Proposal: EDM-DET

[TCNorthstars]

Apparently you have one fan



Great! ESPN has Pronman. No one here is going to claim they are a great source for hockey. Bleacherreport gets oft quoted by TSN, ESPN, THN, and other respected sources, doesn't mean that they are a trove of insight on average. Even Hockeybuzz gets talked about by respected people, doesn't mean its the bible. Just because a broken clock is right twice a day doesn't mean its the best source for keeping time. Same goes for your site.

The Athletic has Pronman.

 

[Shaman464]

The Athletic has Pronman.

Sorry until early last year ESPN had Pronman has a full time analyst.

 

[LastWordArmy]

Apparently you have one fan

Great! ESPN has Pronman. No one here is going to claim they are a great source for hockey. Bleacherreport gets oft quoted by TSN, ESPN, THN, and other respected sources, doesn't mean that they are a trove of insight on average. Even Hockeybuzz gets talked about by respected people, doesn't mean its the bible. Just because a broken clock is right twice a day doesn't mean its the best source for keeping time. Same goes for your site.

You can't please all of the people all of the time, but we seem to be pleasing enough of them.

You aren't a fan, and that's fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But if you are going to post things like you have about us, I'm going to defend my site and my writers.

I'll let the readers of HF make the choice about what they think about your opinion. Enough in here have critiqued your opinion of Athanasiou that I think I'll let your opinions of our site and articles stand for themselves.

 

[Shaman464]

You can't please all of the people all of the time, but we seem to be pleasing enough of them.

You aren't a fan, and that's fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But if you are going to post things like you have about us, I'm going to defend my site and my writers.

I'll let the readers of HF make the choice about what they think about your opinion. Enough in here have critiqued your opinion of Athanasiou that I think I'll let your opinions of our site and articles stand for themselves.

Yes, a few vocal people are critiqued my views of AA, but most of the outrage is that I believe that Detroit's prospect pool is thin on elite talent.

 

[SirloinUB]

Yes, a few vocal people are critiqued my views of AA, but most of the outrage is that I believe that Detroit's prospect pool is thin on elite talent.

I'm definitely not "outraged" but I have asked you for a source that backs up your opinion that we have a weak prospect system. You still haven't delivered.

 

[Shaman464]

I'm definitely not "outraged" but I have asked you for a source that backs up your opinion that we have a weak prospect system. You still haven't delivered.

Got a little side tracked with all the other comments. Let me ask you, what makes you think its strong? Who are the blue chip prospects? What positions are they strong on? Are they sufficient to fill major holes on the team? Most sources praise the depth of the pool, but have very little to say about potential elite talent outside of Zadina. Given the state of the Red Wings, the number of years out of contention, etc. the prospect pool isn't that strong.

 

[SirloinUB]

Got a little side tracked with all the other comments. Let me ask you, what makes you think its strong? Who are the blue chip prospects? What positions are they strong on? Are they sufficient to fill major holes on the team? Most sources praise the depth of the pool, but have very little to say about potential elite talent outside of Zadina. Given the state of the Red Wings, the number of years out of contention, etc. the prospect pool isn't that strong.

I've provided a source that leads me to disagree with your claim of "the wings having a weak prospect pool and core". As I said, I'd reconsider my opinion with new information but I'm still waiting for you to step up.

The ball is in your court pal.

 

[The Red Line]

Apparently you have one fan



Great! ESPN has Pronman. No one here is going to claim they are a great source for hockey. Bleacherreport gets oft quoted by TSN, ESPN, THN, and other respected sources, doesn't mean that they are a trove of insight on average. Even Hockeybuzz gets talked about by respected people, doesn't mean its the bible. Just because a broken clock is right twice a day doesn't mean its the best source for keeping time. Same goes for your site.

Wasn't saying anything about the blog, was saying that I don't believe you "hate to be an a******" The part that is bolded in the original quote...

 

[LastWordArmy]

Got a little side tracked with all the other comments. Let me ask you, what makes you think its strong? Who are the blue chip prospects? What positions are they strong on? Are they sufficient to fill major holes on the team? Most sources praise the depth of the pool, but have very little to say about potential elite talent outside of Zadina. Given the state of the Red Wings, the number of years out of contention, etc. the prospect pool isn't that strong.

They are ranked between 9 - 15 by every source that was posted in this thread. So middle of the pack (or just a little above middle of the pack).

I'm not sure anyone is saying that they are elite, but I don't see anyone saying they are crap either.

How many teams out there have more than one "elite" prospect, at the level of Zadina. Its not many, and those teams would have been ranked above Detroit in team rankings.... thats why the Wings weren't seen as an organization with elite prospect depth. They still have a good group though, with players like Cholowski, Rasmussen, Hronek, Veleno, Berggren, McIsaac, Filip Larsson. They may not be blue chip or elite prospects... the type of player who is almost guaranteed to be on a top line, or top defence pair, but not many teams have multiple players like that. They have a good number of prospects who are good and have a chance to be great if they develop. You have to think when you have 6 skater prospects like that... 1-2 will develop into top 6 or top 4, 2-3 will bust and be out of the league quickly, and 2-3 will become 3rd pair/bottom six players. Then the goalie, thats voodoo but he looks good in the NCAA.

 

[Richard Menzel]

AA would require Oilers 1st round pick or Bouchard. Those are the only two assets that make sense.

Bear is not a commodity worth trading a top 6 forward for.

AA is not being traded... neither is larkin, mantha, Hronek, Cholowski or Zadina. The WINGS are rebuilding not giving away their youth!! People can't seem to get this straight!!

 

[Shaman464]

AA is not being traded... neither is larkin, mantha, Hronek, Cholowski or Zadina. The WINGS are rebuilding not giving away their youth!! People can't seem to get this straight!!

Teams that do the best make trades from places of strength to acquire players that they need. The Wings have Ras, Zadina, Mantha, Bert, Nyquist, and many other young players that can fill the role of a top 9 wing. Trading a player like AA for a defender makes more sense than having a ton of good wingers but no defense or centers.

 

[Richard Menzel]

I didn’t say they would. I said I don’t think Athanasiou is near compelling enough to get Bouchard from the Oilers.

I have news for all the Oilers fans that think Bouchard is god's gift... he had a bad World juniors and a poor first season overall. Long ways to go, that is why they are called prospects!!

 

[Seachd]

I have news for all the Oilers fans that think Bouchard is god's gift... he had a bad World juniors and a poor first season overall. Long ways to go, that is why they are called prospects!!

He definitely has not had a poor season, but regardless... how is this at all relevant to the conversation?

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

Yes, a few vocal people are critiqued my views of AA, but most of the outrage is that I believe that Detroit's prospect pool is thin on elite talent.

Actually your entire post history in here is a disaster. Also: nobody is outraged

 

[Richard Menzel]

Got a little side tracked with all the other comments. Let me ask you, what makes you think its strong? Who are the blue chip prospects? What positions are they strong on? Are they sufficient to fill major holes on the team? Most sources praise the depth of the pool, but have very little to say about potential elite talent outside of Zadina. Given the state of the Red Wings, the number of years out of contention, etc. the prospect pool isn't that strong.

Veleno, Hronek and Cholowski is a decent start. Did you forget it takes a while for these drafted young kids to develop. It is only rare when a team is lucky enough to draft a Crosby, Ovechkin, Mathews, Dahlin, etc... It just doesnt happen with any team!!

 

[Richard Menzel]

He definitely has not had a poor season, but regardless... how is this at all relevant to the conversation?

Because all oilers fans think this kid is great. I hope he turns out to be but just like any young player they need experience and time to develop..

 

[Seachd]

Because all oilers fans think this kid is great. I hope he turns out to be but just like any young player they need experience and time to develop..

Yes, that's fine. Like every other high pick. That doesn't mean they don't have incredible value, obviously.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Bear+Edmonton's 2nd round pick for AA, That's not even remotely close for AA The guys on pace for a 30 goal season. That's terrible for Detroit.

 

[masta8]

Actually your entire post history in here is a disaster. Also: nobody is outraged

Yeah Oilers fans, Shaman guy has been on the anti- AA train since I have joined the forum... I think he has had bad history with a Greek or something.... but I'm a wings fan and have been a big fan of AA since we drafted him. It would take a lot imo to acquire him that I would say would have to include bouchard or a 1st round pick this year or next. I think AA can be a bonafide 30 goal guy in this league because of his elite speed.

 

[Ezekial]

Its based on a Jeff Marek tweet


He is crazy fast though

I like this new one.

 

[Richard Menzel]

Andreas Athanasiou


Ethan Bear and a 2020 2nd

Not even close young man!!