GDT: ECQF: Game 2 - Toronto Maple Leafs vs Ottawa Senators, 7:30 p.m. EST | Back to the Future Edition

[Stephen]

Wait, are Sens fans still talking about the reffing after getting most of the calls in this game? The penalties tonight were 5-2 in the Sens favour. The PPs have been 20 mins to 16 mins so far in this series FYI. Reffing has not been the difference.

It was interesting hearing complaints about the Greig and Stolarz offsetting penalties when Greig got bodied for taking a route through the crease. If you’re taking that route you’re looking for trouble. And when you run into a 6’6” goalie it looks like you find trouble.

 

[Divine]

The way tonight went, the Leafs sat on their 2 goal lead like it was a 4 goal lead. Keep in mind Marner almost scored on that shot that hit the post and Jarnkrok almost had one go in but sat on the goal line. After that 2-0 blitz which felt like a 4-0 blitz they just went into shut down mode. I think a little prematurely and it almost burned them, but yeah.

Yeah but Ottawa had 4 shots in the third period in a game they're trailing by 1. They had 5 total shots in the third and OT. They got fortunate their first shot went in. They were outshot 11-5 in the 3rd and OT when the game was close.

The Leafs sat back too much for sure, but it's not like Ottawa turned it on and the Leafs were holding on for dear life.

 

[Stephen]

Yeah but Ottawa had 4 shots in the third period in a game they're trailing by 1. They had 5 total shots in the third and OT. They got fortunate their first shot went in. They were outshot 11-5 in the 3rd and OT when the game was close.

The Leafs sat back too much for sure, but it's not like Ottawa turned it on and the Leafs were holding on for dear life.

I’m glad the Leafs got the Domi goal there in OT but I think you have to keep pushing hard for that 3-0 buffer and keep the initiative too. Worked out in the end but sitting on a two goal lead for 50 minutes has its downsides when you’re a couple of bad bounces away from a close one.

 

[Do or Die]

Sens don't have enough pop, to keep falling behind....

 

[IronHookem]

The league is trying to rig this series and has reduced every penalty that has been reviewed in the series that would have been in the Leafs favour.

Did you already forget about the high stick on Marner?

 

[cyris]

Did you already forget about the high stick on Marner?

No???

 

[ottawagm]

Sens don't have enough pop, to keep falling behind....

All year we have been great when we score first and terrible when we don't. Nothing new.

Let's see how we do at home when we have last change and better match ups.

 

[Divine]

If the reffing were anywhere close to even, it would be the Leafs fans up in arms. These are the same people who complain constantly about "anti-Leafs' bias from the nut gobblers at Sportsnet and TSN. Literally the pretty girl at school who never felt never felt an ounce of hardship but constantly plays the victim. f***ing disgusting.

If the refs helped the Leafs as much as you think they do, I'd suspect they'd win a few more series.

You got 3x as much powerplays as the Leafs and still didn't lead the game for a single second. How much more help are you expecting from the refs?

 

[Leaf Fans]

If the refs helped the Leafs as much as you think they do, I'd suspect they'd win a few more series.

You got 3x as much powerplays as the Leafs and still didn't lead the game for a single second. How much more help are you expecting from the refs?

For me it is the hand gestures. No more pointing when the puck goes in the "net" the refs should just wave their arms in a washout motion.

 

[ACLEVERNAME]

If the refs helped the Leafs as much as you think they do, I'd suspect they'd win a few more series.

You got 3x as much powerplays as the Leafs and still didn't lead the game for a single second. How much more help are you expecting from the refs?

'Game Management' is a art. One of the biggest POS the league has employed confirmed that outright. Swept under the rug pretty quick tho.

 

[Divine]

'Game Management' is a art. One of the biggest POS the league has employed confirmed that outright. Swept under the rug pretty quick tho.

Yes, why do you think Ottawa got 2 straight PP's after the Leafs took a 2-0 lead with the Leafs not getting another? Game management.

Brady crosschecking people between plays? Can't call it because Ottawa is trailing. High sticking Tavares intentionally after the whistle? Leafs are ahead so they can't call it.

This is about as favourable as refereeing as Ottawa is going to get and they lost. You're not getting much more favourable refereeing than that. Marner high sticked? No call because Ottawa missed the puck. Puck over the glass? They think it hit the boards so no call. Every 50/50 call went in Ottawa's favour tonight yet the Leafs still won.

 

[ACLEVERNAME]

Every 50/50 call went in Ottawa's favour tonight yet the Leafs still won.

'Making up' for the bullshit that was called in game 1. Except game 1 was so lopsided the best the refs could do was a 3-1 split to try and save face. Doesn't matter tho, they've made their mark. Again - NEVER BET MONEY ON SPORTS. ITS ALL Fke

 

[Leaf Fans]

'Making up' for the bullshit that was called in game 1. Except game 1 was so lopsided the best the refs could do was a 3-1 split to try and save face. Doesn't matter tho, they've made their mark. Again - NEVER BET MONEY ON SPORTS. ITS ALL Fke

No, doubt. Its all politics man.

 

[ACLEVERNAME]

No, doubt. Its all politics man.

'Politics' lmao. Yah, if you consider the struggle against the subterranean lizard race 'politics' then yah - "politics" lmao

 

[Aashir]

'Making up' for the bullshit that was called in game 1. Except game 1 was so lopsided the best the refs could do was a 3-1 split to try and save face. Doesn't matter tho, they've made their mark. Again - NEVER BET MONEY ON SPORTS. ITS ALL Fke

you need to move on from game one man, this game had different refs and they each set different standards for what they will and won't call.

you think the leafs got favourable calls in game 1 (sure i can say that we got 1 or 2 borderline calls go our way)
and even when they gave you the first and the last two powerplays...it still wasn't fair? This game both teams got away with things post whistle and even during play, no borderline calls went the wrong way like the marner high stick (wasn't one) being called either.

This game was not the worst reffing, if anything they could've given the leafs another pp call for a high stick on the sens for high sticking matthews but even then I'd say they let the guys play and were consistent with the calls. Zub tripped holmberg and got a call and so did Stutzle when jarnkrok tripped him. Refs aren't going to go and invent calls because game 1 some other ref happened to make calls you didn't like.

the sens didn't capatalize enough when they played well in the 2nd, and they no showed for most of the 3rd. A bad play by OEL and nice tip by Gaudette gave the sens a chance but they blew it because of Batherson + Cozens having no IQ.

 

[Leaf Fans]

'Politics' lmao. Yah, if you consider the struggle against the subterranean lizard race 'politics' then yah - "politics" lmao

That is what they want you to think. Lol.

 

[Coffee]

Did you already forget about the high stick on Marner?

No!?

 

[Divine]

'Making up' for the bullshit that was called in game 1. Except game 1 was so lopsided the best the refs could do was a 3-1 split to try and save face. Doesn't matter tho, they've made their mark. Again - NEVER BET MONEY ON SPORTS. ITS ALL Fke

The Leafs had more 5v5 goals than Ottawa every game this series. That’s why they’re up 2-0.

Blame the refs if you don’t want to hold your team accountable, sure, but even if the refs called no penalties both games you’d still be down 2-0.

 

[mix1home]

I’m glad the Leafs got the Domi goal there in OT but I think you have to keep pushing hard for that 3-0 buffer and keep the initiative too. Worked out in the end but sitting on a two goal lead for 50 minutes has its downsides when you’re a couple of bad bounces away from a close one.

I should answer this. There is no “keeping initiative” in Berube system. You lose possession you better go back. Our D does not pinch, they stay in position and if needed clear the puck icing it. Our system allows teams to have the puck on outside and blocks players or shots that go inside. In this system we are not sitting on anything. We are waiting for pp, mistake or our superior forwards to capitalise on few chances and they almost did on few occasions, and there were few mistakes and surly we should have gotten pp or two. So it didn’t work great, but what Ottawa had? Nothing. In this system we have much better chance to increase our lead as in Game 1 than to allow teams to crawl back. And it worked at the end when our dept players capitalised on Ottawa mistake.

 

[mix1home]

All year we have been great when we score first and terrible when we don't. Nothing new.

Let's see how we do at home when we have last change and better match ups.

Great. We are going to second portion of home-and-home, but there is a bit of uncertainty about what second word “home” means in that phrase. There is a bit of nuance.
Tkachuk in post game interview: “we cannot wait to come back home”
Me: “We too. We too, Brady!”

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Damn some real Sens fan crashout happening in this thread tonight.

 

[MCR74]

Great. We are going to second portion of home-and-home, but there is a bit of uncertainty about what second word “home” means in that phrase. There is a bit of nuance.
Tkachuk in post game interview: “we cannot wait to come back home”
Me: “We too. We too, Brady!”

Ditto. Scoatiabank East always has its share of blue and white in the crowd. Sometimes it's almost like we never left TO.

 

[John Mandalorian]

That’s what I’m saying. The refs are supposedly rigging this for the Leafs but reduced Greig’s 5 to a 2 in game 1 and took the double minor against Marner off completely.
Doesn’t really add up.

I do agree even as a Leafs fan the high sticking was a follow through and not a penalty.

Maybe they felt the original calls were too over the top so they had to tone it down...kind of like the movie Rounders where Mike had to dump hands out of fear it was too obvious Worm was feeding him cards.

 

[jbeck5]

There’s a real disconnect between posting about the Senators having a +41 powerplay surplus and the Leafs having a -17 powerplay deficit throughout the course of the regular season, and then in the same breath claiming that the referees are biased in favour of the Leafs.

Reading comprehension issues ^

Clearly during the much larger sample size, trends have been established. Ottawa has shown over the season to draw more and take less penalties than Toronto...but in these playoff games, they have not been called with the same standard...again, in game 2. The board is full of neutral fans asking why Ridley Greig got a penalty for getting slashes and cross checked and interfered with by stolarz. The reffing has been garbage. Toronto is already the better team, they don't need the refs in their pockets too.