Friedman: Dylan Larkin requests trade

[Empoleon8771]

Eichel was on another level from Larkin when traded. ROR was a proven playoff performer and Cup winner. Larkin is in the Bo Horvat range. So his value is like what the return for Horvat was. So the return will be good enough for Yzerman to flip for what he needs.

No he wasn't? I'm talking about the ROR to St. Louis trade from Buffalo.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Sure, but that still doesn't mean it was never written

Time is the only true test

Yeah, a 20 year old in the KHL up 8 on 2nd place on his team in 5 fewer games was a bit of a head-turner.

I don't think you have a proper appreciation of what it takes to be in the 1C conversation for my favorite team.

 

[RedHawkDown]

ROR and Eichel were 27 and 25 years old when those trades happened, not 30, and they were better players than Larkin. Also, Tage Thompson and Peyton Krebs were definitely considered Beaudoin/Stramel tier prospects at the time of those trades. Nobody expected Thompson to become a 40 goal scorer.

Hertl went for a 1st and David Edstrom 2 years ago when he was the same age Larkin is now. Larkin is a little better than Hertl was but the Sharks retained salary to reduce Hertl's hit to 6.5M compared to Larkin's 8.75M. Maybe Detroit gets slightly more than the Sharks did but we should expect a package built around late 1st/Yurov/Hayton/Beaudoin/Stramel tier assets not recent top 10 picks who are tracking to be top half of the lineup NHLers.

Truly ridiculous take regarding ROR.

Won’t even touch the rest.

 

[Hodge]

Truly ridiculous take regarding ROR.

Won’t even touch the rest.

Let's circle back on this when the trade is completed.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Truly ridiculous take regarding ROR.

Won’t even touch the rest.

Depends on how much you value defense and not crumbling in March, I guess.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

I dont think his job is safe enough for him to do so. This is probanly his last straw if he doesnt succeed here

If Yzerman were on thin ice, he would've already been fired for this.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Depends on how much you value defense and not crumbling in March, I guess.

He’s good defensively. Not sure where the narrative that he’s not is coming from.

Crumbling in March - no contention there. Certainly impacts is value. Then again if he didn’t do so, we’d have been in the playoffs the last three years and we’re not having this conversations now anyways.

 

[Frobbo]

Why would Larkin waive for Utah? If he wanted a young team on the fringe he could stay in Detroit

Utah is much farther along than RWs

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

Larkin is headed to Minnesota!

Not confirmed yet, but he is headed to Minnesota. They may announce it next week or before the draft.

 

[Cool Hand Puke]

Why is Detroit immune to the criticism of not getting a goalie?

 

[rynryn]

Larkin is headed to Minnesota!

Not confirmed yet, but he is headed to Minnesota. They may announce it next week or before the draft.

Billy likes him. We need a center. He's friends with Hughes. It's perfect. Now lets start discussing what it will take.

 

[newfy]

Tuch wasn't a better prospect than Yurov, the big difference is Tuch had several seasons in the league at the time of the trade, Yurov has only had one. Give him two more seasons and see where he's at. It'll be right on par with where Tuch was.

Can't say the same for Krebs and Stramel, but frankly Larkin isn't in the same tier as Eichel, and Vegas got Eichel from age 25-30, not age 30-35, so let's call it even.

Tuch had already had a 20 goal 50+ point season, a solid rookie season and was in the middle of an 18 goal in 55 games season at the time of the trade. He had almost 3 years of track record at the NHL level for teams to analyse and scout before the trade. But we're talking at the time of the trade, not just pure projection. Tuch had a much bigger track record of legit NHL play where teams were taking way less of a risk. Krebs was clearly ahead of Stramel by a lot.

And actually at the time of the trade Eichel wasn't far away from Larkin right now. He was seen as a locker room issue, he needed an experimental neck surgery that one teams doctors refused to sign off on and he was due for a huge pay day.

You can disagree with it if you want but that's all from Friedman and you know he's hearing about this stuff from people who are plugged in

Okay in that case Yurov is a better asset than Iginla from Utah, right?

Or are we gonna stop pretending we're not projecting a lot of these pieces out?

Or we can just pretend to be a little bit serious about these things. This is just a dumb argument. Of course players are being projected but Tuch vs Yurov at the time were honestly not even really close.

Yurov and Stramel aren't just a worse package than Tuch and Krebs. They're significantly worse

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

He’s good defensively. Not sure where the narrative that he’s not is coming from.

Crumbling in March - no contention there. Certainly impacts is value. Then again if he didn’t do so, we’d have been in the playoffs the last three years and we’re not having this conversations now anyways.

Good is fine. He has no top 20 Selke finishes. O'Reilly had 5 top 15 finishes before the trade to St. Louis.

O'Reilly was indisputably better.

 

[Cool Hand Puke]

Larkin to Utah for Hayton, McCartney and 1st.

 

[Rec T]

Billy likes him. We need a center. He's friends with Hughes. It's perfect. Now lets start discussing what it will take.

Have you slept through the previous 174 pages?

 

[Hodge]

Yurov and Stramel aren't just a worse package than Tuch and Krebs. They're significantly worse

Which makes sense considering 30-35 year old Dylan Larkin is a significantly worse asset than 25-30 year old Eichel even coming off ADR surgery.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Tuch had already had a 20 goal 50+ point season, a solid rookie season and was in the middle of an 18 goal in 55 games season at the time of the trade. He had almost 3 years of track record at the NHL level for teams to analyse and scout before the trade. But we're talking at the time of the trade, not just pure projection. Tuch had a much bigger track record of legit NHL play where teams were taking way less of a risk. Krebs was clearly ahead of Stramel by a lot.

This is fair. Fast forward Yurov 3 years and Detroit might have zero problem with it.

Chalk it up to bad timing.

 

[datsyukfan]

Larkin to Utah for Hayton, McCartney and 1st.

Not even close to enough

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

That's the PTSD. Kasper went bad in year 2, so Yurov doesn't get the benefit that most young players that showed they belong in the NHL get looking forward.

Nobody in Minnesota thinks he's "special" either. But DRW fans are still underrating his potential, probably mostly for the spiteful reason of Larkin only giving 3 teams. You're naive if you don't think it plays a part it in.

Again, I don't think there's any PTSD or underrating of Yurov. (For anyone not just being intentionally ridiculous) It's just I don't see how getting another Kasper/Danielson prospect helps us.

 

[Cool Hand Puke]

Not even close to enough

Detroit fans about to be disappointed

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

LeBrun article:

... Kinda sounds like this is turning in Detroit's favor.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Detroit fans about to be disappointed

I'd rather have Minnesota's package.

 

[datsyukfan]

Detroit fans about to be disappointed

I just don’t see yzerman getting pushed around and I don’t see him not getting 1 good nhl piece that can contribute right away. That’s why I think JJ peterka being in the deal makes sense with Utah

 

[newfy]

It's gonna be 1st, Beaudoin and Hayton for Larkin and Cossa or something like that.

Prospects like Desnoyers, Iginla and Simashev don't get moved for 30 year old centers.

How many 29 year old 1Cs have been traded with 5 years left at a reasonable cap hit? Not sure there's any comparable trades recently to say this at all.

We do have legit NHL insiders disagreeing with you though

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Detroit fans about to be disappointed

Buddy, you offered a bottom six forward, a 25 year old AHLer, and 19th OA.

It may not be great, but that's terrible.