Elks: Edmonton Eskimos 2019 v5

[Tyrolean]

Get Chris Jones back ..

 

[MoontoScott]

Yeah, it doesn’t even seem like a possibility really and for the reasons you mentioned. It’s not just the salary cap on coaches, that in itself probably prevents them from doing it even if they wanted to but even if that wasn’t an issue what would concern me the most is a lack of suitable replacements. Most of the guys who’d be on that list are getting up in years. Anybody know how long Maas’s contract runs for? At this point I’d be concerned that might even be an issue in replacing him this off season if it were to still count against the coaches cap.

I think Maas has one more year left on his deal. I assume there might be a buy-out clause for less than a full year's salary but that's just a guess.

If it was my call I would fire Maas this week and put Lolley in charge of the team until the end of the season. As for the offence, the team knows the playbook by now (I would hope) and I think Tucker has done a good job with the receivers so let him run the offence the rest of the way. He certainly couldn't do any worse in terms of play calling and he might bring some element of imagination to this sorry mess. I also sense that he's more intelligent and controlled than Maas.

I understand all the reasons that you shouldn't do this before the season ends but to me there has to be a point where a message is sent to the fans. We want to win and its not too late to salvage the season assuming that Ottawa doesn't go on a big winning streak.

In terms of talent there is not much difference between the Western clubs. Why flush 2019 away unless you absolutely have to? Of course, if Harris is out long term then the odds get a bit worse but this is a chance to see Briscoe who is the QB hopeful of the future.

Yeah, 90% probability it won't happen but dare to dream I guess. Such frustration for an organization that has so much in the way of resources compared to most of the league.

 

[MoontoScott]

Well that was a waste money. But a nice night to watch some football.

Some pretty girls I hope? You have to get something for your money.

 

[Drivesaitl]

To think people were hoping to see what the backup QB looked like. Kilgour is awful and that's been seen before.Was never that impressed with him. lol at his meager attempt to get into the endzone on one play. he thought he was there. Then scampered to the sidelines like he was going to get killed.

That play typifies this Eskimos team. A Streveler would bash his way into the endzone on that play. Maybe even a current Reilly. But harris or Killorn? Forget it. Soon as any defender is in sight the play is over, which pretty much describes our entire offense of zero playbreakers or gamebreakers.

This team exists to give faint impressions of being around, of being close. This team can't beat any credible opponent and can't dig deep.

Finally, a D that was entirely revamped, that showed a lot of positive signs earlier in the season has mostly given up. You don't get a ton of leadership on the field when most of the players are new to the team and there is limited nucleus of vet players. This team has no winning identity.

edit Killorn? lol I made up a no name QB

 

[Kyle McMahon]

This game ended the second we kicked a field goal from the 2 yard line. Walked away from the TV in disgust after that happened, no surprise that it indeed proved to be the turning point by the looks of things.

This season is finished. We'll still make the playoffs since Ottawa is just that awful, but there is zero chance this organization beats either Montreal or Hamilton in a playoff game. Nice to see 40,000 people made it out last night. True to form, this club just slaps them all in the face with their usual pathetic Labour Day/Rematch efforts. What's Maas' record against Calgary now? 1-10? How many times have we been swept by Calgary now? 10 times in 12 years?

Retroactively, the Ottawa game we narrowly won was the beginning of the end. The fact that we needed a red-zone defensive stand to escape with a 16-12 win at home over a team that just had 90 points scored on them in the two games following that one is very, very damning of this offense. Utterly amazing that people still think, or ever thought, that Jason Maas was any sort of "great offensive mind". Steve McAdoo and Jacques Chapdelaine (oh look at that, two other idiots we previously employed) are the only two guys in the league that I wouldn't immediately select over Maas to run an offense.

 

[Drivesaitl]

That Ottawa game was disgusting. This team has really been playing poorly now for a longtime. I can't remember the last game where they were all that impressive. Beating up on weak teams is it.

When have the Esks last won a big game. Did they win a big one even last season?

Gawd its hopeless being an Edmonton sports fan.

At least Andreescu gave us something to cheer for.

In other news the Oilers beat themselves in scrimmage at the Community Ice Rink. News at 11.

 

[Drivesaitl]

The Stampeders are the New England Patriots of the CFL. There, I said it

Hardly. We can't beat any of Winnipeg, Sask, Calgary, and the Stamps would be mired in 4th except for beating us for fun any game played.

One gets the impression we could play 10 games against any of these teams and not be able to eke out one win.

 

[Stoneman89]

Well, I feel bad for you guys. Have tons of talent but got outcoached...and out reffed. The refs couldn’t have been more one-sided-it is appalling.

Ridiculous thought. Reffing was the least of this teams problems last night.

 

[Stoneman89]

Well, from my observations, this team had a limited chance with Harris at the helm. Kilgore did exactly what he's done in his previous playing time in this league - suck. He came in with 10 Int's vs 2 TD's and added to the Int total. Absolutely useless, and unless he's a magician with the clipboard or signaling in plays, I have no idea why they brought this cannon fodder in as a backup. This organization used to be the best at identifying young college QB's that would be a great fit in this league, but I think Masoli was the last one I can remember, and he never lasted a couple seasons here. Now, we manage to dig up chopped liver from even the crappiest teams.

I cannot believe that Jason Maas still has a job at this point. I couldn't believe it 2 year ago, and again at the end of last year. And here we are with another dysfunctional team, the most undisciplined in the league again, and now fighting amongst themselves. Embarrassing. And Brock Sunderland has been the architect of last years disaster, and now this years epic collapse. He should be looking over his shoulder as well.

 

[Stoneman89]

Three games in a row without getting a sack. Even a sniff of one. I sense this team has lost faith and is giving up.

 

[ThePhoenixx]

Three games in a row without getting a sack. Even a sniff of one. I sense this team has lost faith and is giving up.

 

[Kyle McMahon]

That Ottawa game was disgusting. This team has really been playing poorly now for a longtime. I can't remember the last game where they were all that impressive. Beating up on weak teams is it.

When have the Esks last won a big game. Did they win a big one even last season?

Gawd its hopeless being an Edmonton sports fan.

At least Andreescu gave us something to cheer for.

In other news the Oilers beat themselves in scrimmage at the Community Ice Rink. News at 11.

They did win the Rematch last year, after not quite being able to blow a 20 point lead in the 4th quarter.

Went back and checked into Maas' head coaching record against what would be considered strong teams. Basically teams that finished the season (or will likely finish this season) with a winning record, and weren't missing their starting QB or resting starters in the last game of the year.

7-19. 7 and f***ing 19.

13-3 against the Als and Argos though. Bravo.

 

[MoontoScott]

I looked at some of the old press releases and yes, Maas signed a new 3 year contract after his infamous Western Final call in 2017.

I don't know if that was an "extension" (tacked on to his original deal) but either way it looks like he is under contract until at least the end of the 2020 season.

Given the cap rules for coaches it might be (as someone above suggested) that you can't move him until the end of the 2020 season- at the earliest. Yikes.

Such a dumb management decision after that Western Final fiasco. Definitely a mistake by the rookie GM but Rhodes had last call and should have advised the less experienced person that such a new contract was unwise. Another addition to Rhode's legacy.

Like myself and so many others have stated, bring in all the new players you want but don't expect any stellar results with the coaches we have here.

 

[bellagiobob]

 

[Stoneman89]

Some much needed good news on yet another crappy, cold and rainy summer day after yet another stinker of an Eskimo performance.

 

[rboomercat90]

To think people were hoping to see what the backup QB looked like. Kilgour is awful and that's been seen before.Was never that impressed with him. lol at his meager attempt to get into the endzone on one play. he thought he was there. Then scampered to the sidelines like he was going to get killed.

That play typifies this Eskimos team. A Streveler would bash his way into the endzone on that play. Maybe even a current Reilly. But harris or Killorn? Forget it. Soon as any defender is in sight the play is over, which pretty much describes our entire offense of zero playbreakers or gamebreakers.

This team exists to give faint impressions of being around, of being close. This team can't beat any credible opponent and can't dig deep.

Finally, a D that was entirely revamped, that showed a lot of positive signs earlier in the season has mostly given up. You don't get a ton of leadership on the field when most of the players are new to the team and there is limited nucleus of vet players. This team has no winning identity.

edit Killorn? lol I made up a no name QB

I’ve been calling for back up quarterbacks to get playing time for three seasons. Not because I thought they were better options for Reilly or now Harris but because I think the team needs to find out what they have in these guys under fire in game conditions before they bring them back for another season. We got lucky here for years that Reilly was as durable as he was but that luck could have run out at any time. It least the team has a better idea of who Kilgore is now.

 

[Cloned]

That’s good news but I don’t think the defence is where they need help. The team badly needs another good receiver.

 

[Stoneman89]

That’s good news but I don’t think the defence is where they need help. The team badly needs another good receiver.

We haven't had a sniff of a sack for a month, and teams have been running roughshod over us. We need help everywhere.

 

[Cloned]

We haven't had a sniff of a sack for a month, and teams have been running roughshod over us. We need help everywhere.

I’m not really sure who he bumps from the lineup though. Maybe they’ll line him up at DE.

 

[Del Preston]

Rick Campbell is gonna get fired.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Rumor has it, Maas is even getting out coached in practice.

 

[guymez]

Pulled this off of another site...a poster named PDO posted this regarding Ed Hervey...wow...

"• Small league. We all talk. The coaches at B.C. tell us they’re tired of being bullied and threatened by (Ed) Hervey. When we were in Edmonton with Chris (Jones), that guy (Hervey) changed moods every day. Chris just said, ‘**** him. Ignore him.’ In B.C. they can’t."
"• I’d take (Bryan) Chui as my o-line coach before I’d take (Ed) Hervey as my GM any day. At the end of the day, B.C. is worse than they were last year, and they have the guy who used to be the best QB in the league. Blame the coaches all he wants, but people in the league know who the incompetent one is in B.C."
"• I’m sure his mom loves him, but (Ed Hervey) is not a man I’d work for. He’s the exact opposite of what you want in a leader. Leaders take responsibility for their actions, not deflect it from their poor mismanagement."
"• We could play Montreal in the playoffs. Not sure yet, but B.C. won’t be playing us or anyone in the playoffs. Who thought that would happen before the season? **** like paying Duron Carter more than they offered their own free agent, Bo Lokombo, has caught up with the Lions."

If there is any truth to this at all its little wonder why Chris Jones jumped ship when he did.

 

[guymez]

Deleted duplicate post.

 

[Jumptheshark]

What the hell has gone wrong this year

 

[MoontoScott]

Pulled this off of another site...a poster named PDO posted this regarding Ed Hervey...wow...



If there is any truth to this at all its little wonder why Chris Jones jumped ship when he did.

I am not in the least bit surprised having read this. Ed always creeped me out. Jones was tough on players but ultimately had some respect for them. Not so with this other dude and yet some EE fans still worship him. One more example of someone who should never have been hired in the first place.