I hate when he puts Kane and Wheeler on the same line. Not sure why he did that tonight, trying to spark Wheeler? Frolik looks good with any line, Seto is pretty consistent with his effort and forecheck. Wheeler should just slide all the way down to the 4th line when he's giving away SH 2 on 1's just by being weak on the puck.
Post-Game Talk: East, more like LEast amirite? Jets win 3-1, Pavelec hits century mark for wins.
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I hate when he puts Kane and Wheeler on the same line. Not sure why he did that tonight, trying to spark Wheeler? Frolik looks good with any line, Seto is pretty consistent with his effort and forecheck. Wheeler should just slide all the way down to the 4th line when he's giving away SH 2 on 1's just by being weak on the puck.
King Woodballs
Captain Awesome
The jets won
It doesn't matter why
He is trying what he can to get certain players going.
Duke749
Savannah Ghost Pirates
Byfuglien might be a top 10 defenseman so far this year. The scary part? Enstrom has been better despite the lack of points. When he had 3 Devils converge on him and he just slides the puck up the boards on his backhand, I was just in awe. That's a player who thinks the game at an elite level.
In a nutshell, he said when his lines are struggling offensively he mixes it up. He said it gets the guys talking on the ice more because they aren't used to each other. You'll have to listen to it.
That's what cracks me up. I thought we played pretty decent in the 1st and 2nd period. Offensively that is. As soon as he mixed up the lines we started to chase the puck.
garret9
AKA#VitoCorrelationi
Interesting.
Ellerby was pretty consistently a '+' in shot metrics until the last two games.
Now he's been severely minus.
Hmmm... What changed for Ellerby two games ago?
Ellerby was pretty consistently a '+' in shot metrics until the last two games.
Now he's been severely minus.
Hmmm... What changed for Ellerby two games ago?
Well, maybe he should try developing a system. That might get them going. Changing lines game after game is getting old 3 seasons in.
garret9
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Avocado Coolranch
Just a fool
Personally like Wright on the PK. Pretty good defensive awareness and checks well. But I am pretty surprised that Frolik hasn't seen the PK as much as I thought he would being a PK specialist in Chicago and all. Yeah, Wright has no offensive capabilities whatsoever but if he isn't a liability I don't really see it being much of a problem being that he is just a 4th liner....which usually aren't impact players offensively anyway. He has done a pretty good job at center replacing slater in faceoffs as well. I can understand having Wright being replaced by Slater when Slater comes back but for the time being, I am okay with Wright at center on the fourth line.
wilty00
Registered User
Pretty much. Wish I had the stat that someone posted earlier showing just how inept the guy is offensively.
It's weird 'cause when we first picked him up last year he was getting multiple chances per game and actually just had some absolute **** puck luck, but atleast you noticed the hustle and effort that he was putting in. He's not bagging it but you just don't notice him anymore unless he's turning the puck over and single handedly killing every play that develops.
See, that to me is a problem. Successful teams (ie. those who win the cup or hell even make the playoffs) aren't happy with having dead weight fourth lines. How often do you see an entire line who, 26 games into the season, has ONE POINT collectively between the three of them? Because that's what we're icing right now and it's ****ing embarrassing. Even just looking at his stat line right now I laugh out loud. Atleast with guys like Colton Orr they'll cave someones face in once in awhile.
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Blue Shakehead
because lol Jets
Lol. maybe save your insufferable Stuart bashing for when he has a bad game? He was rock solid these last two games. 5 blocked shots, negated two scoring chances tonight. But those numbers are dumb right? You like Corsi, we get it, but its comically terrible for judging value of defensive defensemen.
Mathmew Purrrr Oh
#meowmeowmeowmeow
he was so bad this game the Devils didn't even pressure him in his own zone - they just had one man above and below on boards and he still turned it over
garret9
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Never thought those numbers are dumb, they just don't define overall contribution. Players can do somethings well and bad.
I don't think he had a good game.
It is comically awesome for judging value of overall player contribution relative to usage.
Defensive or offensive or whatever is just how you get to that overall contribution.
I also don't judge just by Corsi but:
* scoring chances +/-
* zone exits success/fails
* unforced possession loses in the d-zone relative to number of puck possessions
* etc.
EDIT: oh ya and my eyes
Blue Shakehead
because lol Jets
Yup, everybody praising him tonight are dumb. Coaches, teammates, Hnidy et all.
Duke749
Savannah Ghost Pirates
Stuart just isn't what he was a 2-3 years ago. I don't mind him filling in if injuries happen, but at this point, I think he might be a guy on the outside looking in.
For what it's worth, I thought Stuart was decent. Did make a couple of good blocks and some other solid plays. But he just can't move the puck out of the zone very well.
Also find Frolik tries to reverse the puck too much in his own zone and it bites him in the ass sometimes. Don't know if anyone else noticed that or not. Still want him back though. Really like him on the 3rd line. I think he can be a staple there for us.
For what it's worth, I thought Stuart was decent. Did make a couple of good blocks and some other solid plays. But he just can't move the puck out of the zone very well.
Also find Frolik tries to reverse the puck too much in his own zone and it bites him in the ass sometimes. Don't know if anyone else noticed that or not. Still want him back though. Really like him on the 3rd line. I think he can be a staple there for us.
Andy6
Court Jetster
One thing the Devils announcers were mentioning, which is true, is that while this is a long road trip for the Jets it is also unusually leisurely, with no back-to-back games and even a couple of times when they get two days off (and little travel as they're in the NYC-Philadelphia area until early next week). They were saying how hard it is for a coach to keep the team focused in that situation. Wonder how the intensity will be in some of these upcoming games.
Nice win. Jets are only one point down from my expectations over the last three games: expected the loss to Chicago, thought we'd win the Wild game though. Also expected this win.
garret9
AKA#VitoCorrelationi
Stuart can defend okay but he gets lost in his d-zone a lot, loses his man, his poke checking is just sad, no footspeed to keep up, and is in the NHL top 10 worst d-men for succeeding in zone exits, which is why he tends to be one of the most out shot D in the league...
It's just like what Tippett said:
Mark Stuart is a perfect example of a guy who can defend pretty good in particular situations, but overall is a negative due to everything else.
Stuart is always defending all the time. Corsi is GREAT at detecting that for any defensemen, defensive or not.
It's just like what Tippett said:
Mark Stuart is a perfect example of a guy who can defend pretty good in particular situations, but overall is a negative due to everything else.
Stuart is always defending all the time. Corsi is GREAT at detecting that for any defensemen, defensive or not.
Positive
Enjoy your flight
I actually breathed a sigh of relief when they didn't start the next powerplay. Just not a good game for that line.
Duke749
Savannah Ghost Pirates
It's simple. He's playing center. He's very focused on the defensive side of the game and is rarely one of the first guys in. And he's not gonna go in a create a chance on his own. He needs a more talented/smarter linemate to do that. Otherwise, as long as he's playing center, he's pretty much a defensive specialists. Which is ok, but I'd rather him be a winger with Slater at center. If anything, his play at center shows the value Slater has.
Duke749
Savannah Ghost Pirates
This is really his major problem. This alone is what hurts him more then anything IMO. If he could do that well, I think it would cover up most of his other problems for the most part.
Blue Shakehead
because lol Jets
Never thought those numbers are dumb, they just don't define overall contribution. Players can do somethings well and bad.
I don't think he had a good game.
It is comically awesome for judging value of overall player contribution relative to usage.
Defensive or offensive or whatever is just how you get to that overall contribution.
I also don't judge just by Corsi but:
* scoring chances +/-
* zone exits success/fails
* unforced possession loses in the d-zone relative to number of puck possessions
* etc.
Well, Corsi against for *individuals* has been found to have almost no correlation with goals against, so how great is it at valuing defensive defenceman?
This reminds me of when you claimed Trouba wasn't an effective player and then I challenged you. You checked out zone starts and backed off but still claim he's not as effective as Hainsey. That type of analysis / faith in the numbers is going to have people wonder whether you're overvaluing their use.
garret9
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