Confirmed Trade: [EDM/NYI] Jordan Eberle for Ryan Strome

[McDNicks17]

Educate yourself people. Jordan Eberle is a very productive player: http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=1342

This is the lowest on-ice sh% and sh% of his career. The Oilers just traded a prime-asset at his lowest possible value in his NHL career. That's terrible GM'ing.

Watch Oilers play him beside McDavid and put up 27 goals. Then watch people say Chia knew what he had and developed the player to be a 27 goal scorer (Hint: Maroon)

There's a reason for that.

Eberle changed his stick length and hired a shooting coach in the offseason. He was lucky to keep the puck below the netting on most shots.

 

[La Bamba]

A lot of people (including me) knew then and now that Tyler Biggs, Devane, Ross were busts the instant they were picked. I thought Percy had potential to be a solid #5 but I was wrong.

That 2015 draft was ridiculously stacked. Between Barzal (16th) and Beauvillier (28th):
Barzal, Connor, Chabot, Svechniko, Eriksson-Ek, White, Samsanov, Boeser, Konecny, Roslovic, Juulsen, Larsson.

To make things even worse, let me give you a much better comparison:

Luke Schenn for JVR is one of the best trades in Leafs history no? Well this is much worse.

Oh wow cool, you and your fellow Leafers can see into the future now. And none of the players you have listed from the 2015 have done anything in the NHL yet, let's relax before you call the draft ridiculously stacked. A lot of prospects look good a year or two after being drafted, however, things change quickly. Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

And how is the last sentence even relevant to anything I posted? I can sit here and name a good trade for the Oilers, too.

I said not all prospects pan out - Reinhart didn't pan out. Biggs/Percy happened to be an example of 1st round prospects that didn't pan out. You go on to basically say you're a gypsy that knows the future of prospects, name a bunch of prospects who have done nothing in the NHL, and list off a random ass trade.

 

[snipes]

Chiarelli messed up so hard on Reinhart. That trade was just awful. It was awful then and still awful now.

I think you're in the wrong thread

 

[ManofSteel55]

No other team in the league lost a player they traded a first (and a second) for the year prior, right? The trade was awful from the get go, let alone losing him for nothing

The trade being awful at the time is not affected one way or another by losing him in the draft.

 

[ManofSteel55]

What do u mean zero facts? The facts are right in my post.

Chia should have gotten more for Larsson. Don't tell me how good larsson has been. He could have played like Pronger 10 years ago. I don't care. A great GM would have found a way to get more for hall.

It's the same here with Eberle. A pick with Strome would have been better value that chia should have gotten if he was this masterful GM spme of you praise him to be.

He ain't.

I think almost any GM could have turned the oilers around. Let's be real here.

Chiarellis best move was getting Talbot. But really... let's be real again... it was between him or maybe Martin jones as the more proven goalies with potentially great upside. He went out and grabbed one. I'll give him the props for the foresight to take this type of goalie instead of a proven vet. But again this is a rebuilding team and it makes sense to get this type of vapor anyway.

Chia hasn't done anything spectacular.

Getting hall while just giving up larsson is spectacular.

Chia is pretty average.

Your facts aren't facts. Those are called opinions.

 

[sOILing McSelf]

What do u mean zero facts? The facts are right in my post.

Chia should have gotten more for Larsson. Don't tell me how good larsson has been. He could have played like Pronger 10 years ago. I don't care. A great GM would have found a way to get more for hall.

It's the same here with Eberle. A pick with Strome would have been better value that chia should have gotten if he was this masterful GM spme of you praise him to be.

He ain't.

I think almost any GM could have turned the oilers around. Let's be real here.

Chiarellis best move was getting Talbot. But really... let's be real again... it was between him or maybe Martin jones as the more proven goalies with potentially great upside. He went out and grabbed one. I'll give him the props for the foresight to take this type of goalie instead of a proven vet. But again this is a rebuilding team and it makes sense to get this type of vapor anyway.

Chia hasn't done anything spectacular.

Getting hall while just giving up larsson is spectacular.

Chia is pretty average.

Totally fully of facts.

Maybe instead of looking at trades in a vaccuum, look at them differently. Maybe Chia realized last off season that defense was a must. Larsson was available but only for Hall. Chia decides that the TEAM would be better with defense, plus having Lucic willing to sign to fill a LW slot emptied by Hall. Guess what, the team got better.

"But you gave up the great scoring of Taylor Hall!" Here's a fact - goals for went from 199 to 243. And goals against went from 242 to 207.

McJesus can only do so much. That big swing in goals for/against is in large part because of Larsson, Talbot, McDavid, and Drai. 2 of those he traded for.

Has he lost trades before? Yes. Name me a GM that hasn't. Overall did he make the Oilers better?

Ebs for Strome is simple. A cheaper, less talented version of Ebs for cap room. If Strome clicks with McDavid, awesome because Ebs didn't. If Drai plays on McDavid's right, then Strome can be 3C. If Strome doesn't play at all it's 3.5 mil in cap savings.

 

[Strait2thecup]

May as well offer barzal and hamonic for mcdavid at this point and see if chia bites

 

[AcerComputer]

The Oilers now have players picked #1, #4, #5 in the 2011 draft!

 

[Ol' Jase]

May as well offer barzal and hamonic for mcdavid at this point and see if chia bites

Hahahaha. You bet.

Enjoy that playoff Eberle, whenever it comes for you. It really is something to behold.

 

[A Pointed Stick]

The Oilers now have players picked #1, #4, #5 in the 2011 draft!

lol. That's like winning three rounds of the HF boards playoffs.

Good luck with Strome. I hope he finds his game in Edmonton. I want to say you won the trade but Strome really has nothing to do with it. This was simply a move to get some cap relief. Mission accomplished.

 

[Strait2thecup]

Hahahaha. You bet.

Enjoy that playoff Eberle, whenever it comes for you. It really is something to behold.

Ya know I find this argument funny because first eberle was worth hamonic, then he returned ryan strome and now he doesn't try etc etc. the thing you oiler fans are missing is ryan strome has the same problem, he's just wayyyyy worse at hockey than Jordan eberle. You're delusional if you think this was even decent for edm

 

[EdmFlyersfan]

How can one justify this is a cap savings move when they are about to sign Russell for $4.5M for 4 years and got McDavid and Draisatal in the hopper next?

 

[CHaracter79]

Ya know I find this argument funny because first eberle was worth hamonic, then he returned ryan strome and now he doesn't try etc etc. the thing you oiler fans are missing is ryan strome has the same problem, he's just wayyyyy worse at hockey than Jordan eberle. You're delusional if you think this was even decent for edm

Unless of course edm trades rnh for a quality D and plays drai at centre and strome with mcdavid where he puts up 80 pts

That would be funny

 

[Draiskull]

The Oilers now have players picked #1, #4, #5 in the 2011 draft!

Landeskog is next!!!

 

[Ol' Jase]

Ya know I find this argument funny because first eberle was worth hamonic, then he returned ryan strome and now he doesn't try etc etc. the thing you oiler fans are missing is ryan strome has the same problem, he's just wayyyyy worse at hockey than Jordan eberle. You're delusional if you think this was even decent for edm

I never for one second thought Hamonic was worth Eberle.

You see you guys, I see mine. I loved Eberle, even have a jersey from when he was younger. However, I saw him play in his first playoff in his career. From that moment in, he was absolutely dead to me.

This has absolutely nothing to do with him being traded. I would have been happy with pretty much any return. Yes, he will produce for the Isles in the first 60 games, but come crunch time, as he showed this year, absolutely abysmal.

 

[Strait2thecup]

Unless of course edm trades rnh for a quality D and plays drai at centre and strome with mcdavid where he puts up 80 pts

That would be funny

If you just predicted strome to have 80 points I'm just not gonna acknowledge that. If stromes numbers go up playing with mcdavid I don't think most isle fans will be too upset

 

[Strait2thecup]

I never for one second thought Hamonic was worth Eberle.

You see you guys, I see mine. I loved Eberle, even have a jersey from when he was younger. However, I saw him play in his first playoff in his career. From that moment in, he was absolutely dead to me.

That's fair, he was definitely bad but small sample. Hoping he could turn it around here but either way he'll score in the regular season

 

[A Pointed Stick]

How can one justify this is a cap savings move when they are about to sign Russell for $4.5M for 4 years and got McDavid and Draisatal in the hopper next?

Think of it this way, you filled a need and found the space to do it by moving Eberle. In the process you moved a weak link off the club and took a flier on a reclamation project who has put up strong points in every league he's played in before our old destroyer of prospects got ahold of him. Mission accomplished.

 

[LeafingTheWay]

Oh wow cool, you and your fellow Leafers can see into the future now. And none of the players you have listed from the 2015 have done anything in the NHL yet, let's relax before you call the draft ridiculously stacked. A lot of prospects look good a year or two after being drafted, however, things change quickly. Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

And how is the last sentence even relevant to anything I posted? I can sit here and name a good trade for the Oilers, too.

I said not all prospects pan out - Reinhart didn't pan out. Biggs/Percy happened to be an example of 1st round prospects that didn't pan out. You go on to basically say you're a gypsy that knows the future of prospects, name a bunch of prospects who have done nothing in the NHL, and list off a random ass trade.

What are you saying

1) The 2015 draft was touted as the best draft since 2003, so no I can't see the future but if you can't see the difference between Tyler Biggest the grinder 1st rounder and Matthew Barzal the pure skill/speed/bpa 1st rounder then I don't know what to say..

Fun fact: Corey Pronman (my favourite scout) had Barzal listed 6th OV ahead of Werenski. Tyler Biggs? 78th overall 3rd round ... So again we can't see the futrue but there's a reason why we went from a bottom-5 pool to a top-5 even after losing the big 3 to the NHL.

2) "Dont count your chicken's before they hatch" is exactly what I'm saying. "Don't trade your healthy egg for an unhealthy chick just because that unhealthy chick has a slight chance of turning into a healthy chicken.

3) A random ass trade Luke Schenn is/was almost the exact player Reinhart was. That's why I made the reference...

 

[LeafingTheWay]

I'm calling it now to prove my ability to see into the future

Strome turns into an average middle-6er and averages around 45 points a season. Eberle doesn't light it up but does well beside Tavares and puts up his normal 60 point pace but way below his extremely lucky 76 pt season.

 

[McDirt McGirt]

What are you saying

1) The 2015 draft was touted as the best draft since 2003, so no I can't see the future but if you can't see the difference between Tyler Biggest the grinder 1st rounder and Matthew Barzal the pure skill/speed/bpa 1st rounder then I don't know what to say..

Fun fact: Corey Pronman (my favourite scout) had Barzal listed 6th OV ahead of Werenski. Tyler Biggs? 78th overall 3rd round ... So again we can't see the futrue but there's a reason why we went from a bottom-5 pool to a top-5 even after losing the big 3 to the NHL.

2) "Dont count your chicken's before they hatch" is exactly what I'm saying. "Don't trade your healthy egg for an unhealthy chick just because that unhealthy chick has a slight chance of turning into a healthy chicken.

3) A random ass trade Luke Schenn is/was almost the exact player Reinhart was. That's why I made the reference...

Which one is the chicken and the egg again??

 

[MessierII]

How can one justify this is a cap savings move when they are about to sign Russell for $4.5M for 4 years and got McDavid and Draisatal in the hopper next?

Well to keep Russel and make those extension keeping Eberle would cost more. Pretty simple.

 

[wuf]

I think this is a win-win honestly.

Eberle gets a shot at re-establishing himself as a major threat playing with Tavares. Even if he's not exceptional, he's good for 50+ points, realistically 25+ goals. The Islanders have the cap room for him, and he's only signed for another year. It gives them a guaranteed leg up in the race for the cup this upcoming season, and the Islanders aren't expected to make a long term deal until the year afterwards.

Oilers get Strome who looks like he will be good for maybe that same 50 points that Eberle put up last season, with a cheaper price tag so they don't have to worry as much about coming up with that 14 million that they're going to have to pay McJesus. Unless Strome is exceptional and has some ridiculous 30+ goal season, AND has an incredible playoff run, he will be cheaper than Eberle when they go to sign him next year for realistically a bridge type contract.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Good deal for both teams.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

I think this is a win-win honestly.

Eberle gets a shot at re-establishing himself as a major threat playing with Tavares. Even if he's not exceptional, he's good for 50+ points, realistically 25+ goals. The Islanders have the cap room for him, and he's only signed for another year. It gives them a guaranteed leg up in the race for the cup this upcoming season, and the Islanders aren't expected to make a long term deal until the year afterwards.

Oilers get Strome who looks like he will be good for maybe that same 50 points that Eberle put up last season, with a cheaper price tag so they don't have to worry as much about coming up with that 14 million that they're going to have to pay McJesus. Unless Strome is exceptional and has some ridiculous 30+ season, AND has an incredible playoff run, he will be cheaper than Eberle when they go to sign him next year for realistically a bridge type contract.

stop it with your logical nonsense