ManofSteel55
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Again you aren't saying much that I haven't said earlier. The discussion turned to IF Francis regrets signing Grubauer for whatever reason.
Proposal: EDM - SEA Goalie Swap+
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GirardSpinorama
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I really doubt it at this stage. Francis will take a longer view and has that cap space for this luxury. You know who can’t take a long view? Holland. He’s probably fired if the oil miss the playoffs.
ManofSteel55
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I am certainly in favour of moving Barrie, simply for the cap space, as Bouchard has shown he can handle the things that Barrie does. Isn't Lauzon a LD though? We have a logjam at LD already, but if Lauzon is a sharp upgrade on the likes of Lagesson (also gritty), Koekoek (mostly steady if unremarkable) and Russell (steady but aging and shouldn't be playing every day), then he would probably fit. I haven't watched him play enough to know if he is enough of an upgrade to know if that makes sense.
ManofSteel55
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Again, its a hypothetical discussion. Just like every other discussion here.
The Oilers don't fire management. They promote them into retirement. Holland probably has a coach firing and re-hiring in him before he has to worry about his job too. For better or worse.
ManofSteel55
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Ha ha, the issue with goalie is that he hasn't been able to make a deal. He's targeted the right guys. Just hasn't been able to close.
hes left handed but hes a ld/rd. and at 850k cap hit so i thought bottom pair dman it would be okay especially for a more of a smashy smashy role
Fistfullofbeer
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I am actually not interested in moving Grubauer at this time. Less than half of a season is way too early to give up on him and this team has a lot of issues that need to be sorted out before getting a better read on our goalie situation.
Regarding the other Seattle pieces mentioned:
Gio -> should be moved at the TDL for the highest return. Retain 50% for that.
Soucy -> No need to move him unless there is some kind of overpayment. The piece is moveable for sure but we have little to no reason to do so.
Appleton -> Same as Soucy
Regarding the other Seattle pieces mentioned:
Gio -> should be moved at the TDL for the highest return. Retain 50% for that.
Soucy -> No need to move him unless there is some kind of overpayment. The piece is moveable for sure but we have little to no reason to do so.
Appleton -> Same as Soucy
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IMO, OP has a lopsided deal on the table, BUT they have correctly addressed 3 main pieces EDM should target - Grubauer, Soucy, and Appleton. Grubauer solves their goaltending issues, Soucy their blueline, and Appleton their toughness and grit.
f*** it! Pitch up Pool Party and see how that levels the deal and what can get worked out. Oilers won't have a problem scoring goals with McDavid and Drai.
Blueline
Soucy and Bouchard
Nurse and Ceci
Keith and Barrie
Top 9
Hyman, McDavid, Appleton, RNH, Draisaitl, *Yamamoto, Foegele, McLeod, & Kassian
*unless Yamamoto is flipped for someone like DeBrusk, who I think can excel in Edmonton, but that top 9 is still very good even without Poolparty.
4th Line
Ryan - Shore - Sceviour and Turris - if he isn't dealt - can be a serviceable 4th line. And maybe there is another deal that helps their top 6...
f*** it! Pitch up Pool Party and see how that levels the deal and what can get worked out. Oilers won't have a problem scoring goals with McDavid and Drai.
Blueline
Soucy and Bouchard
Nurse and Ceci
Keith and Barrie
Top 9
Hyman, McDavid, Appleton, RNH, Draisaitl, *Yamamoto, Foegele, McLeod, & Kassian
*unless Yamamoto is flipped for someone like DeBrusk, who I think can excel in Edmonton, but that top 9 is still very good even without Poolparty.
4th Line
Ryan - Shore - Sceviour and Turris - if he isn't dealt - can be a serviceable 4th line. And maybe there is another deal that helps their top 6...
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I don't think there is any appetite to trade Puljujarvi. Fan favorite and Holland worked hard to get him back here and he has excelled. Just a non starter.
Also, Soucy isn't going to replace Nurse on the top pairing. He goes to the mid paring, which is still a huge boost on the left side.
I sort of see what Seattle did in the expansion draft as a mistake. Their entire strategy was a mistake. They should have tried to garner picks instead of building an instant winner like Vegas did. GMs were much more cautious this time around. They were ready for Francis & co.
Gio might get a late 1st from a contending team at the deadline. Makes sense.
The other guys, I guess I understand you want to keep? Wouldn't picks be a better option for guys who have value in your line up, then have enough cap space to absorb a big contract or two from another team in exchange for a top prospect or more picks? Then build a winner through the draft. It is a long process, one Vegas skipped entirely. The way they are trading picks however, those chickens will eventually come home to roost.
I think Arizona is finally coming around to this idea. They'll be taking on huge, bloated contracts next year but they'll ask for a mint in return. At least that is the way I see it.
The X factor in this trade is Grubauer. Huge mistake in signing him? You're probably right that it is too early to tell. Still, right now it looks like that contact might be a colossal error.
ManofSteel55
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I was referring to the goalie issue. I still like him bringing in Keith. He's still an upgrade on what we had last year in the 2LD spot. I just wish he had gotten some retention on the contract. Everyone expected Keith to come in and be atrocious. He hasn't been. He hasn't been great either, but he has been better than the naysayers expected. But still not worth his cap hit.
what really benefits seattle in this deal though? ill admit i dont know much about william lagesson but a late 1st and 2nd dont really do much considering edmonton is sending all that back. edmonton gets some good players for a playoff run and it seems seattle gets a whole lot of meh!
Phillip Grubauer 30, G ($5.9 Million AAV until 2027, NTC and then M-NTC) 3.30 GAA .882 sv% this year
Mark Giordano 38, LHD @ 50% ($3.375 Million AAV last year then UFA)
Carson Soucy 27, LHD ($2.75 Million AAV for this year and next, then UFA)
Mason Appleton 25, C ($900,000 AAV last year and then RFA)
Total $$$ coming in: $12.925 Million
Mikko Koskinen 33 G ($4.5 Million AAV last year then UFA) 3.19 GAA .900 sv% this year
Duncan Keith 38 LHD ($5.538 Million AAV this year and next, then UFA)
William Lagesson 25 LHD ($725,000 AAV this year then RFA)
Derek Ryan 35 C ($1.25 Million AAV this year and next, then UFA)
Oilers 2022 1st, 2023 2nd
Total coming in $12.013 Million + retention of $3.375 Million for the remainder of this year only.
I think the Oilers get an upgrade at every position with Grubauer being the biggest gamble, a long term contract with a fair amount of cap tied up if he does not work out. Edmonton remakes the left side this year and has a bit more cap room afterwards. This allows them to make a charge at the playoffs this year.
Seattle clears a long term contract in Grubauer out and has a ton of cap room next year plus a 1st and a 2nd. Fair?
I'd add a prospect. Lavoie? Oiler fans mentioned I should to make it fairer. A 1st, a 2nd and a prospect is a good return, no?
Lagesson is a bottom pairing type LHD which was projected to be a mid pairing one. Nothing flashy, hasn't gotten a great chance under Tippett. Cheap option on the back end but probably a a guy you play every night.
Tippett overplays his vets and does not give his young players much ice time. This has been his Achilles heel here since the vets are not performing and he still insists on running with them.
I don't think Seattle regrets the Grubauer signing and I don't believe they wish to move his contract. Their problems are team-wide, and not entirely unexpected for an expansion team that went with the choices it did during the expansion draft. You can't hang his numbers entirely on Grubauer, and I don't think that management does so.
Nor do they need too. Seattle could use a few high picks. Imagine that team with Slafkovsky and Bedard in three years.
Fistfullofbeer
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Ron Francis has come out and said that dealing with other GM's was pretty tough because of how prepared they were for this expansion. That, to a point, dictated the direction that was taken with the expansion draft. A lot of Kraken fans wished to stockpile picks like you said, as opposed to icing a 'competitive' team. Based on Francis' latest interviews, a Vegas like draft was never in the cards because of how prepared GMs were.
A lot of us (Kraken fans) are absolutely open to moving any player on our roster. I am one of those fans. I feel there is no player on the Kraken that should be off-limits. But there needs to be a deal that actually makes sense for us. We also feel that moving expiring UFA contracts that could return value like Jarnkrok, Gio, Johansson, etc. should also be moved.
However, we have no idea what Francis actually does. Our 2 big issues currently look like goaltending and coaching and I would be be surprised is the latter is the reason the former is so bad. Regarding Grubauer, he has been decent through his whole career and has normally taken some time to adjust to a new team. Also, we currently have 3 goalies in Driedger, Gru and Daccord who have not looked good on the Kraken. Have to believe, the system/coaching has a lot to do with this.
Keith is easily worth his dollar value it is his cap hit that sucks the high hard one .
ManofSteel55
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He sure didn't have anyone gifting him top six forwards like Florida did to Vegas.
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