Confirmed Trade: [EDM/STL] Yakupov for Zach Pochiro + Cndl 2017 3rd (becomes 2018 2nd if Yak hits 15G)

[TheGreat]

Sticky this post.

there was also posts about how Hall was unavailable (or for a ridiculous amount that no team would pay ) or for what was a Top Pairing RHD Dmen in his prime on long term contract and on how Yakupov was going to bounce back this year or last , that his work ethic was amazing , he plays hard etc

It goes both ways its just how it goes on HF Boards

 

[Not Sure]

Now we're being told we should have purposefully iced an inferior roster? **** that.

This was a good trade for our team as well, guys who are earning spots stick around. What good would it have done to put Yak in the press box? It would have been nothing but a headache for our team.

I like where we are heading and the type of players on our roster.

You're not allowed to like the Oilers, didn't you get the memo? Everyone has to hate them and they aren't allowed to make moves OR do nothing. They can only be talked about as the worst team in the league, and any player who goes there instantly becomes a worse player.

My God people, should we start pulling people posts from the past year and see how many complaining about the return were saying Yak will never have any value? If it's such a bad trade everyone should be ecstatic that Edmonton will be bad again and won't challenge your favorite team for a playoff spot.

 

[Flyerss]

and to think some people believed the Sanheim/Yakupov rumors that Eklund started

 

[McFlyingV]

and to think some people believed the Sanheim/Yakupov rumors that Eklund started

I don't think anyone sane actually believed that. I know on the Oiler board I never saw anyone who actually thought there was any hope in hell of that deal happening.

 

[vcanuck]

who the hell is Pochiro lol

 

[snipes]

You're not allowed to like the Oilers, didn't you get the memo? Everyone has to hate them and they aren't allowed to make moves OR do nothing. They can only be talked about as the worst team in the league, and any player who goes there instantly becomes a worse player.

My God people, should we start pulling people posts from the past year and see how many complaining about the return were saying Yak will never have any value? If it's such a bad trade everyone should be ecstatic that Edmonton will be bad again and won't challenge your favorite team for a playoff spot.

Apparently. Thanks for being a reasonable and level headed poster, we've chatted a few times before.

If people actually took the time to look at our roster and the way it is being assembled, we are far better than we have been in a very long time. We're trying to win and compete, how would it have made sense to not ice the best roster possible for our team in our situation? Some people are actually ridiculing us because we didn't purposeful put out a weaker lineup.

Put up or shut up time for the Oilers. They need to go out and prove it, I'm happy with the way our team has been assembled compared to years past. No predictions as to results, but I think we'll play better hockey this year.

 

[Not Sure]

there was also posts about how Hall was unavailable (or for a ridiculous amount that no team would pay ) or for what was a Top Pairing RHD Dmen in his prime on long term contract and on how Yakupov was going to bounce back this year or last , that his work ethic was amazing , he plays hard etc

It goes both ways its just how it goes on HF Boards

Oh there was for sure, but let's call a spade a spade. There weren't too many people with avatars of Matthews or a Maple Leaf under their user name over valuing Hall and Yakapov. That is until they were traded.

 

[vcanuck]

Somehow Chiarelli, Benning and Sweeney led a management team that won a cup. Kind of underscores how the Canucks lost a Stanley Cup. Boston was lucky.

Is there a worse GM at trading than these three right now?

damn right they were. the team that Vancouver iced in game 7 was no where near the team that dominated the league the entire year.



im still bitter

 

[Not Sure]

Apparently. Thanks for being a reasonable and level headed poster, we've chatted a few times before.

If people actually took the time to look at our roster and the way it is being assembled, we are far better than we have been in a very long time. We're trying to win and compete, how would it have made sense to not ice the best roster possible for our team in our situation? Some people are actually ridiculing us because we didn't purposeful put out a weaker lineup.

Put up or shut up time for the Oilers. They need to go out and prove it, I'm happy with the way our team has been assembled compared to years past. No predictions as to results, but I think we'll play better hockey this year.

Like I said, I'm by no means an Oilers fan. In fact I didn't have much of an opinion about them at all until they stole McDavid from us then I outright disliked them and even whined about lottery rules a bit. That said people who complain the most about them icing the same team year after year just adding a young high pick are the same ones laughing at them for actually trying to improve, and that's just not fair.

 

[McFlyingV]

Like I said, I'm by no means an Oilers fan. In fact I didn't have much of an opinion about them at all until they stole McDavid from us then I outright disliked them and even whined about lottery rules a bit. That said people who complain the most about them icing the same team year after year just adding a young high pick are the same ones laughing at them for actually trying to improve, and that's just not fair.

Surely we can get along. We gave you Risto, you gave us McDavid In all seriousness though Eichel is going to be a great #1C

 

[Not Sure]

Surely we can get along. We gave you Risto, you gave us McDavid In all seriousness though Eichel is going to be a great #1C

I was mad for 2 seconds, then realized "oh wait, we're still guaranteed Eichel and we won't see McDavid in an important game until the cup round." I'm still not a fan of Edmonton, but I can respect a team trying to do what they think is right, the hell what the media and talking heads think. It may blow up in their faces, but we already know what doing nothing has done for them. Just glad to see teams that are supposed to improve improving.

Even if you think they lost both trades by a lot, the had Puljujarvi fall in their lap and added a player who knows what it takes to win in Lucic. Even if he's half the player he was the past few years he can at least step up in the locker room and demand respect. The best players aren't always the best leaders, and while McDavid will be a good captain he wasn't going to be the guy to tell a veteran to shut up, or tell one of his peers what to do, Lucic seems like the guy who will. I remember a story about how once Gretzky tried to yell at the team and Messier told him to sit down, that's the guy you need to go on a playoff run or just to hold things together in a long season.

 

[tjs*]

"If we can't get at least a first round pick for him, we'll just hold on to him until he bounces back."-Oilers fans trade threads circa 2014

"We're not moving Yakupov for a 2nd round pick. That's stupid. Why would we sell low?"-Oilers fans trade threads circa 2015

"Trading Yakupov for a third would be stupid......we can get so much more when he bounces back."Oilers fans trade threads circa 2016

"Who the hell is Zach Pochiro"-Oilers fans OCT 2016

Yeah, it's just a shame the Lightning didn't trade Drouin for him when they had the chance.

 

[McFlyingV]

I was mad for 2 seconds, then realized "oh wait, we're still guaranteed Eichel and we won't see McDavid in an important game until the cup round." I'm still not a fan of Edmonton, but I can respect a team trying to do what they think is right, the hell what the media and talking heads think. It may blow up in their faces, but we already know what doing nothing has done for them. Just glad to see teams that are supposed to improve improving.

Even if you think they lost both trades by a lot, the had Puljujarvi fall in their lap and added a player who knows what it takes to win in Lucic. Even if he's half the player he was the past few years he can at least step up in the locker room and demand respect. The best players aren't always the best leaders, and while McDavid will be a good captain he wasn't going to be the guy to tell a veteran to shut up, or tell one of his peers what to do, Lucic seems like the guy who will. I remember a story about how once Gretzky tried to yell at the team and Messier told him to sit down, that's the guy you need to go on a playoff run or just to hold things together in a long season.

Honestly I've been ok with all of his moves aside from Reinhart, and even that move doesn't bother me a whole ton. When he got here Yakupov already had little value so I didnt expect him to somehow get value for him. Sure we lost a bit of value in the Hall trade, but we got a good D back who looks like he's going to be the perfect partner for Klefbom on the top pair. It really doesn't hurt losing Yak because at this point I won't be surprised at all if Caggiula and even Slepyshev become better players than him. Caggiula is everything Yak is missing in his game (hint: its between the ears).

 

[behemolari]

"If we can't get at least a first round pick for him, we'll just hold on to him until he bounces back."-Oilers fans trade threads circa 2014

"We're not moving Yakupov for a 2nd round pick. That's stupid. Why would we sell low?"-Oilers fans trade threads circa 2015

"Trading Yakupov for a third would be stupid......we can get so much more when he bounces back."Oilers fans trade threads circa 2016

"Who the hell is Zach Pochiro"-Oilers fans OCT 2016

"Yakupov? Hall? Who cares we have a new toy"

After Puljujärvi joining

 

[WildWolfdog]

"If we can't get at least a first round pick for him, we'll just hold on to him until he bounces back."-Oilers fans trade threads circa 2014

"We're not moving Yakupov for a 2nd round pick. That's stupid. Why would we sell low?"-Oilers fans trade threads circa 2015

"Trading Yakupov for a third would be stupid......we can get so much more when he bounces back."Oilers fans trade threads circa 2016

"Who the hell is Zach Pochiro"-Oilers fans OCT 2016

 

[PsychoDad]

damn right they were. the team that Vancouver iced in game 7 was no where near the team that dominated the league the entire year.



im still bitter

Good thing Boston had Savard and Horton in the finals. Oh wait, they didn't.

 

[PsychoDad]

The preseason probably sealed his fate. I don't understand why Yak is not improving because the effort clearly seems to be there.

 

[behemolari]

The preseason probably sealed his fate. I don't understand why Yak is not improving because the effort clearly seems to be there.

Competition, Yak is no exception there is lot of young skillfull players who had been struggled to get things going on (2010 era), it's more difficult than people realise and lot more difficult than before to break in

 

[Not Sure]

The preseason probably sealed his fate. I don't understand why Yak is not improving because the effort clearly seems to be there.

I haven't watched him play a ton, but everytime I have one thing has stood out. He doesn't know where the hell to go, ever. He's like that guy in NHL 17 who plays career mode as a winger but has no idea how the position is played so he skates around with the turbo pressed down chasing the puck. Maybe it's a lost in translation thing, maybe it's bad coaching, he just doesn't know where he's supposed to go, where his outlet passes are, where he should be covering on defense, where the play is heading, he basically doesn't know hockey. You know that one cousin you have who has never really taken hockey as a serious sport? He's that guy sitting next to you on the couch asking what offsides mean, what's an icing, why is the puck dropped next to the goalie instead of at center etc.

 

[ModryJazyk]

“He plays like a guy being chased by a swarm of bees,†someone once said.

All over the place, all the time. Now he’s in St. Louis, and in the annals of hockey lore, Yakupov sidles up next to Alexandre Daigle as one of the worst No. 1 overall picks in National Hockey League history.

Offensively, defensively, off the ice with his teammates… Nobody ever knew where to find Nail Yakupov. There was no system he could follow, no traditional path to success he could be led down.

Coach after coach told him where to go to support the puck, but when support was required he was somewhere else. They ringed the puck around the boards to the place he was supposed to be, but Yakupov was never there when it arrived, for reasons unknown.

They coached him on where to go when the puck was in the offensive zone, but too often when his centreman looked up to pass him the puck, he was elsewhere. It was like he had learned only to score as a junior in Sarnia, but somehow never to play hockey.

Teammates invited him to dinner with the boys. He most often had something else to do.

just stopped here to say congrats to Blues who just acquired the new 8-goal scorer.

 

[McFlyingV]

I haven't watched him play a ton, but everytime I have one thing has stood out. He doesn't know where the hell to go, ever. He's like that guy in NHL 17 who plays career mode as a winger but has no idea how the position is played so he skates around with the turbo pressed down chasing the puck. Maybe it's a lost in translation thing, maybe it's bad coaching, he just doesn't know where he's supposed to go, where his outlet passes are, where he should be covering on defense, where the play is heading, he basically doesn't know hockey. You know that one cousin you have who has never really taken hockey as a serious sport? He's that guy sitting next to you on the couch asking what offsides mean, what's an icing, why is the puck dropped next to the goalie instead of at center etc.

Its exactly it. Yak tries hard, but he doesn't have a very good hockey mind, he just doesn't get it. Has all the physical tools, just no brains on the ice. He can't process the game consistently at NHL speeds and often just gets lost on assignments. Caggiula at this point is looking like everything that Yakupov is missing. A smaller, speedy, hardworking forward with a good shot, except Caggiula reads the game exceptionally well on both ends of the ice and displays much better vision. I think his play in preseason really solidified the end of Yakupov in Edmonton. They were done trying and hoping that Yakupov turned into that player because it looks like they just found that type of player out of college free agency.

 

[Not Sure]

“He plays like a guy being chased by a swarm of bees,” someone once said.

All over the place, all the time. Now he’s in St. Louis, and in the annals of hockey lore, Yakupov sidles up next to Alexandre Daigle as one of the worst No. 1 overall picks in National Hockey League history.

Offensively, defensively, off the ice with his teammates… Nobody ever knew where to find Nail Yakupov. There was no system he could follow, no traditional path to success he could be led down.

Coach after coach told him where to go to support the puck, but when support was required he was somewhere else. They ringed the puck around the boards to the place he was supposed to be, but Yakupov was never there when it arrived, for reasons unknown.

They coached him on where to go when the puck was in the offensive zone, but too often when his centreman looked up to pass him the puck, he was elsewhere. It was like he had learned only to score as a junior in Sarnia, but somehow never to play hockey.

Teammates invited him to dinner with the boys. He most often had something else to do.

just stopped here to say congrats to Blues who just acquired the new 8-goal scorer.

Is it just me who can actually picture Yakapov being told by coaches that the right winger doesn't actually switch to the right side when you turn around, and him just having an epiphany. Like bells and whistles going off with a unicorn rearing up in his head, and all of a sudden he becomes an 80 point player. It's like every coach he ever had assumed he knew how to play hockey because he was racking up points and trying hard, but no one sat him down and taught him the game. Once he got to Edmonton the coaching quality went down hill from juniors until last year.

 

[McFlyingV]

I thought Kruger was a good coach, but Eakins was awful for Yak's development. Probably the worst coach to ever coach in the NHL.

 

[sportsdynasty]

They really should of kept him at that return. The backlash could be terrible if Yakupov finds his game.

Good birthday present non the less

They could not keep Yakupov. Yakupov demanded a trade. He's bad for dressing room after that.

 

[gretskidoo]

there was also posts about how Hall was unavailable (or for a ridiculous amount that no team would pay ) or for what was a Top Pairing RHD Dmen in his prime on long term contract and on how Yakupov was going to bounce back this year or last , that his work ethic was amazing , he plays hard etc

It goes both ways its just how it goes on HF Boards

Yeah, they should've at least got someone like a soon to be 24 year RH 2D signed for another 5 years at only 1 million more cap-hit than Kris Russel just got.

How very wrong they were.