Value of: Dylan Cozens

[Fatass]

Cozens for Zegras?

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Cozens for Zegras?

...switching deck chairs...in fact, I'd take Cozens over Zegras all day every day...

 

[Mattilaus]

There seems to be some misunderstanding about trading the 1st round pick and how it could impact the team. My position is that getting an elite player, like EP40, would have a greater effect than just the player themselves. Getting a player like EP40 shows the rest of the team, that management is serious about winning. It also bumps everyone below him down a spot to likely get easier match ups.

I believe the psychological effect of showing the team you are gonna help and get them more skill would boost their production. Players don't care about what draft pick we get, but you get EP40 and even they start to getr hyped. These players haven't had a meaningful add to the team in years.

You can disagree with my thoughts and that's fine, but I believe trading the pick last summer would have been the right move if they had used it to get an elite player that signals to the rest of the team "okay, we are gonna help you guys, but playtime is over"

 

[Habs Halifax]

Why is that every time someone disagrees with you on the trade value of a Habs player, you immediately state that they are trashing the Habs. No, it is just that nobody else agrees with your ridiculous over valuing of every Montreal prospect.

Just me defending my opinion. It’s what we do here. You don’t have to agree but spare me with this style of poster attack

There is zero hockey content in your post.

Yes, I do believe there is a trend of trashing prospects in general. Doesn’t have to be that way. Just decline the offer. Simple

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

 

[Djp]

^^^ To all the posters above who REALLY wanted to trade the Sabres 2025 1st round pick last summer to get help/win now. How would that look now? Would you honestly say you still regret that kind of move wasn't made?

Sabres are staring at a top 3 pick in the draft and nobody they would have received 8 months ago in a trade would have pulled them out of the gutter. It would have been a terrible deal for Adams and co.

Teams that trade their first round picks to win now are contender and maybe bubble teams that are up and coming and it will take them over the top to win in the playoffs.

I'd love to trade picks and am entirely not married to them, I swear. But mortgaging picks to simply GET to a 10th seed (and still miss) and at MOST the 8th seed isn't worth it to me.

What is this?

If buffalo did s trade in the summer that they move their 1st would gave bern a karhr trade, not s small one

...because your options will probably be limited to teams wanting Cozens for a Playoff push...how many teams looking to push for the Playoffs are going to trade a BETTER player??...how many rebuilding teams are looking to trade a BETTER player to get Cozens +??...the Market is the problem for Buffalo, imo...

Hes not a rental for a playoff push. He has a lot of term left.

...agree in theory, but is a team like Nashville going to give up someone "BETTER" than Cozens when they want the same thing as Buffalo; to get relevent again??...imo, at best you're looking at a player who has relatively the same upside as Cozens in a change of scenery deal, unless Buffalo adds other pieces that it may hurt them in the future to move (a like Byram)...to nab a Petey or someone like that is going to cost heavy and it's not like a team like the Nucks want to retool, they also want to stay "relevant"...the Market this year is the #1 thing going against Buffalo...

I dont think nashville and buffalo are good trade partners for a player like cozens.

Buffalo has many young players they can trade ( excluding UFAs to be) like one of power/byram/ samuelsson, one of quinn/ benson/ peterka, one of their many prospect F in rochester and below

Prospects I do NOT see getting moved outside a blockbuster major trade would be Kulich, helenius/ Ostlund, and Wahlburg

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

I dont think nashville and buffalo are good trade partners for a player like cozens.

Buffalo has many young players they can trade ( excluding UFAs to be) like one of power/byram/ samuelsson, one of quinn/ benson/ peterka, one of their many prospect F in rochester and below

Prospects I do NOT see getting moved outside a blockbuster major trade would be Kulich, helenius/ Ostlund, and Wahlburg

...bundle Cozens & Power, imo...take a BIG swing...

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

Cozens is a weird trade option.

I feel he’s more off season move than trade deadline.

From a Jets perspective we need improvement on 2c over Namestnikov, but he’s producing higher than cozens is.

I feel cozens has a ton of long term potential, but isn’t a 2c for a playoff push this year for any team. He’s a lesser middlestadt and Colorado is looking to drop him yesterday and improve on 2c.

Cozens is a long term investment. I think teams will be willing to pay more in the offseason. If buff doesn’t want to continue to develop him that’s when I’d move him. Could be an amazing player though!

 

[jfhabs]

Seems like some Sabres want to get what he'd be worth IF he was playing to his potential , aka 60-70 pts center.

1st round picks, and recent 1st round picks prospect are considered like spare parts yet we're talking about a player who's going to turn 24 and has not played very well for 1.5 years and is signed at a lucrative contract for years to come. He's still young, but there's certainly a big risk for the acquiring team... That guy isn't worth 3 first rounders.

 

[jfhabs]

...bundle Cozens & Power, imo...take a BIG swing...

Who's available tho?

Rantanen and Necas were just moved.
Miller was just traded, doubt they move Pettersson now.

There was some king of smoke about Pastrnak but really doubt Boston moves him. He has NMC, doubt he waves for Buffalo.
Mitch Marner, maybe you're best bet, but soon to be UFA and has NMC too.

Really don't see who you target that make sense for both teams.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Who's available tho?

Rantanen and Necas were just moved.
Miller was just traded, doubt they move Pettersson now.

There was some king of smoke about Pastrnak but really doubt Boston moves him. He has NMC, doubt he waves for Buffalo.
Mitch Marner, maybe you're best bet, but soon to be UFA and has NMC too.

Really don't see who you target that make sense for both teams.

...and again we're back to it being the Market that's Buffalo's problem right now...

 

[57special]

A guy who is better on the wing, is scoring at a .5 P/PG clip, and makes 7M is not all that appealing.

 

[Mattilaus]

Seems like some Sabres want to get what he'd be worth IF he was playing to his potential , aka 60-70 pts center.

1st round picks, and recent 1st round picks prospect are considered like spare parts yet we're talking about a player who's going to turn 24 and has not played very well for 1.5 years and is signed at a lucrative contract for years to come. He's still young, but there's certainly a big risk for the acquiring team... That guy isn't worth 3 first rounders.

I feel reasonably confident in saying there isn't a single Buffalo fan in here asking for 3 first rounders for Cozens. Not one. So I have no idea what you are talking about.

All we have said, REPEATEDLY, is that we aren't interested in picks and prospects. The GM has said the same. IF Cozens is traded it is likely in a 1 for 1 deal for a similar player or with Cozens being part of a package for an impact player. This has been said multiple times.

 

[Brett44]

Mittelstadt + Colton +? for Quinn and Cozens

 

[chaser17]

Whoever trades for Cozens will be guaranteed a Stanley cup within the next 5 years. It is written in the stars.

 

[Beerz]

Mittelstadt + Colton +? for Quinn and Cozens

Take Quinn out.

 

[TageGod]

Unless it's for someone better in a package, keep him. He is likely to remain a 50-point 3C ish player at worst next year too. Contract will just be shorter.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Seems like some Sabres want to get what he'd be worth IF he was playing to his potential , aka 60-70 pts center.

1st round picks, and recent 1st round picks prospect are considered like spare parts yet we're talking about a player who's going to turn 24 and has not played very well for 1.5 years and is signed at a lucrative contract for years to come. He's still young, but there's certainly a big risk for the acquiring team... That guy isn't worth 3 first rounders.

Yes, there are risks/concerns from both sides....

Sabres have someone they really liked after his 31 goal and 68 pt season at age 21/22 (Feb 9th Birthdate) and they gave him a contract for this type of production or more (as he gets older). No doubt they want to get close to the 30/60 trade value. Most fans in this situation would say the same IMO.

The acquiring team or team trying to trade for him sees the potential of him rebounding to that level but there are no guarantees so they will not give locked in 60+ pts value either.

The only 1/1 trade that makes sense is someone drafted as high or around the same spot, showed potential like him, but faded like him (or struggling to get to the level you want them to be at).

My hunch says most teams are offering a NHL player (maybe not as good as Cozens), pick, and prospect.

 

[Jimmybarndoor2]

Yes, there are risks/concerns from both sides....

Sabres have someone they really liked after his 31 goal and 68 pt season at age 21/22 (Feb 9th Birthdate) and they gave him a contract for this type of production or more (as he gets older). No doubt they want to get close to the 30/60 trade value. Most fans in this situation would say the same IMO.

The acquiring team or team trying to trade for him sees the potential of him rebounding to that level but there are no guarantees so they will not give locked in 60+ pts value either.

The only 1/1 trade that makes sense is someone drafted as high or around the same spot, showed potential like him, but faded like him (or struggling to get to the level you want them to be at).

My hunch says most teams are offering a NHL player (maybe not as good as Cozens), pick, and prospect.

Fair enough and explains why Buffalo says no
Very hard to do this type of trade midseason
If happens, will likely be with another non contending team.

And Cozens would be part of a package for someone the Sabres see as a better player

 

[Lockin17]

Reinbacher for Cozens ?

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

Reinbacher for Cozens ?

...Reinbacher isn't for sale until he gets healthy and the Habs see what they possibly have in him...

 

[Habs Halifax]

Fair enough and explains why Buffalo says no
Very hard to do this type of trade midseason
If happens, will likely be with another non contending team.

And Cozens would be part of a package for someone the Sabres see as a better player

I always find this stuff interesting. A lot said by us fans and we can re evaluate what we said... if/when he is traded.

Reinbacher for Cozens ?

I mentioned that as a possible option of what we could offer on the Habs main boards a day or so ago and most say no. Keep Reinbacher.

 

[RC51]

Lets get something right. The most valuable asset for any nhl team is a prospect that is due to finally join the big team after having a fantastic 2-3 ahl or collage seasons for 2 BIG reasons. 1st he has proven to be a top top talent and 2nd is about to start his 3 year ELC. so he would be the cheapest 30-40 goal player for 3 years.
THATS GOLD. This is when suddenly teams want him but of course stating he has not played in the nhl so proved NOTHING. of course he is worth a bag of pucks only. Example Toews and Kane for the 1st three years, WOW.