be nice to look at the Preds off season moves in hindsight. In the moment there sure were a lot of people calling the Preds the off season champions. The Canes aquiring Rantenen is even worse. They only wanted Rantenen if he would sign long term. They swung blindly at guy who didn't want to be there resulting in downgrading their team. Jets or anyone could do that.

Both teams went for big moves and fell on their face. I'll take Chevy's first place team. If a player would prefer a playing for GMs who prefer headlines to proper team building and getting players that dont fit rather than a first place team, that's on them.

I find it hard to blame the Canes, they were told Rantanen would be interested by his agent and it wasn't true.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

Test

 

[bustamente]

It will be interesting to revisit this thread if the Jets go out in the first round (hope not) and Nik walks to free agency and leaves (again hope not), have a feeling some heads will explode

 

[TS Quint]

I find it hard to blame the Canes, they were told Rantanen would be interested by his agent and it wasn't true.

I didn't see that. But if true it's another cautionary tale of upsetting your whole team for one guy who didn't help.

The Jets are 3rd in GF and have one of the best PPs Eeever! I don't see how Rantanen is going to help. There gets to be a point of diminishing returns.

At this point in the year I think it's about adding players who help fix specific problems. If you need to fix an area where you need a guy who plays 20+ minutes/game you have already lost.

 

[TS Quint]

It will be interesting to revisit this thread if the Jets go out in the first round (hope not) and Nik walks to free agency and leaves (again hope not), have a feeling some heads will explode

Oh yes the eternal rebuild people. It's time to win not build for the future.

 

[WaveRaven]

My head will explode. I would have moved him a long time ago to try and improve our center depth or RD. How many soft wingers do we need ?

 

[TS Quint]

What if the team does well in the playoffs, say a Finals berth but do not win the whole thing; however, Ehlers has a poor playoff points wise, do you sign him?

Yes buuuuut not for the same price. If he plays as bad as last year or he can't take the playoff punishment he becomes much less valuable because what's the goal here? If
The Sabres, Preds or what ever middling team wants to go all in and try to steal him away just to attempt to squeeze into the playoffs then that's their value proposition. I don't think the Jets have the same value. Also if Ehlers wants to be the man and play 20 minutes a night for a bunch of losers that's also a value the Jets can't match.

 

[oldwpgjet]

In Chevy We Trust . really don't think it matters what he does with Ehlers after playoffs. If he can sign a acceptable contract, then great. If not , we lose him But .. we have 2 or 3 pretty decent prospects ready to make the step up and a full regular season next year to season them. So , really a win win situation at forward anyways, Lambert, Chibrikov, and so future looks good with or without Ehlers. Yaeger and Barlow as well but probably with some AHL seasoning first. Defense is another story. I would like to see Stanley take another step forward and Heinola I have never been oversold on, especially size wise. so in the off season, if they go shopping, I would like to see them concentrate on D. Don't know anything on Salomonsson, I guess we will see how he pans out

 

[Flair Hay]

You would think if the Jets are interested in signing Ehlers, you would have heard something by now, from the Jets camp or Ehlers camp, like usually happens.

Because there is silence all around it tells me there’s uncertainty, and the Jets are going to use him as a rental, then make him an offer on what they think he’s worth.

Chevy is known for not paying top dollar, so unfortunately it’s looking like we lose Ehlers in free agency.

I believe the Jets will make him an offer, but likely will get lose out to a team, offering more $$

Quite likely the Jets are ok with Nik at around 7 to 7.5 mil, but unwilling to match the $ 9 mil he’ll get as a UFA.

I think it's all speculation that won't get settled until close to July, if at all now. No sense worrying about anything other than having a strong playoffs. Right now that's the only thing certain to benefit both sides.

 

[Crocket]

because were trying to win the stanley cup... I don't know why people expected him to be traded when it was very very very clear he wasn't going to be

Exactly. I'm sure Chevy had some calls. But we are trying to win now. So unless it was a trade to improve the team, not happening. Also, he might not walk for nothing. It's a risk you take.

 

[Duke749]

When was the last time a team moved a significant piece while being first in the league??

 

[robertocarlos]

Players should play where they make the most money. If the Jets win the Cup then some of the current Jets have given up 10s of millions of dollars to play here. However, a bird in hand is worth two in the bush.

Ehlers has a chance of winning the Cup and getting paid. That's like having your cake and eating it too. Two cakes!

 

[voyageur]

Chevy has generally done a great job in Winnipeg, but simultaneously, imagine what Winnipeg would be like if Chevy started doing more Tulsky-like tactics. Maybe the way for Winnipeg to improve their reputation as a franchise would be if he was more aggressive. The Jets are going to have an insane amount of cap space this offseason. Maybe they should pay Ehlers the proper amount to keep him. Alternatively, maybe the Jets should take a gamble on their own version of the Rantanen trade and have their own version of a pivot if the guy doesn't want to sign.

I don't think there is the same type of relationship between owner and GM in Carolina as there is in Winnipeg. Chevy has been trusted with the process for a long time. And I think he's been drafting forward heavy in recent years for the eventuality that this moment could come to fruition, where at the very least the Jets have prospects in Chibrikov, Lambert and Barlow that could fill the void to some extent, or at the very least be trade chips to fill the void.

Bottom line in Winnipeg is making the playoffs. And I believe the Jets looked at Ehlers trade in the offseason, and did not get an offer that filled his skates. He didn't have a great season, or playoff to boost his value, and the hernia talk probably made other GMs gun shy. That is speculation though. The Jets weren't in the same position they were with Dubois and Trouba going into the last year's of their contracts, as RFAs with arbitration rights, and the potential for holdouts, so there wasn't an immense pressure to get a deal done. Ehlers by all accounts likes the team, and gets along with his teammates, which wasn't the case for the other 2. So they went with the guy who gave them a better chance of making the playoffs, and not only that, selling some seats, which was in decline, as one of the more popular players among fans.