Proposal: EDM - NYR

[TFHockey]

This should be a fun one.

The Oilers need an upgrade in goal. The Rangers are looking to make changes to their line up and based on salary demands it seems like Shesterkin could be moved before the trade deadline. So do the Oilers really go for the Cup this year and make a massive deal for a pure rental?




Igor Shesterkin 28, (G) $5.66 Million pending UFA. No retention. No extension.




Oilers 1st round pick either 2025/26 whichever isn't moved to Philly
Oilers 1st round pick 2027
Oilers 2nd round pick 2025
Oilers 2nd round pick 2026

Stu Skinner 26 (G) $2.6 Million expires end of next season
Jeff Skinner 32 C/W $3.0 Million pending UFA

This makes the trade more or less cap neutral.

Historically Goaltenders don't go for this kind of haul, *especially* rentals. However Shesterkin is arguably the best in the league and his stellar play has covered some serious defensive shortcomings on the Rangers roster. Sounds exactly like what the Oilers need.

This could win them the Cup.

In the off season Shesterkin wants to sign for more than the eye-watering eight year, $88 Million dollar contract offered by New York. The Oilers have no chance to match that. Who knows, maybe becoming a Stanley Cup winner is the feather in his cap he needs to get the number he wants. Maybe that number comes from the Rangers who sign him as a free agent in the summer AND get the draft capital above.

Stu Skinner is added because the Oilers have to make some room under the cap and someone has to share duties with Quick. Jeff Skinner is also added for the same cap reason and his contract expires at the end of the year. Not a painful add for the Rangers to take on.

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[leeroggy]

As an Isles fan, I approve this message . . .

 

[SML2]

If you can find a way to add former Ranger draft pick Hnuter Skinner, I will think about it.

 

[TGWL]

I'll accept on behalf of NYR.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

We’re not trading our best player unless an equal or better player is coming back. We’re trying to win this year.

I would maybe consider it for Draisaitl. McDavid, sure.

Picks? No chance.

 

[eco's bones]

With McDavid, Draisatl, Sheshterkin etc. the idea seems to make perennial cup runs for the next yada amount of years. Win a cup or two or three too. Great from an Oilers and Oilers fans perspective.

As a Rangers fan then I'm looking at those 1st round picks thinking if both are final four conference finals or better picks then my team is picking between 29 and 32 and the 2nd rounders are between 61 and 64. Not all 1st and 2nd round picks are equal. We definitely don't need Jeff Skinner and if Igor is saving our bacon too often as it is Stuart Skinner's going to be cooked before October is over so no you'd have to do better than that. Offer us something at least that's going to really hurt to give up.

 

[HockeyVirus]

What is the best case scenario for the Rangers here? The Oilers stink and barely make or miss the playoffs and they get one of those firsts in the late teens?

Why are they trading the best goalie in the league for 2 basically 2nd round picks and 2 mid draft picks? Not one single asset coming back to build around.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

We’re not trading our best player unless an equal or better player is coming back. We’re trying to win this year.

I would maybe consider it for Draisaitl. McDavid, sure.

Picks? No chance.

lol we're not winning shit this year, and trading Igor will save Drury from giving him a monster deal during our non-contending window which is coming up very fast. Need a retool at the very least.

 

[oXo Cube]

Makes no sense for Edmonton even if Shesterkin was a realistic target(he isn't). Oilers can't afford his extension.

Igor and the Rangers will get a deal done.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

lol we're not winning shit this year, and trading Igor will save Drury from giving him a monster deal during our non-contending window which is coming up very fast. Need a retool at the very least.

The math isn’t mathing here.

So we need to retool by not signing our best player? How does that possibly end up in a Cup Contender better than the current team? You don’t sign one of the best players in the league so you can add two albatrosses like Trouba and Goodrow? When have the Rangers been good at finding value on the cap? The idea we’re going to turn Igor’s money into a first pair LHD and a second pair LHD and then also manage to find a good goaltender is just loony toons world stuff. Truly the type of stuff you look back on in 5 years as one of the stupidest and most psychoanalyzed decisions in franchise history that gets people fired.

And also, I fully believe we aren’t winning the Cup this year, but I also think we probably are nowhere near as bad as the last two weeks. I don’t believe this team is worse than last year. So we’ll be somewhere in the group of 10 teams that go into the playoffs with a chance (not a good chance because that’s inherently how the math works, but a chance), and maybe the chips fall our way. Probably won’t because that’s just how the odds go. You don’t pass up that 1 in 10 chance though when you get it.

 

[eco's bones]

The math isn’t mathing here.

So we need to retool by not signing our best player? How does that possibly end up in a Cup Contender better than the current team? You don’t sign one of the best players in the league so you can add two albatrosses like Trouba and Goodrow? When have the Rangers been good at finding value on the cap? The idea we’re going to turn Igor’s money into a first pair LHD and a second pair LHD and then also manage to find a good goaltender is just loony toons world stuff. Truly the type of stuff you look back on in 5 years as one of the stupidest and most psychoanalyzed decisions in franchise history that gets people fired.

And also, I fully believe we aren’t winning the Cup this year, but I also think we probably are nowhere near as bad as the last two weeks. I don’t believe this team is worse than last year. So we’ll be somewhere in the group of 10 teams that go into the playoffs with a chance (not a good chance because that’s inherently how the math works, but a chance), and maybe the chips fall our way. Probably won’t because that’s just how the odds go. You don’t pass up that 1 in 10 chance though when you get it.

The Rangers problems haven't been with the goaltending. Most of the vets we rely on most just haven't been playing well with maybe the exceptions of Fox and Panarin. Zibanejad has been particularly awful. Trouba, Lindgren, Miller have been struggling.

I don't see how moving the guy who more than anyone is keeping our heads above water is going to fix our issues and he's not replaceable. Moving Igor pretty much is going to mean we're going into the future with anywhere from mediocre to good goaltending for now and maybe for the foreseeable future. It's an edge we have over all other teams. You don't trade your edge.

 

[noncents]

The "trade shesterkin" movement on Rangers HF is a mix of a few different sentiments and hypotheses.

1. Rangers would be extremely hindered in ability to make moves and retain talent with >11mm on cap sheet long term. (this is accurate)
2. Rangers FO has not accurately self-scouted and acknowledged the teams own flaws because said flaws are consistently masked by genius goaltending. Team is successful therefore to a point but there is a ceiling-ECF. (arguably accurate)
3. Removing this crutch of dominant goaltending would naturally result in a team building ethos more conducive to long term success - 5v5 hockey, etc. (This is a hope but often asserted as fact, completely fallaciously)
4. Not assigning so much of the cap to Goalie position would result in better players throughout the lineup. (again a hopeful and optimistic hypothesis that is not at all guaranteed. Look at some of the deals GMCD has signed. Some real stinkers.)


There are definite challenges to building a team under the cap that can compete, really compete, with so much going to Igor. We're gunshy because it didn't work with Hank. But I think too many fans are greenergrassing the non-Igor option. there is no guarantee that the FO decisions are savvier or more effective. In fact, it's almost like there's more cap space for them to waste.

Ultimately it's almost like the Saquon thing. Is it too much for that position? Yes. But you just don't let elite talent go.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Not giving up 4 picks for a UFA goalie that we have zero hope of extending due to our cap situation.

 

[SML2]

We’re not trading our best player unless an equal or better player is coming back. We’re trying to win this year.

I would maybe consider it for Draisaitl. McDavid, sure.

Picks? No chance.

The way this team is looking, answer every call and don't hang up until they're done talking.

Don't forget, Igor already turned down what would make him the highest paid goaltender in the game.

The way this core seems have accelerated their rot should concern us all.

If that's true, the one thing you absolutely cannot be is a rebuilding team with a top 3 goalie. Even more So If he's dragging home 12m+.

The game has many stories of a scrappy team with a great goalie going to the finals.

Show me how many are on the cup.

If it's come time to blow it up, trading Igor is "the letter" 2.0.

 

[TFHockey]

I would maybe consider it for Draisaitl. McDavid, sure.

I think you might have overshot here JUUUUUUST a little bit.

The Rangers problems haven't been with the goaltending. Most of the vets we rely on most just haven't been playing well with maybe the exceptions of Fox and Panarin. Zibanejad has been particularly awful. Trouba, Lindgren, Miller have been struggling.

I don't see how moving the guy who more than anyone is keeping our heads above water is going to fix our issues and he's not replaceable. Moving Igor pretty much is going to mean we're going into the future with anywhere from mediocre to good goaltending for now and maybe for the foreseeable future. It's an edge we have over all other teams. You don't trade your edge.

From my perspective, and this is just me as a fan, I don't see the Rangers as a legitimate cup contender this season. If they move Shesterkin for a haul of pics and don't take on any cap of significance they can re-sign him in the off season and load up on draft capital very quickly. This would mean they have a lot more pieces to work with while filling out their roster in the off season.

Or they don't sign him in which case they have cap room as well.

There is a lot to recommend this for the Rangers. The risk is entirely on the Oilers in this scenario, perhaps too much so but it's fun to talk about anyway.

 

[LokiDog]

I’d take it as a Rangers fan assuming it coincided with also moving Kreider, Panarin, Trouba, etc.

The Rangers aren’t good enough to give Shesterkin the contract he wants. All that will happen is, like Lundqvist before him, he will drag a bottom 10 team to the middle of the pack for the next decade and we will never be good enough to win it all, nor bad enough to truly bottom out and build through the draft. Yes, we’re coming off an ECF appearance but all of our key pieces that contributed to the recent two deep runs are in a sharp decline now and so we are trending back down towards the middle, not up.

We should retain 50% on Panarin and send him to a contender for 2 playoff runs. He’d probably waive to go to a contender, since after next year he’s UFA and gets to choose his destination for a retirement deal. It won’t be in NY and at 50% he’s the most valuable trade chip we have. We need to retool badly.

Kreider will also net a positive return. He’s a respected veteran on a manageable contract who is still a monster net front goal scorer.

Stu Skinner is a perfectly fine stop gap in goal for a team that needs to take a beat and retool for a year or two. Jeff Skinner expiring can be moved at the TDL or simply expire at season’s end.

Trouba just has to go because there’s been too much drama around the team trying to move him and he’s an unhappy captain now and it’s hurting everyone at this point.

Guys like Miller, Trochek, etc. could also be moved and bring back some moderate value.

The return from Shesterkin, Kreider and Panarin at 50% would be enough to make an on the fly retool within ~2 years achievable. That’s a lot of draft capital and potentially NHL ready prospects, etc.

Rangers need some substantial roster turnover, and with that in mind, it would be foolish to give a goalie (who will be 29 and 9 months when his new deal kicks in) an 8 year 12M commitment.

 

[TFHockey]

Makes no sense for Edmonton even if Shesterkin was a realistic target(he isn't). Oilers can't afford his extension.

Igor and the Rangers will get a deal done.

Acquiring Shesterkin makes a TON of sense for the Oilers. The draft picks are a lot to give up. True.

The Rangers literally offered him $11 Million AAV X 8 years making him the highest paid goaltender in the league and Shesterkin said no. There isn't any guarantee he signs there this year. However, let's say he wins a Cup in Edmonton. Maybe he has the leverage to say to management "I literally did it with another team and you can have me as a free agent. Let's get it done."

Then the Rangers have him and a bunch of draft picks to move out some guys and move in others.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Shesty is going to the Mets anyways, sure send the papers

 

[bernmeister]

This should be a fun one.

The Oilers need an upgrade in goal. The Rangers are looking to make changes to their line up and based on salary demands it seems like Shesterkin could be moved before the trade deadline. So do the Oilers really go for the Cup this year and make a massive deal for a pure rental?




Igor Shesterkin 28, (G) $5.66 Million pending UFA. No retention. No extension.




Oilers 1st round pick either 2025/26 whichever isn't moved to Philly
Oilers 1st round pick 2027
Oilers 2nd round pick 2025
Oilers 2nd round pick 2026

Stu Skinner 26 (G) $2.6 Million expires end of next season
Jeff Skinner 32 C/W $3.0 Million pending UFA

This makes the trade more or less cap neutral.

Historically Goaltenders don't go for this kind of haul, *especially* rentals. However Shesterkin is arguably the best in the league and his stellar play has covered some serious defensive shortcomings on the Rangers roster. Sounds exactly like what the Oilers need.

This could win them the Cup.

In the off season Shesterkin wants to sign for more than the eye-watering eight year, $88 Million dollar contract offered by New York. The Oilers have no chance to match that. Who knows, maybe becoming a Stanley Cup winner is the feather in his cap he needs to get the number he wants. Maybe that number comes from the Rangers who sign him as a free agent in the summer AND get the draft capital above.

Stu Skinner is added because the Oilers have to make some room under the cap and someone has to share duties with Quick. Jeff Skinner is also added for the same cap reason and his contract expires at the end of the year. Not a painful add for the Rangers to take on.

Apologies that I have not had time to extend courtesy to give you input on this as you had requested. Still time crushed, so I will be brief.

The above is a rental proposal, 1 yr Shesty, no extension, no retention, etc.

As a rental it is not bad.
Howev, it is basically late picks and not much else.

The fair and accurate ? here is, whether or not a rental is Rs best return, presuming we do not extend.

It is not.

In theory, Panarin can get back Haula Palat + Nemic
if ny retains, that should be easily so
maybe Panarin at half for Haula + Nemec + pick

now
LA wants Shesty bad, per Yardbarker published reports

Shesty [Kings can negotiate before] + Nemec + KAM
is too much for Kings to turn down, even if target is Byfield

So yes, Igor available
but no, not for less than a primo return

 

[eco's bones]

I think you might have overshot here JUUUUUUST a little bit.



From my perspective, and this is just me as a fan, I don't see the Rangers as a legitimate cup contender this season. If they move Shesterkin for a haul of pics and don't take on any cap of significance they can re-sign him in the off season and load up on draft capital very quickly. This would mean they have a lot more pieces to work with while filling out their roster in the off season.

Or they don't sign him in which case they have cap room as well.

There is a lot to recommend this for the Rangers. The risk is entirely on the Oilers in this scenario, perhaps too much so but it's fun to talk about anyway.

If they trade him I don't see him coming back. The reason the Rangers would is about that next contract. As a point of pride if nothing else if he didn't sign up with Edmonton before season's end (not sure what Edmonton's cap looks like) he's then for sure going to have his services for sale on a highest bidder/best location kind of scenario and it just might come down to who give hims the highest bid. This is what the kerfuffle is about now and the Rangers could perhaps save a little cutting to the chase and giving him what he's asking for. There's a good chance it will be higher if he gets to free agency and it might be a team other than the Rangers. There's also a decent chance he won't want to come back if the Rangers do trade him. It could turn into a 'you had your chance' thing.

On the Rangers chances this year I don't think they're great. I think that has more to do with a somewhat shaky defense and some decline in key members of our veteran core. I do like our overall depth better and some of our prospects are looking really good.

 

[Lockin17]

Igor as to be signed before he goes in EDM.