Confirmed Signing with Link: [EDM] G Jack Campbell signs with the Oilers (5 years, $5M AAV)

[shortfuze]

lol yea. it's 2 years out and matthews wants his bag. you can't really be that ignorant of your own team can you.

it could be that they didn’t want to commit those many years on a goalie they weren’t sure of.

 

[Holymakinaw]

it doesn't look like you do. dubas tried to keep campbell but couldn't because he didn't have the money to match.

the salary cap isn't a nonsensical theory. the expected cap rise may take longer than 2 years. it hasn't been determined yet. syou also ignore that players salary will grow with the cap. leafs will have to match a ufa offer for matthews and still sign nylander, lilegren and sandin. will still need a starting goalie a top 4 d, at least 1 top 6 forward, and enough to match a ufa offer for marner the following season.

you haven't thought it through at all. i can tell by the fact you don't understand the difference between $5m for 5 years and $4.7m for 2 years.

LOL. Folks have been telling Leaf fans for YEARS how we'll never be able to afford Matthews/Marner/Nylander/Rielly/New Players/Goalies/Etc/Etc..........and we keep re-signing everyone(thyat we WANT re-signed...). When will the mewling Quims give up, eh? Too funny.

 

[dirtydanglez]

it could be that they didn’t want to commit those many years on a goalie they weren’t sure of.

well they did try to sign him. i can't imagine the leafs thought he was only going to sign for 2 years in free agency.

LOL. Folks have been telling Leaf fans for YEARS how we'll never be able to afford Matthews/Marner/Nylander/Rielly/New Players/Goalies/Etc/Etc..........and we keep re-signing everyone. When will the mewling Quims give up, eh? Too funny.

Everyone we want, that is. The Leafs didn't want to pay Jack Campbell 5M for 5 years, as he's not worth that much money/term. He's an average Goalie who's not even a legit starter.

I don't like what the Leafs are doing in goal right now, with Murray(ugh) and Samsanov(unproven). But Campbell's not so great either. And the Leaf's capologists are handling their cap just fine thanks, and they have everyone signed that they want signed.

it's not that they can't keep them. people have been saying for years they'd never be able to build a team matthews/marner/nylander/rielly/new players/goalies/etc/etc and so far they've been right. the team they've built struggles against minor adversary and can't get out of the 1st round.

 

[Holymakinaw]

it's not that they can't keep them. people have been saying for years they'd never be able to build a team matthews/marner/nylander/rielly/new players/goalies/etc/etc and so far they've been right. the team they've built struggles against minor adversary and can't get out of the 1st round.

Meh. They're not perfect, but they're still very young. Some changes might be needed but that can be said of every team in the league. It's dumb to suggest that the Leafs are not one of the better teams out there.

 

[Divine]

well they did try to sign him. i can't imagine the leafs thought he was only going to sign for 2 years in free agency.


it's not that they can't keep them. people have been saying for years they'd never be able to build a team matthews/marner/nylander/rielly/new players/goalies/etc/etc and so far they've been right. the team they've built struggles against minor adversary and can't get out of the 1st round.

I think a big part of the Leafs walking away from Campbell was him choking the series against Montreal and Tampa, particularly Montreal.

He allowed 2 goals in 3 shots in OT against Montreal. Yes, he lost 2 overtimes on 3 shots in elimination games. The Leafs had I think 15+ shots in those 2 games.

Then the Tampa series I think the shots were like 15-6 for the Leafs and he choked that OT too.

He can’t handle adversity. He was also the worst starting goalie in the playoffs last season.. which is why he was offered backup money.

Let’s be clear, the Leafs tried to keep him as a backup, not a starter.

 

[centipede2233]

LOL. Folks have been telling Leaf fans for YEARS how we'll never be able to afford Matthews/Marner/Nylander/Rielly/New Players/Goalies/Etc/Etc..........and we keep re-signing everyone(thyat we WANT re-signed...). When will the mewling Quims give up, eh? Too funny.

This is incorrect. I’m pretty sure the leafs would have signed lybushkin, mikyhev and hyman at the caphits they signed for but the cap didn’t allow it.

 

[dirtydanglez]

I think a big part of the Leafs walking away from Campbell was him choking the series against Montreal and Tampa, particularly Montreal.

He allowed 2 goals in 3 shots in OT against Montreal. Yes, he lost 2 overtimes on 3 shots in elimination games. The Leafs had I think 15+ shots in those 2 games.

Then the Tampa series I think the shots were like 15-6 for the Leafs and he choked that OT too.

He can’t handle adversity. He was also the worst starting goalie in the playoffs last season.. which is why he was offered backup money.

Let’s be clear, the Leafs tried to keep him as a backup, not a starter.

i agree with everything up to the last line. who did they plan to have as starter?

 

[Divine]

i agree with everything up to the last line. who did they plan to have as starter?

I’m not sure but if they were offering Campbell the reported 2.5M x 2 and already traded Mrazek they needed another goalie. Maybe the plan was Matt Murray or Samsonov as the second goalie.

Remember, the Leafs didn’t even expect Campbell to be the standalone starter last season, they paid Mrazek almost 4M to at-worst split starts. They didn’t trust Campbell then, but Mrazek was always injured and sucked when he wasn’t so Campbell became the #1 by default not by choice.

Campbell was the worst goalie in the NHL from January 1st, the Leafs were not going to risk him being the only starter again… especially when they signed Mrazek for 3.8M to avoid that in the first place.

 

[Holymakinaw]

This is incorrect. I’m pretty sure the leafs would have signed lybushkin, mikyhev and hyman at the caphits they signed for but the cap didn’t allow it.

LOL. No, THIS is incorrect. They never would pay the salary/terms that those guys got because none of them are that good. Hyman at 5.5M for that long? Mikheleyev at 4.75M??? Puh-lease.

 

[dirtydanglez]

LOL. No, THIS is incorrect. They never would pay the salary/terms that those guys got because none of them are that good. Hyman at 5.5M for that long? Mikheleyev at 4.75M??? Puh-lease.

not keeping hyman was a mistake but walking from mikyhev was without a doubt the right decision.

 

[Funk21]

I like Campbell a lot, seems like a good humble guy and I don’t blame him for wanting to get paid. It’s sad to see that’s it’s going as bad as it is for him in EDM but the old saying goes the grass isn’t always greener on the other side.

We have had two goalies during Dubas tenure, mind you Freddy was a Lou trade and a good one but both goalies were brought in and had career years due to the teams in front of them but I don’t think anybody in Toronto whether fan or media believed either are SC goalies. The saving grace is Dubas identified that neither were special or that super elite goalie that is an absolute difference maker and therefore walked away when they priced themselves out.

Oilers fans have patience with this guy. It’s 8 games. He will find his way but don’t expect him to be anything but an average goalie.

 

[shortfuze]

well they did try to sign him. i can't imagine the leafs thought he was only going to sign for 2 years in free agency.


it's not that they can't keep them. people have been saying for years they'd never be able to build a team matthews/marner/nylander/rielly/new players/goalies/etc/etc and so far they've been right. the team they've built struggles against minor adversary and can't get out of the 1st round.

Who knows what he was offered. Maybe Edmonton was the only team willing to go longer then 2 years. Most back up usually only get one year so it’s seems logical that a 1B goalie should get around 2-3 years. But the market can be very weird from time to time.

Also, maybe Toronto was willing to max out at 3. They might have stuck with him if he would have taken 3 years. We don’t know.

 

[Martin Skoula]

not keeping hyman was a mistake but walking from mikyhev was without a doubt the right decision.

I'd rather move bodies to get Hyman at 7x3 than sign him to his current deal. His game is ugly if/when he gets yet another knee injury and can't generate any lower body power, it kills everything that makes his game work.

He's a bargain now while he's healthy but the back half of that contract is going to have a lot of day-to-day week-to-week lower body injuries that aren't long enough for LTIR replacements.

 

[BlueBaron]

it doesn't look like you do. dubas tried to keep campbell but couldn't because he didn't have the money to match.

the salary cap isn't a nonsensical theory. the expected cap rise may take longer than 2 years. it hasn't been determined yet. syou also ignore that players salary will grow with the cap. leafs will have to match a ufa offer for matthews and still sign nylander, lilegren and sandin. will still need a starting goalie a top 4 d, at least 1 top 6 forward, and enough to match a ufa offer for marner the following season.

you haven't thought it through at all. i can tell by the fact you don't understand the difference between $5m for 5 years and $4.7m for 2 years.

Lol. I do understand. You have all these imaginary situations in your head which simply aren't reality.

While it is true Dubas was willing to risk Campbell, it was at about half the cap hit.

You are trying really hard to convince yourself we just couldn't do it but the well documented fact is WE JUST DIDNT WANT TO COMMIT TO HIM.

You've written a cute story but it's well known fiction. It is true we can pivot from Murray more easily if he blows up but that option wasn't mandatory. We have 55mil in cap space the year you want us to be terrified.. .we can't spare 5 mil though....Rofl.

 

[Wats]

LOL. Folks have been telling Leaf fans for YEARS how we'll never be able to afford Matthews/Marner/Nylander/Rielly/New Players/Goalies/Etc/Etc..........and we keep re-signing everyone(thyat we WANT re-signed...). When will the mewling Quims give up, eh? Too funny.

I think you are confusing Leafs with Tampa. They are the ones who got told they can't keep anyone/going to lose guys but keep re-signing their top guys. For the Leafs people were saying they can't win while playing so much money on 4 forwards...

 

[Holymakinaw]

I think you are confusing Leafs with Tampa. They are the ones who got told they can't keep anyone/going to lose guys but keep re-signing their top guys. For the Leafs people were saying they can't win while playing so much money on 4 forwards...

Not at all true. I've read a million times on this site, how the Leafs will be losing (insert star player's name here) soon because of cap crunch. And it never happens. There's a "Will Matthews be gone in 2 years?" thread open right now here. And then y'all try to change the story, as you are, to make it something else. No. It's just as I said.

As for winning/not winning........we never won with "heart & soul" Wendel Clark, we never won with Sundin, we never won with tons of Domi/Corson/Roberts/Tucker toughness, we never won in the no-cap era, and we can't seem to win with a salary cap and all the skill in the world. It has NOTHING to do with paying 4 guys a lot of money. Leafs'r gonna Leaf.

 

[Wats]

Not at all true. I've read a million times on this site, how the Leafs will be losing (insert star player's name here) soon because of cap crunch. And it never happens. There's a "Will Matthews be gone in 2 years?" thread open right now here. And then y'all try to change the story, as you are, to make it something else. No. It's as I said.

You said they've been saying for years how none of them can be kept. I don't understand how they could have lost any of Matthews/Nylander/Marner/Tavares when they've all been signed with term. I'm from Toronto, the media/main complaint is how can you build a cup winner with 40M tied up in 4 forwards. Now in 2-3 years when everyone's contract is coming up I can understand the concern because they can actually leave so it makes sense. But last few years? They let go a lot of players, to much of no ones surprise (Kapanen/Johnson/Brown/Hyman/Mykeyev/Campbell/Andersen/etc).

Tampa and their LTIR circumvention is what had people clamoring how a repeat/threepeat was impossible. Yet they re-signed main guys like Point/Kucherov/Vasy/etc all mid contention and continued going to finals. Even this year, people aren't talking much about them but seems silly considering what they've done.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Lol. I do understand. You have all these imaginary situations in your head which simply aren't reality.

While it is true Dubas was willing to risk Campbell, it was at about half the cap hit.

You are trying really hard to convince yourself we just couldn't do it but the well documented fact is WE JUST DIDNT WANT TO COMMIT TO HIM.

You've written a cute story but it's well known fiction. It is true we can pivot from Murray more easily if he blows up but that option wasn't mandatory. We have 55mil in cap space the year you want us to be terrified.. .we can't spare 5 mil though....Rofl.

we only know that the leafs came in on their initial offer at about half. that's pretty standard that the first offer from the team is always low and the players initial ask is always high. seems more like the leafs couldn't afford to commit. they were still negotiating to the very end.


leafs have 55m in cap space with 4/23 roster spots filled...

 

[McVespa99]

LOL. Folks have been telling Leaf fans for YEARS how we'll never be able to afford Matthews/Marner/Nylander/Rielly/New Players/Goalies/Etc/Etc..........and we keep re-signing everyone(thyat we WANT re-signed...). When will the mewling Quims give up, eh? Too funny.

Yes. You keep signing all those guys to the detriment of your team and the teams depth. Overpaying your top guys just to keep them does not make the team better in a cap world. Sometimes you have to make the tough decisions.

 

[TOGuy14]

This is incorrect. I’m pretty sure the leafs would have signed lybushkin, mikyhev and hyman at the caphits they signed for but the cap didn’t allow it.

I don't think any sane person would give Mik that AAV, and while the dollar for Hyman made sense nobody wanted that term.

 

[BlueBaron]

we only know that the leafs came in on their initial offer at about half. that's pretty standard that the first offer from the team is always low and the players initial ask is always high. seems more like the leafs couldn't afford to commit. they were still negotiating to the very end.


leafs have 55m in cap space with 4/23 roster spots filled...

You die on your hill. If you think we won't have any 5 million dollar players in the future because of Auston and Mitch you need to consider you are trying too hard.

 

[dirtydanglez]

You die on your hill. If you think we won't have any 5 million dollar players in the future because of Auston and Mitch you need to consider you are trying too hard.

i never claimed they wouldn't have any $5m players. i dont think they want a $5m jack campbell on the books at that point.

after matthews gets his $15m-ish you have $40-$45m to fill out 15-18 roster spots. you'd need to sign 3x top 6 forwards, 5x bottom 6 fowards. 3x top 4 d, 2x bottom pair d, a starting goalie, backup goalie and up to 3 spare players.

good luck

 

[Holymakinaw]

Yes. You keep signing all those guys to the detriment of your team and the teams depth. Overpaying your top guys just to keep them does not make the team better in a cap world. Sometimes you have to make the tough decisions.

LMAO. 115 point season.......detriment. They might have lost in the playoffs again last year, but last time I looked, the Leaf core is still very young. And as I recall, Edmonton, who also spends a boatload on their core group of guys, won the same number of cups as us last year..........NONE.

So SHADDAP.

 

[BlueBaron]

i never claimed they wouldn't have any $5m players. i dont think they want a $5m jack campbell on the books at that point.

after matthews gets his $15m-ish you have $40-$45m to fill out 15-18 roster spots. you'd need to sign 3x top 6 forwards, 5x bottom 6 fowards. 3x top 4 d, 2x bottom pair d, a starting goalie, backup goalie and up to 3 spare players.

good luck

Right. So we could afford Campbell if we thought he was worth it. We didn't.

 

[dirtydanglez]

LMAO. 115 point season.......detriment. They might have lost in the playoffs again last year, but last time I looked, the Leaf core is still very young. And as I recall, Edmonton, who also spends a boatload on their core group of guys, won the same number of cups as us last year..........NONE.

So SHADDAP.

the team keeps losing in the 1st round.

the leafs core is young but their best chance to win a cup is the next 2 years. after than the leafs have to sign some big contract that will start a cap squeeze.