Dylan Guenther or Juraj Slafkovsky?

[CanadienShark]

Why am I talking about Slaf and Guenther in a thread about Slaf vs Guenther?

Think that one over for a second.

Also you replied to me lmao.

Slaf has bad defensive results and takes a lot of penalties while trying to defend. Yet the perception of him doesn't reflect that.

You see it CONSTANTLY where guys who are physical are viewed as good defensively, regardless of whether they actually are.

And guys who aren't physical are viewed as bad defensively, regardless of whether they actually are

You keep trying to change the topic. He's not a bad defensive player. Slafkovsky is good defensively. The comparison between the two is irrelevant when talking about an individual. It's not a one is good, other is bad situation. Think for a second. Try watching for a second. Your bizarre shtick on attacking everything about the Habs got old a year ago.

 

[EveryDay]

Anybody who is not a MTL player.

 

[dgibb10]

You keep trying to change the topic. He's not a bad defensive player. Slafkovsky is good defensively. The comparison between the two is irrelevant when talking about an individual. It's not a one is good, other is bad situation. Think for a second. Try watching for a second. Your bizarre shtick on attacking everything about the Habs got old a year ago.

What makes him a good defensive player? Because his defensive results are not good.

What makes him a better defensive player than Guenther? Because Guenther had better defensive results.

If Slafkofsky is better defensively than Guenther, why did Guenther have better defensive results?

 

[dgibb10]

You keep trying to change the topic. He's not a bad defensive player. Slafkovsky is good defensively. The comparison between the two is irrelevant when talking about an individual. It's not a one is good, other is bad situation. Think for a second. Try watching for a second. Your bizarre shtick on attacking everything about the Habs got old a year ago.

But keep avoiding the question.

Slaf has worse defensive results.

I even did most of the work for you, offering you potential reasons to explain how Slaf could be better defensively while still having worse results.

Such as Slafs linemates being worse.

Or the Dcore behind slaf being worse.

Or the coach slaf has being significantly worse.

You didn't seem to want to actually commit to any of these tho, because that would mean criticizing another MTL player.

It must be tough to stay in a delicate balance of both blaming everyone and nobody on MTL, whenever it is convenient.

 

[MXD]

in this point of their careers I'd expect Guenther to be a bit better which he is. However the Slafkovsky train is getting powered up and has a good chance to pass Guenther in the next year or two.

This is the medium answer.

 

[MXD]

But keep avoiding the question.

He's avoiding YOUR question, not THE question.

Which is the right thing to do, considering your post history.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

2 goals > 0
GUNTAINEC

 

[dgibb10]

He's avoiding YOUR question, not THE question.

Which is the right thing to do, considering your post history.

I apologize for making habs fans actually justify things.

Slaf had bad defensive results and took a lot of penalties.

Guenther also did not have good defensive results, but they were better than Slafs.

I have laid out the dcores behind them, the linemates they have, their utilization.

He has yet to provide anything beyond "Slaf is good defensively because I claim he is", and deflections where he gets upset that I'm comparing him to Dylan Guenther in a thread about comparing him to Dylan Guenther

 

[River Meadow]

Never watched him play, but I'll guess Dylan Gunter will be the better player.

 

[CanadienShark]

But keep avoiding the question.

Slaf has worse defensive results.

I even did most of the work for you, offering you potential reasons to explain how Slaf could be better defensively while still having worse results.

Such as Slafs linemates being worse.

Or the Dcore behind slaf being worse.

Or the coach slaf has being significantly worse.

You didn't seem to want to actually commit to any of these tho, because that would mean criticizing another MTL player.

It must be tough to stay in a delicate balance of both blaming everyone and nobody on MTL, whenever it is convenient.

Apparently my response was deleted when I asked why you continue to harp on Habs players unnecessarily. Your question has absolutely nothing to do with what I originally commented on. I don't care about what you're asking.

Let's review one more time, so you'll stop.

You claimed that Slafkovsky is only seen as good defensively because he hits. I responded that you clearly don't watch him play.

You decided to go on this meandering back and forth trying to compare Guenther to Slafkovsky.

 

[CanadienShark]

He's avoiding YOUR question, not THE question.

Which is the right thing to do, considering your post history.

Exactly. I'm not getting drawn into a back and forth troll fest. I've seen enough of his takes to know that's what he wants.

 

[dgibb10]

Apparently my response was deleted when I asked why you continue to harp on Habs players unnecessarily. Your question has absolutely nothing to do with what I originally commented on. I don't care about what you're asking.

Let's review one more time, so you'll stop.

You claimed that Slafkovsky is only seen as good defensively because he hits. I responded that you clearly don't watch him play.

You decided to go on this meandering back and forth trying to compare Guenther to Slafkovsky.

Juraj Slafkofsky is not good defensively. He does not have good defensive results.

As evidenced by this board post, a number of people seem to think he is (at least better than Guenther), with most of said posts mentioning his size or physicality or power forward in some way.

This is a common phenomenon seen across the league's fans.


If it makes you feel better, YOU can be someone overrating Slafkofsky's defense because you're a homer, instead of someone who does it because they can't differentiate between physicality and defense.

Again, I am sorry for trying to compare Guenther and Slafkofsky in the thread titled

"Dylan Guenther or Juraj Slafkovsky?"​

Whether they overrate physical players or simply underrate not physical players, it doesn't make a difference. Despite Guenther having better results defensively than Slafkofsky, he is percieved lesser as a 2 way player because of physicality.

Exactly. I'm not getting drawn into a back and forth troll fest. I've seen enough of his takes to know that's what he wants.

Anything to avoid having to back up a claim eh?

 

[dgibb10]

Apparently my response was deleted when I asked why you continue to harp on Habs players unnecessarily. Your question has absolutely nothing to do with what I originally commented on. I don't care about what you're asking.

Let's review one more time, so you'll stop.

You claimed that Slafkovsky is only seen as good defensively because he hits. I responded that you clearly don't watch him play.

You decided to go on this meandering back and forth trying to compare Guenther to Slafkovsky.

You seem to be forgetting that you replied to me.

"Why are you talking about the point you made that I replied to when I don't want to talk about that but I also don't want to back up the point I tried to make"

If you don't want to talk about Slafkofsky's defense, and you don't want to talk about Guenther's defense, and you don't want to talk about the general overrating of physical players 2 way abilities, then don't reply to the comment talking about those 3 things lmao.

 

[Fatass]

Both will settle in as middle six forwards on good teams. DG van PK.

 

[CanadienShark]

Juraj Slafkofsky is not good defensively. He does not have good defensive results.

As evidenced by this board post, a number of people seem to think he is (at least better than Guenther), with most of said posts mentioning his size or physicality or power forward in some way.

This is a common phenomenon seen across the league's fans.


If it makes you feel better, YOU can be someone overrating Slafkofsky's defense because you're a homer, instead of someone who does it because they can't differentiate between physicality and defense.

Again, I am sorry for trying to compare Guenther and Slafkofsky in the thread titled

"Dylan Guenther or Juraj Slafkovsky?"​

Whether they overrate physical players or simply underrate not physical players, it doesn't make a difference. Despite Guenther having better results defensively than Slafkofsky, he is percieved lesser as a 2 way player because of physicality.


Anything to avoid having to back up a claim eh?

You seem to be forgetting that you replied to me.

"Why are you talking about the point you made that I replied to when I don't want to talk about that but I also don't want to back up the point I tried to make"

If you don't want to talk about Slafkofsky's defense, and you don't want to talk about Guenther's defense, and you don't want to talk about the general overrating of physical players 2 way abilities, then don't reply to the comment talking about those 3 things lmao.

Take a deep breath and relax. This is ridiculous. Slafkovsky is an excellent player. Guenther is a great player too. Both can be reliable defensively.

 

[dgibb10]

Take a deep breath and relax. This is ridiculous. Slafkovsky is an excellent player. Guenther is a great player too. Both can be reliable defensively.

Both can be. Neither have been*, although guenther is closer to mediocre

 

[CanadienShark]

Both can be. Neither have been*, although guenther is closer to mediocre

Both are good players and again, Slafkovsky is good defensively.

 

[dgibb10]

Both are good players and again, Slafkovsky is good defensively.

The numbers and the eye test say otherwise (about Slaf defensively), but sure. If that makes you feel better you have fun with that.

 

[CanadienShark]

The numbers and the eye test say otherwise (about Slaf defensively), but sure. If that makes you feel better you have fun with that.

You? Eye test?

However hard I find that to believe, you can say and feel however you like. It's not accurate though. Slafkovsky is good defensively.

 

[dgibb10]

You? Eye test?

However hard I find that to believe, you can say and feel however you like. It's not accurate though. Slafkovsky is good defensively.

You have failed to provide anything to back that up besides homer hopes and dreams

 

[Plgilbert89]

Both will settle in as middle six forwards on good teams. DG van PK.

In what world those players are middle six forwards ? They most likely will be over a PPG players sooner than later. For me, its real close cause both will be superstars while playing important roles for their respective teams. I feel Guenther will be a 50 goals player which is very rare in the N so thats why I gave him a little edge. Slaf could very well end up having a better career too.

 

[Llewzaher]

50 goals? Yikes

 

[Fatass]

In what world those players are middle six forwards ? They most likely will be over a PPG players sooner than later. For me, its real close cause both will be superstars while playing important roles for their respective teams. I feel Guenther will be a 50 goals player which is very rare in the N so thats why I gave him a little edge. Slaf could very well end up having a better career too.

And that’s your opinion, which is fine. Imo they will both be 2/3 liners on top clubs. DG gets the nod from me because he can pk. Neither, imo, will be a key guy on an elite team. DG could be useful as a pk guy though, so that’s important. Do he could be a valuable 2nd liner.

 

[HabzSauce]

The numbers and the eye test say otherwise (about Slaf defensively), but sure. If that makes you feel better you have fun with that.

Idk about eye test part. I haven't really watched much of Guenther so i am not comparing, but in Slaf's case he looked good in his 2nd pro season. As others have mentioned his board play and ability to strip pucks is impressive. And his size definitely factors into the equation. Once he puts it all together in that frame he has serious potential to be a beast.

Important context though is Slaf is young. 20 years old still. Lots to work on obviously especially mentally (I want to see more confidence and assertiveness) but I like his trajectory a lot. He's shown me enough that he can become very good defensively one day. He has the tools for it.

 

[TheDoldrums]

50 goals? Yikes

He scored at a ~33 goal pace as a 20 year old. At 21 he already has a top 10 shot in the league imo. 50 goals someday is not an absurd prediction at all.