GDT: ECQF: Game 2 - Toronto Maple Leafs vs Ottawa Senators, 7:30 p.m. EST | Back to the Future Edition

[HockeyVirus]

We think it’s probably his core/back most likely.

He mysteriously went to Europe to see a specialist earlier in the year and his shot has been lacking all year.

It is said to be something that he won’t make worse by playing but we assume he needs some kind of treatment in the off season.

Maple Leafs' Auston Matthews visits Germany, surgery not being considered

According to several sources, injured Maple Leafs captain Auston Matthews went to Germany this week to visit a clinic "he knows and trusts. If space is available, you take it."

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Bottom line is that we don’t know a thing

I said shoulder because I was listening to Kyper and Bourne and they kept talking about his shoulder

 

[Strangle]

This game 2 is legit HUGE.

Senators can come in and run the leafs over if the boys aren’t sharp tonight and that would be a disaster. The test for the leafs tonight is a killer instinct type of test.

Senators are capable, but how do the leafs follow up?

 

[Strangle]

I said shoulder because I was listening to Kyper and Bourne and they kept talking about his shoulder

It totally could be his shoulder, all the speculation I’ve heard that makes any sense is how he can’t twist properly to pull the puck back and change the angle on his shot.

That could be anything from hips, to wrist, to shoulders to just about anything upper body

There just isn’t enough information available to make a better guess than that

 

[HockeyVirus]

This game 2 is legit HUGE.

Senators can come in a run the leafs over if they boys aren’t sharp tonight and that would be a disaster. The test for the leafs tonight is a killer instinct type of test.

Senators are capable, but how do the leafs follow up?

The narrative with a loss with certainly be nothing has changed, but a loss is not that for sure. Depends how it goes. If the Sens blow us out? Yeah.

If it is 3-2 OT game? Shit happens this is the NHL playoffs and the Sens are allowed to be good too

 

[Strangle]

The narrative with a loss with certainly be nothing has changed, but a loss is not that for sure. Depends how it goes. If the Sens blow us out? Yeah.

If it is 3-2 OT game? Shit happens this is the NHL playoffs and the Sens are allowed to be good too

I feel the same way. What we don’t want to see, win or lose, is the leafs mailing this game in.

That’s something they’ve been guilty of in the past

 

[Divine]

Thats the thing, there are examples of the refs not calling the game by the book.

The two immediate examples that come to mind:

Grieg gets taken out with a hit to the back of the head, right in front of an official - no call.

Brady gets speared in front of Stolarz - no call.

There's video of both plays, it's not like these things didn't happen. The refs didn't call the game by the book in those instances.

The refs didn't call every penalty on the Sens either though. Greig runs the goalie with no contact, no effort to avoid the goalie. That's textbook goaltender interference. The Tavares crosscheck should have been a major. There was a missed high stick on Knies.

I bet if someone viewed that game looking for every infraction, the Sens still got away with more than the Leafs. The Sens keep talking about how they were 'the most penalized team in years' by adding a bunch of penalties they received/coincidental minors after the game was over as if they're serving them this game. If the Leafs include those penalties they were also one of the most penalized teams in years.

 

[Summer Rose]

It totally could be his shoulder, all the speculation I’ve heard that makes any sense is how he can’t twist properly to pull the puck back and change the angle on his shot.

That could be anything from hips, to wrist, to shoulders to just about anything upper body

There just isn’t enough information available to make a better guess than that

I can definitely understand how any of those could affect your shot. My shot wasn't very good anyway, but I returned to playing hockey about four weeks after suffering from some broken ribs (which was not a hockey-related injury - it actually happened because of rugby, in fact). The broken ribs were on the left side of my torso and I'm a left hand shot. It took me probably six months to feel fully comfortable playing the puck at all, never mind shooting. It's a good thing I wasn't much of a shooter in the first place (not being good at shooting was definitely a factor in that). Mostly a pass-first defenseman, and even getting mustard on hard passes was difficult at first.

 

[Relapsing]

The refs didn't call every penalty on the Sens either though. Greig runs the goalie with no contact, no effort to avoid the goalie. That's textbook goaltender interference. The Tavares crosscheck should have been a major. There was a missed high stick on Knies.

I bet if someone viewed that game looking for every infraction, the Sens still got away with more than the Leafs. The Sens keep talking about how they were 'the most penalized team in years' by adding a bunch of penalties they received/coincidental minors after the game was over as if they're serving them this game. If the Leafs include those penalties they were also one of the most penalized teams in years.

I find including the crosscheck an interesting one - It was assessed a 5 minute major specifically to give the refs and opportunity to review the play.

 

[MiscBrah]

The narrative with a loss with certainly be nothing has changed, but a loss is not that for sure. Depends how it goes. If the Sens blow us out? Yeah.

If it is 3-2 OT game? Shit happens this is the NHL playoffs and the Sens are allowed to be good too

Honestly, the whole narrative of Toronto choking is really about games to clinch a series and game 7s. Toronto often has the series lead and can't close it out. 3-1 against Montreal, 3-2 against Tampa, 3-2 vs Boston (2019).

 

[Divine]

I find including the crosscheck an interesting one - It was assessed a 5 minute major specifically to give the refs and opportunity to review the play.

Yes, and many analysts and former players were shocked it wasn't a 5 min. major. It was debateable for sure.

Very rare you review a crosscheck to the face and determine it's not a 5 min major. Missing it is one thing but looking at it and saying yeah it's the same as a crosscheck to the ass was certainly a choice. Crosschecks to the face usually lead to multi-game suspensions, let alone a 2 min. penalty.

 

[Strangle]

I’ll tell you what doesn’t bode well for us tonight if you’re superstitious

We don’t have summer rose tonight.

“She has suffered with us. She went through everything we went through. And now, she has come here with you. She is very close listening to every word we say.”

I changed a few words, but The Neverending Story is my favorite book and I never miss an opportunity to bring it up

 

[Relapsing]

Yes, and many analysts and former players were shocked it wasn't a 5 min. major. It was debateable for sure.

Very rare you review a crosscheck to the face and determine it's not a 5 min major. Missing it is one thing but looking at it and saying yeah it's the same as a crosscheck to the ass was certainly a choice. Crosschecks to the face usually lead to multi-game suspensions, let alone a 2 min. penalty.

Seems like assessing 5 to give the option to review is becoming standard practice. I thought this was generally understood. Not the first time it's happened this year

 

[MiscBrah]

Yes, and many analysts and former players were shocked it wasn't a 5 min. major. It was debateable for sure.

Very rare you review a crosscheck to the face and determine it's not a 5 min major. Missing it is one thing but looking at it and saying yeah it's the same as a crosscheck to the ass was certainly a choice. Crosschecks to the face usually lead to multi-game suspensions, let alone a 2 min. penalty.

huh, i didn't hear anything like that at all. It seemed that they were going to call it 2 minutes, and then changed it specifically to a major so that NHL could review it and make a decision. It seemed like something that has been arranged by the NHL where they want the refs to give the highest possible penalty and then let the league review it versus giving what they think the penalty should be and then potentially getting it "wrong". It happened in the other game as well where they did the 4 minute penalty on the high-stick and then reversed it on review. it seems like some workaround the NHL is doing to have league ops review more penalties in the playoffs. I don't think it's appropriate but that seems to be the mandate this year. I would expect it to happen more often. I don't think we can apply the same standards from previous years because they weren't doing this before.

 

[Divine]

huh, i didn't hear anything like that at all. It seemed that they were going to call it 2 minutes, and then changed it specifically to a major so that NHL could review it and make a decision. It seemed like something that has been arranged by the NHL where they want the refs to give the highest possible penalty and then let the league review it versus giving what they think the penalty should be and then potentially getting it "wrong". It happened in the other game as well where they did the 4 minute penalty on the high-stick and then reversed it on review. it seems like some workaround the NHL is doing to have league ops review more penalties in the playoffs. I don't think it's appropriate but that seems to be the mandate this year. I would expect it to happen more often. I don't think we can apply the same standards from previous years because they weren't doing this before.

Yes, but a high sticking without blood is always a 2. That's the rule and it's always been that way.

A crosscheck to the face the league has ruled deserves a multi-game suspension, not a 2 minute penalty.

 

[Relapsing]

huh, i didn't hear anything like that at all. It seemed that they were going to call it 2 minutes, and then changed it specifically to a major so that NHL could review it and make a decision. It seemed like something that has been arranged by the NHL where they want the refs to give the highest possible penalty and then let the league review it versus giving what they think the penalty should be and then potentially getting it "wrong". It happened in the other game as well where they did the 4 minute penalty on the high-stick and then reversed it on review. it seems like some workaround the NHL is doing to have league ops review more penalties in the playoffs. I don't think it's appropriate but that seems to be the mandate this year. I would expect it to happen more often. I don't think we can apply the same standards from previous years because they weren't doing this before.

I wasn't positive on the review being done by the League, appreciate that confirmation!

Edit: That was wrong - the refs review the play, not the League.

 

[Divine]

I wasn't positive on the review being done by the League, appreciate that confirmation!

The NHL did not review it, the officials did. The NHL does not review in-game penalty calls.

 

[Strangle]

I can definitely understand how any of those could affect your shot. My shot wasn't very good anyway, but I returned to playing hockey about four weeks after suffering from some broken ribs (which was not a hockey-related injury - it actually happened because of rugby, in fact). The broken ribs were on the left side of my torso and I'm a left hand shot. It took me probably six months to feel fully comfortable playing the puck at all, never mind shooting. It's a good thing I wasn't much of a shooter in the first place (not being good at shooting was definitely a factor in that). Mostly a pass-first defenseman, and even getting mustard on hard passes was difficult at first.

I played rugby, too! Flanker. We had a great team I love rugby

I saw one of the toughest guys I’ve ever met break a rib playing rugby, even breathing was so painful for him.

The only injury I ever got was a busted eardrum from a headbutt, honestly not that bad at all.

Embarrassingly, I can’t skate. Raised by a very young mother who couldn’t afford decent skates (every skate I ever owned was 3rd or 4th hand, and always those old leather ones) and she wasn’t interested in pushing me to learn to skate. Which is fine

I’m 43 now and still try to skate every winter. One of these years I’m going to put in all the effort and actually dedicate a winter to skating.

I need to skate for real once in my life and I’m still in good enough shape to make it happen.

Bucket list kind of stuff lol

 

[ACC1224]

We outscored Ottawa 3-2 5v5. The fact their PK was that bad...against a PP that has historically struggled immensely in the playoffs is a problem for Ottawa. You are going to have to kill penalties at some point and it won't be the refs fault if you are incapable of doing it.

Wanna bet?

 

[HockeyVirus]

I’ll tell you what doesn’t bode well for us tonight if you’re superstitious

We don’t have summer rose tonight.

“She has suffered with us. She went through everything we went through. And now, she has come here with you. She is very close listening to every word we say.”

I changed a few words, but The Neverending Story is my favorite book and I never miss an opportunity to bring it up

It's the playoffs next man up mentality. Need another wholesome poster to step up

 

[MiscBrah]

The NHL did not review it, the officials did. The NHL does not review in-game penalty calls.

Yes, that's what I meant. Apologies for the confusion. They changed it so that the refs could review it.

 

[Strangle]

I can feel the tension in the air. I'm turning up the temperature right now to about 82 so it gets hot, and sweaty before the game.

Everyone better do their pushups for the leafs tonight!

 

[Strangle]

It's the playoffs next man up mentality. Need another wholesome poster to step up

Do you know anyone??

 

[PROUD PAPA]

Could see a less physical game tonight. As much as I love the physicality it’s always good to remember the playoffs don’t end after the 1st rd.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Do you know anyone??

My boy @MCR74

 

[Relapsing]

Yes, but a high sticking without blood is always a 2. That's the rule and it's always been that way.

A crosscheck to the face the league has ruled deserves a multi-game suspension, not a 2 minute penalty.

I thought the DOPS wheel-o-random was the one thing all NHL fans could agree on!

huh, i didn't hear anything like that at all. It seemed that they were going to call it 2 minutes, and then changed it specifically to a major so that NHL could review it and make a decision. It seemed like something that has been arranged by the NHL where they want the refs to give the highest possible penalty and then let the league review it versus giving what they think the penalty should be and then potentially getting it "wrong". It happened in the other game as well where they did the 4 minute penalty on the high-stick and then reversed it on review. it seems like some workaround the NHL is doing to have league ops review more penalties in the playoffs. I don't think it's appropriate but that seems to be the mandate this year. I would expect it to happen more often. I don't think we can apply the same standards from previous years because they weren't doing this before.

The NHL did not review it, the officials did. The NHL does not review in-game penalty calls.

Well, whoever is responsible for the review, calling a 5-minute major to provide the opportunity to let the refs conduct a video review is a thing now.

Notably, a similar situation happened in November on a Pacioretty boarding call, in which a 5-minute major was nullified.