Dylan Holloway 61gp 19g 26a 45pts

[PlushMinus]

“tHiS iS dELuSiOnAL cOpIuM”. They had zero cap space, and they still have zero cap space, and they are going to need every penny to be able to try to re-sign McDavid and Bouchard. They simply could not afford to pay Holloway and Broberg what they wanted. The decision to let them go was a calculated move done out of foresight. It’s sucks, but that’s the way she goes sometimes with the cap. Also, this has nothing to do with Bowman. This mess is the result of Nurse contract, among other mistakes.

Your username matches your opinions.

They signed Skinner and Arvidson on July 1st under some delusion that these two washed up has beens would solve their problems with scoring wingers. Arvidson is so frail he gets injured bending over in the shower to pick up the soap (hopefully not for reasons you are thinking of - get your mind out of the gutter). Skinner must have been pinching himself when an idiot GM offered him 3 million "Yay I will finally play in the playoffs!"on top of the money he was already getting for the Buffalo buyout. Wow how motivated do you think he is to prove himself to Edmonton fans?

Their combined stat line for Edmonton this season: 20-22-42 at a cost of 7 million bucks.

Holloway signs on Aug 20th for a 2x2.3 million contract. His stat line at 1/3rd of the cost: 22-29-51

Gee I wonder what the Oilers could have done with the 4.7 million they could have saved? Oh wait we already know! They would have blown it on some other washed up winger or dman.

Nothing to do with Bowman? I would use the laugh emoji but it's broken.

 

[AuraSphere]

“tHiS iS dELuSiOnAL cOpIuM”. They had zero cap space, and they still have zero cap space, and they are going to need every penny to be able to try to re-sign McDavid and Bouchard. They simply could not afford to pay Holloway and Broberg what they wanted. The decision to let them go was a calculated move done out of foresight. It’s sucks, but that’s the way she goes sometimes with the cap. Also, this has nothing to do with Bowman. This mess is the result of Nurse contract, among other mistakes.

I thought it was because they chose to go after Jeff Skinner instead - money was there

 

[Bizz]

45 points is not threadworthy for an NHL forward.

 

[rumrokh]

45 points is not threadworthy for an NHL forward.

Who has 45 points?

 

[SensontheRush]

Is "revisionist history" an Oilers best friend or something? Posters are oddly in lockstep with this as a defense.

...But that's also exactly how we evaluate people's work in EVERY domain? Yes, the GM/President is supposed to know better than the general layman, and it's pretty clear they pursued hype over sensible roster construction. Grabbed a bunch of wimpy, complementary wingers, instead of retaining their homegrown talent just coming into their own.

Who cares how many posters here were ready to give Jackson a handy over FA? All that matters is that they f***ed up, incorrectly evaluated their roster and their performers, made the team worse, and didn't/couldn't address ANY of their deficits because they have all this dead cap and bloat.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

I think the Blues taught the league a lesson pay your talent or offer sheets are coming from teams.

Oilers went big in FA and still have an amazing team. Currently have the best player on the world Draisaitl going on a tear could hit 60+ goals.

They had some strong young talent coming up the pipeline but refused to pay them fairly.
I think we will see some teams get offer sheeted these next few years if a team focuses on vets v RFA's.

 

[GreatSaveLuongo]

Oilers were looking for a young spark plug that can chip in goals right? Holloway was that guy

 

[shello]

45 points is not threadworthy for an NHL forward.

Went from 9 points last season to 51 after getting offersheeted lol

 

[Larry Hanson]

How is that?

Even if they'd signed Broberg (~$3-4M) and Holloway ($1.5-2M) prior to the offer sheets, that would still have been $5-6M in total cap.

Oilers spent $4M on Arvidsson and $3M on Skinner (for a total of $7M) and started the year essentially cap-maxed.

So if they'd kept them, they'd still have been only ~$1M below the cap.... maybe I'm answering my own question here, but are you proposing they'd then turn around and use Holloway & Broberg for Rantanen? I'm not sure even that math works.

I also think if they'd kept Holloway and had a young 19 goal winger, there'd be little interest in shiny objects like Rantanen.

It was reported (EF I think?) that Broberg was asking 1.8M and Holloway was asking 1.2M before other teams had a chance to make an offer, that's 3M combined or the same amount they gave Skinner. Also, if they were signed to those contracts they never would have gotten an offer sheet and could have been traded though it probably would have been best to keep them at those low cap hits.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Your daily reminder that the Oilers are one of the worst run franchises in the league.

 

[Mike Liut]

Holloway comes to play every night. He brings energy, skill, speed and physicality nightly. He’s probably a perennial 25-30g scorer. Such a great player. He’s a core player and the type you need in the playoffs.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Your username matches your opinions.

They signed Skinner and Arvidson on July 1st under some delusion that these two washed up has beens would solve their problems with scoring wingers. Arvidson is so frail he gets injured bending over in the shower to pick up the soap (hopefully not for reasons you are thinking of - get your mind out of the gutter). Skinner must have been pinching himself when an idiot GM offered him 3 million "Yay I will finally play in the playoffs!"on top of the money he was already getting for the Buffalo buyout. Wow how motivated do you think he is to prove himself to Edmonton fans?

Their combined stat line for Edmonton this season: 20-22-42 at a cost of 7 million bucks.

Holloway signs on Aug 20th for a 2x2.3 million contract. His stat line at 1/3rd of the cost: 22-29-51

Gee I wonder what the Oilers could have done with the 4.7 million they could have saved? Oh wait we already know! They would have blown it on some other washed up winger or dman.

Nothing to do with Bowman? I would use the laugh emoji but it's broken.

All of your analysis is things that would have made more sense to bring up if seeing the future was a thing. Arvidsson is injury prone, yes, but he also produced at a high rate to close out last season. He hasn't had any major injuries this year, odds were good that he would have produced at a better rate this season if he was healthy. He was a safer bet than Holloway to produce. In hindsight, do I wish we kept Holloway and left Arvidsson to someone else? Absolutely I do. But hindsight is 20-20. Skinner is a different story. His issues this year have rested with not being used properly by Knoblauch. 3M for a guy with Skinner's track record is fair. Skinner's production this year is low, but there are plenty of stats that show he would be producing very well if he was not moved to the 4th line or benched.

 

[BleedBlue14]

Holloway comes to play every night. He brings energy, skill, speed and physicality nightly. He’s probably a perennial 25-30g scorer. Such a great player. He’s a core core player and the type you need in the playoffs.

I'd expect that to be his floor going forward with his tools and the opportunities he's worked himself in to. He's got a great shot, great speed and looks really good handling the puck in tight. One of the most exciting forwards I've seen come through here in a long while.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

It’s crazy how the Oilers can’t esccape garbage management. Pure luck in the 2015 draft lottery has been keeping them from being the Buffalo Sabres.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Oilers really signed Skinner and Arvidsson bum asses for combined 7M and lost this dude who costs just 2.3 next couple years…

 

[bucks_oil]

It was reported (EF I think?) that Broberg was asking 1.8M and Holloway was asking 1.2M before other teams had a chance to make an offer, that's 3M combined or the same amount they gave Skinner. Also, if they were signed to those contracts they never would have gotten an offer sheet and could have been traded though it probably would have been best to keep them at those low cap hits.

Those aren't the numbers I heard. I heard $1.5-1.8 for Holloway and I heard nothing for Broberg... except that there were rumors he still wanted out unless the team made a big commitment to him (which I assumed meant a reasonably significant bridge salary).

In any case, I think we can agree that before Skinner and Arvidsson they would have been kept, but I don't think it was a foregone conclusion that they'd have Rantanen level spare change lying around this deadline. A big (like bigger than $5-6M) was probably still out of the question...

 

[BlueMed]

Dylan has 46 points in his last 47 games since Jim Montgomery has taken over.

 

[ORRFForever]

The kid is on a tear. Why-O-Why did Edmonton let him get away?

 

[ChicagoBlues]

3 more assists last night.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

Just a great player, exactly who you want for the playoffs.

 

[57special]

It's amazing to me how GM's seem to ignore age when assessing players. For every Pavelski, there are 10 others who's game falls off once they reach their 30's. Holloway...well i didn't see this season coming, but i liked his game a lot in WI, and thought he was a natural to be at least a 3rd line NHL. His early pro years were injury riddled and disappointing, but IMO, paying 1.2M for a still young player with talent was a no brainer for a team desperate for forward depth and youth.

Throw on top that he made it clear he wanted to stay in EDM, and wasn't known to be a problem... oof. I do agree that GM's might get over their reluctance to do offer sheets, given the success of STL this year. The fact that they targeted players with talent who were mediocre in their pro career rather than expensive(both in $$ and draft picks)high enders is also interesting.

 

[MoneyManny]

If the Oilers organisation never completely lucked out by drafting this generation's superstar i'm convinced they'd still be rebuilding right now.

 

[theVladiator]

It's amazing to me how GM's seem to ignore age when assessing players. For every Pavelski, there are 10 others who's game falls off once they reach their 30's. Holloway...well i didn't see this season coming, but i liked his game a lot in WI, and thought he was a natural to be at least a 3rd line NHL. His early pro years were injury riddled and disappointing, but IMO, paying 1.2M for a still young player with talent was a no brainer for a team desperate for forward depth and youth.

I do not think it's an earth shattering realization that NHL GMs do their best to grind down their replacement level player to the league minimum. This seems to be the case here, given that Holloway's ask of 1.2M wasn't met. So why did EDM management saw nothing else but a 4th line guy in Holloway? Why was he given only extremely brief stints in the top 6? Did he fail and the angry coach yanked him? Did his style of play just not mesh with Drai/McDavid? I mean, in EDM he looked like a guy who *might* eventually grow into a valuable 3rd line player. And it's not just the management/coach, that's how he saw himself there - his 1.2M ask from EDM reflects that. In STL he steps into a top6 role and is pretty darn good at it, so it's clear he wasn't really lacking anything.

 

[Bogey64]

69 Games - 22G 32A - Plus 13
This kid has game!

 

[Larry Hanson]

Those aren't the numbers I heard. I heard $1.5-1.8 for Holloway and I heard nothing for Broberg... except that there were rumors he still wanted out unless the team made a big commitment to him (which I assumed meant a reasonably significant bridge salary).

I was looking for a link to the tweet from Friedman and this post of yours from August came up in my search.

Broberg was asking for $1.8, Holloway for 1.2… Friedman reported that… these numbers came from out of the blue(s).

Nobody was expecting they’d shown enough for this to be a real threat. To that extent, t’s very well played by Armstrong… you can’t really blame Jackson or Skinner for this.

You'll have to take your own word for it (insert missing laughing emoji)

Or if you want to hear it from Friedman he discusses it here at 2:25 mark.

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