Eastside Hockey Manager - Part X Patch 1.5 Edition! (Open Beta)

Smirnov2Chistov

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I think I asked before, but I'm not sure if this can happen without the actual in-game editor. I'll shoot my shot anyway.

Years ago I enabled Portugal to be a nation that was able to play International Tournaments (World Championships and they get to somehow play in the Olympics). For the life of me, I can't seem to figure out why they aren't able to have a coach or staff when they play in these big events.

Is there any way to make this playable, or no? The game picks the rosters and lines completely normal as if there is a coach/GM picking them.
 

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NHLX 21-22 - Test Post 1.5

2022 World Junior Championships - Preview
Always a fun tournament to follow, thought I'd share some results in this sim, but first some pre-sim analysis of the rosters:

Roster Preview

Canada
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Star Players
: Sebastian Cossa (G), Owen Power (D), Brandt Clarke (D), Shane Wright (F), Connor Bedard (F)
- Loaded as usual, the star power is extreme on this team with Wright and Bedard expected to light up the ice. The entire team are 02's and 03's outside of those two phenoms. With depth and experience to boot, anything less than Gold will be a disappointment for a stellar Team Canada.

Czech Republic
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Star Players:
Nick Malik (G), Stanislav Svozil (D), Jan Mysak (F), Jiri Kulich (F)
- The Czechs will sorely miss star defender David Jiricek who for some reason wasn't released by Plzen. Two 16 year-olds made the squad in forwards Dominik Petr and Eduard Sale. Hard to make of how they will do. If a guy like Kulich can step up and be a pivotal star, that would help.

Finland
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Star Players
: Aleksi Heimosalmi (D), Sami Helenius (F), Joakim Kemell (F), Brad Lambert (F), Aatu Raty (F)
- The Finns can never be counted out of international tournaments as they often player better than the sum of their parts but there are questions about this team. The JYP trio of Kemell, Helenius and Lambert will be heavily relied upon up front. Hopefully underager Otto Salin can inject some talent to the blueline. This roster is filled with unheralded '02's - so experienced but perhaps lacking individual qualities.

Germany
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Star Players:
Max Glotzl (D), Florian Elias (F), John Peterka (F), Alexander Blank (F)
- The Germans will miss the star quality of Lukas Reichel who is in the NHL but they've done well enough on the player development front that they shouldn't be pushovers. Peterka will be counted on to lead the line up front along with Elias. A few underagers like Luca Hauf and Julian Lutz are capable of breakout performances.

Latvia
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Star Players
: Bruno Bruveris (G), Harjis Brants (D), Oskars Lapinskis (F)
- Latvia will be heavy favorites to get demoted this year. Big lack of talent although there are some underagers who could catch the eye with the likes of Rainers Darzins, Dans Locmelis and Sandis Vilmanis.

Russia
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Star Players
: Yaroslav Askarov (G), Shakir Mukhamadullin (D), Marat Khusnutdinov (F), Ivan Miroshchenko (F), Danila Yurov (F)
- The Russians bring a really talented squad to the tournament - with the like of Fyodor Svechkov, Nikita Chibrikov, Kirill Kirsanov and 16 year-old phenom defenseman Mikhail Gulyayev supporting the stars above. But one guy is absent - all-world prospect Matvey Michkov was not released by SKA and it deprives us of seeing him go against Wright and Bedard. It could also be the difference between Russia being "good" and Russia winning the entire tournament.

Slovakia
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Star Players
: Simon Nemec (D), Juraj Slafkovsky (F), Dalibor Dvorsky (F), Peter Repcik (F)
- The Slovaks are an extremely talented but young team, loaded with underagers in the '04 and '05 birthyear, including all of their top players. Probably a year too soon for them to be at their peak but they certainly have the talent to go toe-to-toe with anybody...this tournament should be the trial run for a team that could be a favorite in 2023.

Sweden
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Star Players
: Calle Clang (G), Simon Edvinsson (D), Elias Salomonsson (D), Alexander Holtz (F)
- The Swedes will sorely miss William Eklund and Jesper Wallstedt who was not released by Djurgardens and Lulea respectively. And with Lucas Raymond in the NHL - it is a team lacking star power outside of Holtz who will be relied upon in a big way. Let's see if '04 born Noah Ostlund or '05 phenom Otto Stenberg can step up. Not a vintage Sweden, for sure.

Switzerland
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Star Players:
Lian Bichsel (D), Noah Meier (D), Dario Allenspach (F), Simon Knak (F)
- Hard to imagine this Swiss team amounting to much, would not be surprising if they end up in the relegation games. Bischel is a legit NHL prospect as an underager here but there is an incredible lack of star power on this team and it will be up to "experienced" vets like Allenspach and Knak to score enough goals for survival.

United States
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Star Players
: Drew Commesso (G), Luke Hughes (D), Brock Faber (D), Matt Beniers (F), Thomas Bordeleau (F)
- The USA may not have the phenoms that Canada does but they boast an equally deep and experienced roster and a ton of continuity plus an injection of talent from a deep '04 group that includes likely high draft picks like Logan Cooley, Rutger McGroarty and Seamus Casey. Plus the USA got experienced forward Jacob Perreault to switch allegiances in a battle with Team Canada. This team can definitely win it all.
 
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I think I asked before, but I'm not sure if this can happen without the actual in-game editor. I'll shoot my shot anyway.

Years ago I enabled Portugal to be a nation that was able to play International Tournaments (World Championships and they get to somehow play in the Olympics). For the life of me, I can't seem to figure out why they aren't able to have a coach or staff when they play in these big events.

Is there any way to make this playable, or no? The game picks the rosters and lines completely normal as if there is a coach/GM picking them.

Are there decent quality staff/players with Portugal as a primary nationality for the game to choose from? The game does a bad job creating staff from scratch you may need to do that manually, players should be ok if you run with the game with "add players to national team pools".
 

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Are there decent quality staff/players with Portugal as a primary nationality for the game to choose from? The game does a bad job creating staff from scratch you may need to do that manually, players should be ok if you run with the game with "add players to national team pools".

There are a few, but the game doesn't even register them as having an 'available job' when the tournament is over. Again, they are probably not even supposed to be 'playable' anyway, just wanted to alter the in-game experience.
 

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There are a few, but the game doesn't even register them as having an 'available job' when the tournament is over. Again, they are probably not even supposed to be 'playable' anyway, just wanted to alter the in-game experience.

I was shitty to you the other day in another thread. Sorry about that.

/unrelated
 

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There are a few, but the game doesn't even register them as having an 'available job' when the tournament is over. Again, they are probably not even supposed to be 'playable' anyway, just wanted to alter the in-game experience.

I'm sure there is some sort of reputational floor they need to meet to be considered, you may just want to try making some fake guys.
 
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I'm sure there is some sort of reputational floor they need to meet to be considered, you may just want to try making some fake guys.

thanks for the input! I can even take this to messenger if you want, I’ve been altering players nationalities to increase the pool by using the EHM Assistant
 
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thanks for the input! I can even take this to messenger if you want, I’ve been altering players nationalities to increase the pool by using the EHM Assistant

You might want to do this in the database using the Editor rather than in the Assistant. The game logic to determine whether a nation is playable might only apply at game start.
 
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I've been trying to export Player Career Histories from a saved game using the Editor, but it keeps outputting an empty spreadsheet. Every other export seems to work just fine except for that one. Anyone having similar issues or know what's going wrong here?
 

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I've been trying to export Player Career Histories from a saved game using the Editor, but it keeps outputting an empty spreadsheet. Every other export seems to work just fine except for that one. Anyone having similar issues or know what's going wrong here?

The histories in the saved game appear to be stored in another table within the database and I've never been able to figure out the structure. So the Player Career History table shown in the Editor is unfortunately blank.
 
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I think I asked before, but I'm not sure if this can happen without the actual in-game editor. I'll shoot my shot anyway.

Years ago I enabled Portugal to be a nation that was able to play International Tournaments (World Championships and they get to somehow play in the Olympics). For the life of me, I can't seem to figure out why they aren't able to have a coach or staff when they play in these big events.

Is there any way to make this playable, or no? The game picks the rosters and lines completely normal as if there is a coach/GM picking them.
I'll confirm this weekend, but I have a modded DB with expanded Ukrainian Hockey League with juniors and a 2nd division and all that, ranking Ukraine in between roughly Germany and Finland playing in Olympics, WJC, World Championship etc. and I'm pretty sure it's playable as well. Will get back to you
 
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Ok, I think I'm very close to successfully editing a schedule after having changed the number of teams in the league. One thing I cant figure out is that it's scheduling 3-in-3's (I'm working in the ECHL), only scheduling Wednesday-Friday, even though when had the dates I picked Saturday, Sunday, and Monday (trying to do Thursday-Monday schedule. I have a schedule that starts September 25 and ends March 19, but not getting the days of the week I want.

I should say though that there is a status error coming up about the matrix being enabled ("Missing schedule dates: Stage 2 has 2 schedule dates but should have 0 dates as a schedule template is enabled. Stage 3 has 2 schedule dates but should have 0 dates as a schedule template is enabled. Stage 4 'Number of Dates' should be 2 and 'Rounds' should be 1 as a schedule template is enabled. Stage 4 has 2 schedule dates but should have 0 dates as a schedule template is enabled.") I haven't figured this one out yet, but haven't gotten errors when running the league
 

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Ok, I think I'm very close to successfully editing a schedule after having changed the number of teams in the league. One thing I cant figure out is that it's scheduling 3-in-3's (I'm working in the ECHL), only scheduling Wednesday-Friday, even though when had the dates I picked Saturday, Sunday, and Monday (trying to do Thursday-Monday schedule. I have a schedule that starts September 25 and ends March 19, but not getting the days of the week I want.

I should say though that there is a status error coming up about the matrix being enabled ("Missing schedule dates: Stage 2 has 2 schedule dates but should have 0 dates as a schedule template is enabled. Stage 3 has 2 schedule dates but should have 0 dates as a schedule template is enabled. Stage 4 'Number of Dates' should be 2 and 'Rounds' should be 1 as a schedule template is enabled. Stage 4 has 2 schedule dates but should have 0 dates as a schedule template is enabled.") I haven't figured this one out yet, but haven't gotten errors when running the league

Schedule templates can only be used in the initial stage only, all other stages have to use dates. Will be hard to troubleshoot without screenshots
 

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Schedule templates can only be used in the initial stage only, all other stages have to use dates. Will be hard to troubleshoot without screenshots

Ok, that actually makes sense to me, I erased the dates from stages 2-4. Although it did run the season to completion with that error. I tried the same in another league (KHL) only redoing the schedule matrix, and came up with a similar schedule.

So here's a few things I'm looking at, this is without errors now

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Ok, that actually makes sense to me, I erased the dates from stages 2-4. Although it did run the season to completion with that error. I tried the same in another league (KHL) only redoing the schedule matrix, and came up with a similar schedule.

So here's a few things I'm looking at, this is without errors now

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I need to see the league structure in the Editor the Stages -> Structure, Rules, Schedule Dates tab for each stage.

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so those first four stages should be your concurrent initial stage, what this is saying is treat stages 0-4 as one single concurrent stage:

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This should already be set, I assume your issue is the games aren't being played on the weekends? This have the start and end date set to -1 this means "any", this should be set to the true -to-life day of the week the season should start and stop and this needs to align with the dates in your schedule template. Also on the schedule template screen make sure your Starting Day is again matching the day of the week of the date in the schedule template.

One cavat with scheduling across EHM as a whole (templates or dates) is you eventually lose control of all scheduling as the sim goes on, eventually you end up with 3-4 games back to back, its just a known issue with the game code but its tough to debug as you have to sim like 10+ years to reproduce issues.

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One little teaser for the next release is we have acquired salary data across the entire KHL and have salaries set for real life contracts. We still have to play with financial data to get the balance a little better for year 2+ but we are getting there. Massive changes across the DB for financial info again world-wide.

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GKJ

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so those first four stages should be your concurrent initial stage, what this is saying is treat stages 0-4 as one single concurrent stage:

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This should already be set, I assume your issue is the games aren't being played on the weekends? This have the start and end date set to -1 this means "any", this should be set to the true -to-life day of the week the season should start and stop and this needs to align with the dates in your schedule template. Also on the schedule template screen make sure your Starting Day is again matching the day of the week of the date in the schedule template.

One cavat with scheduling across EHM as a whole (templates or dates) is you eventually lose control of all scheduling as the sim goes on, eventually you end up with 3-4 games back to back, its just a known issue with the game code but its tough to debug as you have to sim like 10+ years to reproduce issues.

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Yes, the issue is that it's not scheduling most weekends. There are ones here and there. I know as time goes on that the schedule does tend to get away from making sure all the weekends are a priority. Was hoping these road trips were a bit more focused, or have like the 2-game miniseries that you tend to see, but ultimately trying to be away from 3-in-3's. The last ones I ran, I only made it a 64-game season.

So, the Basic Data screen does have 4 in that slot. Are you saying on the 'schedule dates' screen under Date it should say '-1' even though it has that under Day as well?

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I haven't played in a while and want to try the new Pivot 21-22 rosters, but I'm on 1.4.1, and I guess I need 1.5 for it to work, but I don't know how to update. Can anyone help?
 

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I haven't played in a while and want to try the new Pivot 21-22 rosters, but I'm on 1.4.1, and I guess I need 1.5 for it to work, but I don't know how to update. Can anyone help?

This was the direction I got earlier this year in this thread

Yes. In steam, right click the game, go into properties and Beta. Activate the opt-in for the beta and voila!
 

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