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[ManofSteel55]

Deharnais wasnt a warm pressbox guy until playoffs where Broberg came in. If he was that bad, Canucks would not have signed him

One team signing a player isn't a sign that he is particularly good. Desharnais is what he is - a pk specialist who can clear the front of the net and win battles along the boards. Anything else he does isn't impressive. He became a press box guy in the playoffs because he wasn't good enough to contribute positively in the playoffs. He was being exposed. Broberg came in, in hopes that he could stablize that spot, and he did well there. Desharnais is a good #6 defenseman, and always works hard, so it would have been nice to keep him, but at $2M, he's probably overpaid by .5M.

Borgen will probably be better. Doesn't have a NTC, is cheaper meaning you can get him without retaining, and is a good puckmoving defensive player.

As an Oiler fan, I have all sorts of time for Borgen. He's probably the best of the realistic targets. I'm hoping Seattle struggles this year and decides to move him.

 

[MessierII]

One team signing a player isn't a sign that he is particularly good. Desharnais is what he is - a pk specialist who can clear the front of the net and win battles along the boards. Anything else he does isn't impressive. He became a press box guy in the playoffs because he wasn't good enough to contribute positively in the playoffs. He was being exposed. Broberg came in, in hopes that he could stablize that spot, and he did well there. Desharnais is a good #6 defenseman, and always works hard, so it would have been nice to keep him, but at $2M, he's probably overpaid by .5M.

Had we known we’d be losing broberg we would 100% pay Vinny the 2 mil. Him and Kulak were fantastic together. He only started to struggle when he was moved up to play with nurse because nurse and Ceci were just that bad. Knowing how the rest of the summer transpired I would take Vinny back in a heartbeat even at 2 mil.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Had we known we’d be losing broberg we would 100% pay Vinny the 2 mil. Him and Kulak were fantastic together. He only started to struggle when he was moved up to play with nurse because nurse and Ceci were just that bad. Knowing how the rest of the summer transpired I would take Vinny back in a heartbeat even at 2 mil.

I agree, we would have kept him if we knew, but I still think its an overpayment for a #6 PK specialist. A mild one, at 500K or less. I just think its funny that people as suggesting we are doomed because we lost him. We was a solid hand, as he will be in Vancouver, but one the big loss was Ceci on the 2nd pair, which we were going to have to fix sooner or later anyway.

 

[nturn06]

Deharnais wasnt a warm pressbox guy until playoffs where Broberg came in. If he was that bad, Canucks would not have signed him

I said the number 6 (Deharnais), which is easily replaceble and a warm pressbox guy. That's two D-men, both easily replaceable.

 

[MessierII]

I agree, we would have kept him if we knew, but I still think it’s an overpayment for a #6 PK specialist. A mild one, at 500K or less. I just think its funny that people as suggesting we are doomed because we lost him. We was a solid hand, as he will be in Vancouver, but one the big loss was Ceci on the 2nd pair, which we were going to have to fix sooner or later anyway.

Yeah replacing Ceci was a need already last year. This year it can at least be our sole focus because the forwards are stacked.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Yeah replacing Ceci was a need already last year. This year it can at least be our sole focus because the forwards are stacked.

Exactly. I'd say the only places Edmonton has to fill this season, unless someone grossly underperforms or is injured, are Ceci's old spot, and 4C. Maybe 4 RW, depending on Perry's play and if nobody else can take over internally.

 

[Three On Zero]

Deharnais wasnt a warm pressbox guy until playoffs where Broberg came in. If he was that bad, Canucks would not have signed him

VD is pretty bad, but he’s an above average PKer. With that being said he will be a victim of allowing 5on5 goals but helping to stop goals against on the PK.

 

[bucks_oil]

VD is pretty bad, but he’s an above average PKer. With that being said he will be a victim of allowing 5on5 goals but helping to stop goals against on the PK.

After two NHL seasons, Vinny's 5v5 goals against/60 were 1.8 and 1.7 respectively.

He is excellent at goal suppression 5v5 as long as you get him out there against players where he isn't above his head. In the playoffs he's struggled, because his lack of agility gets exposed when opposition deliberately matches him up against speedsters (he's actually VERY FAST in straight away speed, but he turns like a cargo ship).

I was a big fan of Desharnais... wish we'd kept him, but not at that price.

 

[nturn06]

Had we known we’d be losing broberg we would 100% pay Vinny the 2 mil. Him and Kulak were fantastic together. He only started to struggle when he was moved up to play with nurse because nurse and Ceci were just that bad. Knowing how the rest of the summer transpired I would take Vinny back in a heartbeat even at 2 mil.

The issue is that at 2 mils/year one should be able to get a D-man which is better than Vinny.

 

[MessierII]

The issue is that at 2 mils/year one should be able to get a D-man which is better than Vinny.

I kind of disagree with that honestly. That’s good bottom pair D money which is what he is. Him and Kulak were one of the best bottom pairs in the league.

 

[Cup or Bust]

After two NHL seasons, Vinny's 5v5 goals against/60 were 1.8 and 1.7 respectively.

He is excellent at goal suppression 5v5 as long as you get him out there against players where he isn't above his head. In the playoffs he's struggled, because his lack of agility gets exposed when opposition deliberately matches him up against speedsters (he's actually VERY FAST in straight away speed, but he turns like a cargo ship).

I was a big fan of Desharnais... wish we'd kept him, but not at that price.

I am a big fan of Vinnie also but his skating, agility, and puckhanding skills limit his overall effectiveness. He is really maxed out as a number 6 d-man. I actually don't even necessarily think he is an 82 game full time top 6 d-man. I think he is more of a 6/7 d-man. When you need more speed or mobility in the lineup in certain games he is likely the guy you take out. I am happy for him though battling to become an NHL player and carving out a career and making a good living in hockey. Congrats to him.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

Deharnais wasnt a warm pressbox guy until playoffs where Broberg came in. If he was that bad, Canucks would not have signed him

Oh hey it's the guy that guaranteed the Canucks would beat the oilers in the playoffs let's give this guys opinion the up most respect. Let's act for a minute that teams don't sign marginal to bad players every off season.

 

[Half Clapper]

I can't wait to watch the Oilers regress this year. They aren't winning anything with that D-core.

 

[Bring Back Bucky]

I can't wait to watch the Oilers regress this year. They aren't winning anything with that D-core.

Ok bub

 

[Half Clapper]

Ok bub

Ekholm - Bouchard
Nurse - Emberson
Kulak - Stecher
Brown

Ceci > Emberson
Broberg > Stecher
Desharnais > Brown

They downgraded on three D-man.

 

[Bank Shot]

Ekholm - Bouchard
Nurse - Emberson
Kulak - Stecher
Brown

Ceci > Emberson
Broberg > Stecher
Desharnais > Brown

They downgraded on three D-man.

Teams win with the top of the roster, not the bottom. The Oilers retained 4 out of their best 5 D-men from last season.

Ceci is a loss, but the other two didn't do anything to drive the bus last season.

Vinnie Desharnais wasn't moving the dial. He was being being carried by the current. And that is why Colin Fraser has 2 Stanley Cups.

 

[Bring Back Bucky]

Ekholm - Bouchard
Nurse - Emberson
Kulak - Stecher
Brown

Ceci > Emberson
Broberg > Stecher
Desharnais > Brown

They downgraded on three D-man.

You’re aware it’s August 23rd?

 

[GhostfaceWu]

Ekholm - Bouchard
Nurse - Emberson
Kulak - Stecher
Brown

Ceci > Emberson
Broberg > Stecher
Desharnais > Brown

They downgraded on three D-man.

Broberg played a whopping 12 regular season games his subtraction has little effect in comparison to what they rolled with last year. Stetcher is basically the same as vd.

 

[Half Clapper]

Broberg played a whopping 12 regular season games his subtraction has little effect in comparison to what they rolled with last year. Stetcher is basically the same as vd.

Minus the fact that VD is 6'6 and stecher is 5'9, but ya pretty much the same...These two players aren't the same at all lol. Broberg was a solid D-man in the playoffs with room to grow, if you think this guy isn't a loss for now and the future than idk what more to tell you.

Teams win with the top of the roster, not the bottom. The Oilers retained 4 out of their best 5 D-men from last season.

Ceci is a loss, but the other two didn't do anything to drive the bus last season.

Vinnie Desharnais wasn't moving the dial. He was being being carried by the current. And that is why Colin Fraser has 2 Stanley Cups.

Broberg played solid minutes for the Oil in the playoffs. He has a lot of potential to be a young top-4 D-man with room to grow. Vinnie is not a massive loss, but he still played solid mins for the team, and I can assure you he is better than Brown.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

Minus the fact that VD is 6'6 and stecher is 5'9, but ya pretty much the same...These two players aren't the same at all lol. Broberg was a solid D-man in the playoffs with room to grow, if you think this guy isn't a loss for now and the future than idk what more to tell you.


Broberg played solid minutes for the Oil in the playoffs. He has a lot of potential to be a young top-4 D-man with room to grow. Vinnie is not a massive loss, but he still played solid mins for the team, and I can assure you he is better than Brown.

Clearly what I meant and not that therlir value to any team is the same playing third pairing minutes. I forgot you get extra points in terms of value for being tall give your head a shake.

 

[Bank Shot]

Broberg played solid minutes for the Oil in the playoffs. He has a lot of potential to be a young top-4 D-man with room to grow. Vinnie is not a massive loss, but he still played solid mins for the team, and I can assure you he is better than Brown.

They both played 13 minutes a night. Basically as little as the coach could get away with running them without messing up the pairings completely.

Basically the Noah Juulsen, Ian Cole role. Vinnie got taken out because he was getting clobbered in this role. Just like he did his first playoffs. I'm not too worried about it, because the Oilers just need to find replacement level defending to fill that hole.

The more important hole is the Ceci hole. We shall see how they address it.

 

[Half Clapper]

They both played 13 minutes a night. Basically as little as the coach could get away with running them without messing up the pairings completely.

Basically the Noah Juulsen, Ian Cole role. Vinnie got taken out because he was getting clobbered in this role. Just like he did his first playoffs. I'm not too worried about it, because the Oilers just need to find replacement level defending to fill that hole.

The more important hole is the Ceci hole. We shall see how they address it.

But you do realize Broberg is only 23 years old, 6'4 212 lbs, and was an 8th overall pick??

We agree about vinnie, dont worry I don't think he is a world beater D-man. I think the biggest loss is going to be Broberg by far, I liked what I saw with him in the playoffs last year, and he is only going to improve. With the limited cap space the Oilers have it is not going to be easy to replace a guy like Ceci as well. You make it sound like it is as easy as making a phone call lol.

Clearly what I meant and not that therlir value to any team is the same playing third pairing minutes. I forgot you get extra points in terms of value for being tall give your head a shake.

Being a lengthy D-man matters buddy. Were you born under a rock? Size matters a lot on defence in the NHL, esp when the games get tight in the playoffs.

 

[Bank Shot]

But you do realize Broberg is only 23 years old, 6'4 212 lbs, and was an 8th overall pick??

We agree about vinnie, dont worry I don't think he is a world beater D-man. I think the biggest loss is going to be Broberg by far, I liked what I saw with him in the playoffs last year, and he is only going to improve

I did realize that. Been following that Broberg guy since he was drafted. Broberg might only improve, or he might stay about the same he has been the last couple of years. Hard to say really. Seems kind of 50-50 to me really.

I mean there are probably still fans out there waiting for 6'4" 208 lbs 8th overall pick Rasmus Ristolainen to hit his stride. Or Adam Boqvist, or Olli Juolevi.

God knows I waited forever for 6'3" 209 lbs 9th overall pick Ladislav Smid to pop, and while he eventually became a serviceable 4th-5th defender, he never really covered the top ten bet.

That's the thing about top ten D-man picks that develop by sundial. Sometimes they figure it out, and sometimes they don't. I was looking forward to see if Broberg could figure it out at around $1.5 million. Not sure if I could stomach it at $4.5 million. Guess this season will give some more evidence in that regard.

 

[McFlyingV]

But you do realize Broberg is only 23 years old, 6'4 212 lbs, and was an 8th overall pick??

We agree about vinnie, dont worry I don't think he is a world beater D-man. I think the biggest loss is going to be Broberg by far, I liked what I saw with him in the playoffs last year, and he is only going to improve. With the limited cap space the Oilers have it is not going to be easy to replace a guy like Ceci as well. You make it sound like it is as easy as making a phone call lol.


Being a lengthy D-man matters buddy. Were you born under a rock? Size matters a lot on defence in the NHL, esp when the games get tight in the playoffs.

They can add an 8.8M contract at the deadline with 50% retention if they accrue with the cap space they currently have. I know people want to act like Ceci is some solid Dman after everyone for years (including myself) shit on him for playing way over his head on the 2nd pairing, but the Oilers have plenty of cap to get a massive upgrade on him at the deadline.

 

[jackjohnson]

Oh hey it's the guy that guaranteed the Canucks would beat the oilers in the playoffs let's give this guys opinion the up most respect. Let's act for a minute that teams don't sign marginal to bad players every off season.

Thats your opinion which also doesnt seem to matter any more than mine. Am not an expert and dont claim to be.

VD is pretty bad, but he’s an above average PKer. With that being said he will be a victim of allowing 5on5 goals but helping to stop goals against on the PK.

Well i think Canucks want to improve their mediocre PK and we need him more than someone that cant PK. Maybe use him exclusively on PK and limit his 5 on 5 minutes. I dont think Canucks are expecting him to be a top 4 defender.