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Post-Game Talk: ECSF #1 - 5/16/13 | New York Rangers @ Boston Bruins - Damnit!

SnowblindNYR said:
More straw men. Do you feel like you say something profound when you make an argument that has nothing to do with anything being said? There's one goalie I MIGHT take over Hank and it's Quick (age not considering). Even then, while he's a great playoff performer recently, I trust Hank more in the regular season and we don't have the luxury of waiting for the playoffs pretty much every year but last. That said, he is not blameless. I'm certainly going to blame him when he deserves it.
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Straw men eh? Because why exactly? I pointed out how bad its been in the past? Cool.

Pretty sure I didn't absolve Hank of any mistakes, he played below average in my opinion, after two Herculean efforts I'm not surprised.

Then again you thinking anything you say on this subject holds any weight is the real joke. Bash him here, and fluff him on the main boards saying "I was just angry when I said he was a ****ing choker" lol, you're not fooling anyone.
 
Do you guys think the two day gap between games benefits or harms either team?

I can't tell if it helps the Rangers regroup or if it just gives them more time to think about missed opportunity. And for the B's, I can't tell if it gives them more time to revel in their win or if it screws up their momentum.

Or maybe it doesn't matter at all...

I just really don't feel like studying anymore so humor me.
 
Barbara Underhill said:
Blackburn, Dunham, Holmqvist, McClennan, Markkanen, Labarbera, Weekes, ValleyCat...

Which of those would you guys rather see instead of Hank?

Some of you might want to switch to bottled water, there is a significant issue in large cities what with prescription drug residuals and all.
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Dunham.

and someone will quote this and think I'm being serious, watch.
 
Zapp Brannigan said:
Do you guys think the two day gap between games benefits or harms either team?

I can't tell if it helps the Rangers regroup or if it just gives them more time to think about missed opportunity. And for the B's, I can't tell if it gives them more time to revel in their win or if it screws up their momentum.

Or maybe it doesn't matter at all...

I just really don't feel like studying anymore so humor me.
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Didn't feel like a big momentum swinging win to me, that game and this series so far have an odd feeling to them.

That said every win helps a team gain momentum so Boston has that going for them.

As far as the Rangers go they are pretty quick to move on, don't think it will affect them at all.
 
Kershaw said:
Lol.

GAA is essentially a backup stat. Save Pct. is the stat to look for.

Besides, the stats disagree with your biased view. It's clear that you detest Lundqvist for some reason. Lundqvist has worst Fenwick/Corsi against in the playoffs, meaning the team plays like absolute ******* in front of him night in, night out. Game 1 of the series was no different. Brutally outplayed in the game.

You stop 94% of shots, the offense better help. They didn't and they blew it again. The rest of the team is garbage compared to Hank. The only elite player on the NY Rangers.
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First of all I have no idea what Save % has anything to do with the post you responded to. You were bringing up GFA for teams, I brought up GAA for Lundqvist. I said that he gives up fewer than 2 goals per game in the last 2 years, so we should be able to win by only scoring 2 goals with him.

Second, I HATE the save % stat. He faced 48 shots or so, like 43 of them were cupcakes. He faced around 30 shots in game 2 of the Caps series. That was one of the best games of his career. Much tougher chances. Shot quality =/= Shot quantity.

Oh and I watched the game yesterday. It was AT WORST, slight edge Bruins through 3 periods.

I detest Lundqvist? I started a thread talking about his positive playoff stats on the SC board. Also, you have nothing nice to say about anyone else on the team. If I detest Lundqvist, then you detest everyone else.
 
Barbara Underhill said:
Straw men eh? Because why exactly? I pointed out how bad its been in the past? Cool.

Pretty sure I didn't absolve Hank of any mistakes, he played below average in my opinion, after two Herculean efforts I'm not surprised.

Then again you thinking anything you say on this subject holds any weight is the real joke. Bash him here, and fluff him on the main boards saying "I was just angry when I said he was a ****ing choker" lol, you're not fooling anyone.
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1) You made it sound like someone would prefer the garbage before him. No one said that.

2) I don't know why you shouldn't be surprised after his two Herculean efforts. He had 2 days off to rest, if anything those efforts should have made him extra confident.

3) Would you prefer I be one of those people that bashes someone and doesn't give him credit when he plays well? Yes, I said I was just angry and overreacted when I said the **** that Kershaw quoted in that thread and I was. Calling him a choker is probably too harsh. He is however an inferior goalie in the playoffs. I'm also starting to think that it's not because of the improvement of the opponents anymore. If it's because of the opponents, why does he have some of his best career games in the playoffs? And not fooling anyone with what? Humor me. I think he's the best goalie in the league, even one of the best goalies in the playoffs. I however, give him disproportional criticism to what I give the inferior players on this team when he plays worse than his capabilities. That's because he's better than he's shown in half the games so far.
 
First Man In said:
You guys can detest Lundqvist, I'll detest Nash deal?
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The problem is I don't detest Lundqvist. People just think that my criticism is detesting. Once again, if I have 5 kids, 4 of them are average to above average and 1 is a friggin genius. If my genius kid is getting a B+/A- and the rest are getting Bs, I will yell at my genius kid way more than I yell at my other kids.
 
Callagraves said:
I'm mad that we didn't steal a game that went to OT, but, am I the only one not terribly worried?

I do feel the Rangers will play better, and while I want them to win, and fully expect them to compete, they have actually met my expectations making it to the 2nd round.
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I'm not terribly worried either. That's not to discredit the Bruins, I think they're a great team and we're very evenly matched, they have better offensive depth and one of the best defensemen in the league, but they're not healthy right now and bound to wear down. If we play our game we'll be good.
 
SnowblindNYR said:
The problem is I don't detest Lundqvist. People just think that my criticism is detesting. Once again, if I have 5 kids, 4 of them are average to above average and 1 is a friggin genius. If my genius kid is getting a B+/A- and the rest are getting Bs, I will yell at my genius kid way more than I yell at my other kids.
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It's hard to take you serious regarding Lundqvist because of all of the ridiculous things you've said in the heat of the moment.
 
Lundqvist usually stops those 2 goals last night, but lest we forget our own lucky goal last night. Bottom line is, we need to play better and get more pucks on Rask, he's shaky.
 
blue425 said:
Many people have either forgotten what it was like with guys like Mike Dunham guarding the Rangers goal, or they weren't around at the time.

We are incalculably fortunate to have Lundqvist.
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I remember being 14 and going to Mike Richter Night at the garden. They were playing Minnesota and Dunham gave up 4 of the ********* goals ever and we lost 4-3 after being up 3-1 I think and everyone in the Garden was so mad. Here we are honoring the best goalie we ever had, who won us the cup and Dunham ***** the bed.
 
Jonathan. said:
Wrong.

He left out Chris "THE FORT" Holt.

Holt >>>> Johnson, AINEC.
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If we're going back that far, might as well mention Zaba and Yeremeyev.

Incidentally, 100% of those Ranger fans polled on this site would back Henrik over any prior goaltender. 90% would back him over any goalie in the league. So its a rather pointless argument.
 
Fitzy said:
If we're going back that far, might as well mention Zaba and Yeremeyev.

Incidentally, 100% of those Ranger fans polled on this site would back Henrik over any prior goaltender. 90% would back him over any goalie in the league. So its a rather pointless argument.
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OMG Matt Zaba!

Anyone remember the Antoine Lafleur pick?

:facepalm:
 
SnowblindNYR said:
1) You made it sound like someone would prefer the garbage before him. No one said that.
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Not really, I was just pointing out how bad it was and still could be, which some people seem to ignore.

2) I don't know why you shouldn't be surprised after his two Herculean efforts. He had 2 days off to rest, if anything those efforts should have made him extra confident.
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I don't know why you would be surprised, it's called a "let down game" something that happens with professional athletes from time to time, he had put so much focus and energy into those elimination games that he was bound to come back down to earth for at least one game. Which is all I imagine it will be.

3) Would you prefer I be one of those people that bashes someone and doesn't give him credit when he plays well? Yes, I said I was just angry and overreacted when I said the **** that Kershaw quoted in that thread and I was. Calling him a choker is probably too harsh. He is however an inferior goalie in the playoffs. I'm also starting to think that it's not because of the improvement of the opponents anymore. If it's because of the opponents, why does he have some of his best career games in the playoffs? And not fooling anyone with what? Humor me. I think he's the best goalie in the league, even one of the best goalies in the playoffs. I however, give him disproportional criticism to what I give the inferior players on this team when he plays worse than his capabilities. That's because he's better than he's shown in half the games so far.
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Please you backtracked faster than a politician on those comments because people were calling you out on it. It's nothing new, you've been exceedingly harsh on players mid game in the past because of your emotions. Not a big deal, call it what you want the fact is you seem to be more comfortable on the Rangers board bashing him.

Why does he play some of his biggest games in the playoffs? Probably because he performs well in big situations, game one of a series isn't exactly a pressure cooker, I'd rather he allow a bad goal in that game than in an elimination game.

It also has quite a bit to do with the team in front of him, neither goalie played especially well last night and Hank seemed to be fighting the puck most of the time. The Rangers could have easily won that game, Boston applied more pressure and played better in the overtime so they won, they deserved it. Hank is the least of my worries. Name me one goalie that hasn't allowed 1-2 bad goals in a series, heck even multiple times in a series. They all have goals they'd want back, the difference in some cases is that the team in front of that goalie still managed to win the game, making the mistakes matter less.
 
First Man In said:
You guys can detest Lundqvist, I'll detest Nash deal?
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Lundqvist is the best goalie in the world. He usually stops those two shots, but didn't last night. He's not above criticism, but he shouldn't really be blamed for the loss. The team itself needs to be better, especially, as you mentioned, Rick Nash. It was an evenly matched game through regulation, I thought, and the third period was exciting as physicality went up. However, this team's overtime struggles are beyond pathetic. Hard to fault McDonagh or Brassard on the play, because they've been amongst our best players. Zuccarello's back checking wasn't stellar. Everything in OT should be towards the net. Rangers need to be better in OT, in general.

Nash didn't play poorly last night, but 8 games without a goal is unacceptable.
 
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