Proposal: Edmonton 1st 2022 and 2023
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Stewie Griffin
What the deuce
San Jose will give you Hill and Vlasic and we will take both of those firsts.
Captain97
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Under 30 dmen like the one you described is basically younger chiarot with term. If chiarot is expected to being in a late 1st (based on seveal reports)
What are you adding to the 1st to get better chiarot with term?
What are you adding to the 1st to get better chiarot with term?
I don't care what reports has to say . Chiarot isn't worth a 1st . How do the so call insiders know ? They are guessing . It isn't like a GM told them I am offering a 1st for him . Chiarot is slow and useless . This came out of some Montreal fans own mouths .
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Arthur Morgan
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teams dont usually shop their good goalies unless they want out. what you guys need will be expensive. chances are you will have to take a chance at the cost of a 1st++ on a backup thats playing well and due for a raise
you could be going down that long road like the Leafs did.
so good luck.
you could be going down that long road like the Leafs did.
so good luck.
I’d think a guy like Sanheim might be had for our 1st + Samorukov. He’s still got another year on his contract.
You aren't getting either of the things you just asked for, for the prices you seem to think.
Captain97
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Yeah and Chiarot gets undo hate, he is a 2nd paring pylhyscial defenseman and the point isn't your opinion of Chiarot. Let say Savard last year instead.
Savard got more than a 1st, Chiarot is rumored to go for a 1st. You want someone who is better then either, younger and has more term.
A late 1st doesn't get you a sub 30 top 4 dman with term. What are you adding to get that, cause that add determines the quality of guy you are getting.
dumbdick
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I think the sens might make a good trade partner for a tender.
Option 1:
Matt Murray for Tyson Barrie - Murray seems to finally be turning it around and has been great for us lately (.920 SV% in 6 GP since Dec 1). Still risky since he has not been consistently playing to his salary. $6.25M Cap Hit on two more seasons after this one. I don't know enough about Barrie's play, but we could potentially sweeten here. Maybe hold off until the trade deadline so that Murray can demonstrate that he can sustain his recent strong play for a longer stretch. Sens management seems to be hitching their wagon to him, but that might be more necessity than choice.
Option 2:
Anton Forsberg (.912 SV% on 16 GP for a defensively not so great sens team) for a pick. 25th in the league for sv% (10+ games). He's not worth a 1st obviously. This is the last year left on his $900K deal. He has had some monster performances this season, but also a couple weak games.
Option 1:
Matt Murray for Tyson Barrie - Murray seems to finally be turning it around and has been great for us lately (.920 SV% in 6 GP since Dec 1). Still risky since he has not been consistently playing to his salary. $6.25M Cap Hit on two more seasons after this one. I don't know enough about Barrie's play, but we could potentially sweeten here. Maybe hold off until the trade deadline so that Murray can demonstrate that he can sustain his recent strong play for a longer stretch. Sens management seems to be hitching their wagon to him, but that might be more necessity than choice.
Option 2:
Anton Forsberg (.912 SV% on 16 GP for a defensively not so great sens team) for a pick. 25th in the league for sv% (10+ games). He's not worth a 1st obviously. This is the last year left on his $900K deal. He has had some monster performances this season, but also a couple weak games.
Matt Murray has two years left after this one @ $6.25 Million AAV. You want the Oilers to take on a goalie who has strung together a few good games over the past three years? That is an anchor of a contract, and much too high for too little success for anyone to take on. I can't see him having any value to Edmonton.
Anton Forsberg was claimed off of waivers by Ottawa. Edmonton had some interest in him before when they signed him to a one year deal. He doesn't really command much of a return from anyone IMHO.
Djp
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chirot is the type of D that historically gets a 2nd+ prospect/ additional pick .
I can go through trades of the last20 years that proves this point.
the only ones that tend to get a 1st are your UFA to be top Line D or those with term.
Captain97
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ManofSteel55
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Not interested in Murray at all, but Barrie would be a good fit in Ottawa. We'd need a bottom pair RD (Brown maybe) as part of the deal, what else could Ottawa offer? We could still use a starting goalie (again, please not Murray), and bottom six forwards that are upgrades on what we have.
Mike Dukarm
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The problem Oilers dont have cap space to get that Def (a stay at home physical LD signed for 2 years or longer), the same problem for that Goalie...
Which player will go the other way: Barrie, Keith, Nugent...
ManofSteel55
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Doesn't have to be a LD, it can be a RD as well. There will need to be money out on any trades. If its for a goalie, its Koskinen and our 1st out for a goalie I'm sure.
ole ole
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I think Chairot would be the perfect fit. Say your 2022 1st and a little something else added for Chairot at 50% retention.
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ole ole
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I don't care what you think. Reports are Chairot is worth a 1st. Your 1st at that.
I would take a look at Matt Murray but Ottawa would have to retain some money.
Melnyk would probably save a big chunk of cash even with retention as Murray is owed 7 and 8 million in real dollars the next two years.
Matt Murray @1.5 million retained with Kassian or Barrie going back the other way ... I'd be willing to look at it but the motivation for Melnyk/Ottawa is to save some actual cash, not to get some big asset back.
GreeningOil
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This might be the worst proposal, that doesn’t include McDrai I have ever seen.
domiwroze
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Allen should be an option here.
If not, try to pry Wolf, Samsonov, Etc. Young wolves that still have to prove themselves.
IF NOT, well, offer something like Colorado did for a Kuemper level goalie.
P.S : Chiarot is a great fit for your team, just sign and trade and MTL is willing to hold salary on anyone they will trade from now on.
If not, try to pry Wolf, Samsonov, Etc. Young wolves that still have to prove themselves.
IF NOT, well, offer something like Colorado did for a Kuemper level goalie.
P.S : Chiarot is a great fit for your team, just sign and trade and MTL is willing to hold salary on anyone they will trade from now on.
dumbdick
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Yeah. That's a kind of deal that I think the sens would be looking to make. I think there's a good chance that Murray returns to reasonable form and plays like a $4-$5m tender for the rest of the contract. Our management seems willing to just gamble on that happening, but we could gamble a lot cheaper with our goalie prospect depth.
We'd probably be interested in Kassian more than Barrie due to style of play. But it would be a negative value trade so we would be adding or retaining to make it work.
It's the kind of deal that we could get hosed on because Murray is playing like his old self right now, but goalies are just expensive gambles and I'd be willing to pay to avoid it.
It's unlikely Edmonton trade for Chiarot
Montreal will likely trade Chiarot for a 1st rd pick 22
Montreal will likely trade Chiarot for a 1st rd pick 22
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IWantSakicAsMyGM
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I agree that a 1st isn't enough mid-season, but the Avs recently got Devon Toews for a couple of 2nds. If the Oilers miss the playoffs (they are essentially in a 3 way tie for the 2nd wild card spot, based on P%), I could see a team with a cap crunch potentially being very happy to get a mid-first in return for a guy they can't afford to keep.
