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Player Discussion Dylan Cozens, C/RW, 2019 7th overall Part 2

Second time - this isn't the roster thread, or the Adams thread for those who must constantly go down that path. If y'all would put your replies in the appropriate places, that would be more helpful than it getting whacked for being so far off topic.

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HaNotsri said:
Looking better again, maybe the brain fog has finally lifted? I guess we'll se when we face a good team.

Not a top 6 center yet but I see him as a Tuch-level of player long term.
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He is good for sure but tuch has blossomed once he was traded over here always had solid production but really blew up
 
My Cozen Dylan said:
Except that Cozens isn't a center.
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Since the end of the 13-game losing streak, Cozens' metrics have been great, all while playing center:

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He's been elite over the past month as well. The individual scoring isn't quite where it needs to be, but he's been good at 5v5 - tied for 60th in the league over that span. The slow start was a thing, but he's starting to figure his game out and been very good for a while now. I mentioned this earlier in the year - I think deploying him with some vets instead of letting him flounder with with a bunch of kids has really helped him a great deal.

I think it's time to pivot from "we need a better player" to "what needs to change with his offseason program/preparation".

Add Quinn to that list as well.

truthbluth said:
Not quite there, but not far off. You certainly risk tanking his return the longer you wait.
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I was "there" before we drafted him, and barring several small glimpses of greatness, nothing since has deterred me. He has Karlsson-like on-ice impacts, but his d-zone play and engagement level is horrific, and likely always will be.

However, I don't think his value will ever "tank". Hell, in the last game all I can remember is him abandoning the front of the net and leaving a wide open Duck in the slot THREE times in a row in the last two minutes of a 1-goal game. But he was solely responsible for our first goal with his hard work in the O-zone along with his vision and passing. And at the end of the day, his metrics from the game were elite:

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I'd bet that there would be a long list of teams that would jump at the chance to maximize his strengths while mitigating his weaknesses with the right partner and/or deployment.
 
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Chainshot said:
Just wanted to take a moment to commend you for diving into those numbers for Cozens. That is some encouraging stuff for sure.
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I'll add this (despite the fact I usually don't like their takes):



It seems that Cozens is really starting to concentrate on playing the game the right way. He's simplified things; going north/south, Playing with physicality, getting shots on net, improving at the dot. It's all the things we thought he would build on from his career year.

Maybe he's finally unf***ed himself from the dreams of dangling his way to 40 goals.
 
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Not removing those from the roster thread, just breaking out copies here for later comment and perhaps speak to him actually moving in the right direction. Also because the roster thread moves about 20 posts on an off day. :biglaugh:
 
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Jeremy White on wgr this morning. You HAVE to trade Cozens at this point. He has gotten worse under Lindy and you cannot be scared to. Other players like Eichel, Reinhart were not bad players when they left (and why they did well), Cozens is bad.
 
ValJamesDuex said:
Jeremy White on wgr this morning. You HAVE to trade Cozens at this point. He has gotten worse under Lindy and you cannot be scared to. Other players like Eichel, Reinhart were not bad players when they left (and why they did well), Cozens is bad.
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That’s some scale he’s working on. “Not bad” players?

Reinhart - Won the cup. Was 2nd in the league in goals while being a great defensive player. One of the smartest players I’ve seen in my lifetime.

Eichel - Won the cup while being the points leader in the playoffs. After neck surgery. He just shut down McDavid in the 4 nations as a matchup center. Guy is a freak.

But they’re “not bad” I guess. People need to adjust their expectations when it comes to current Sabre player results.
 
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Samsonite23 said:
That’s some scale he’s working on. “Not bad” players?

Reinhart - Won the cup. Was 2nd in the league in goals while being a great defensive player. One of the smartest players I’ve seen in my lifetime.

Eichel - Won the cup while being the points leader in the playoffs. After neck surgery. He just shut down McDavid in the 4 nations as a matchup center. Guy is a freak.

But they’re “not bad” I guess. People need to adjust their expectations when it comes to current Sabre player results.
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His point was that they were not bad while playing here, while Cozens is right now.
 
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Welp, since I posted about Cozens' improvement, he has posted a whopping 39.6 xGF%, including a team worst 4.1 xGA/60 in the last 4 games.

So much for thinking that light bulb had come on :dunce:

The one bright spot is that at least his actuals haven't been terrible, the McLeod/Benson/Quinn line gets the mediocrity crown of achievement for shitty goal differential over the past few games.
 
Fezzy126 said:
His point was that they were not bad while playing here, while Cozens is right now.
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Right, and I’m saying that’s an idiotic way to frame the situation. You’re comparing two of the best players in the league to Dylan Cozens.

Is anybody on planet earth comparing Cozens to Eichel in terms of talent or expected performance?

If the point of the statement is to help determine if Cozens will be a good hockey player in the future, I don’t get how comparing him to Eichel/Reinhart makes any sense. It has nothing to do with Cozens.
 
Samsonite23 said:
Right, and I’m saying that’s an idiotic way to frame the situation. You’re comparing two of the best players in the league to Dylan Cozens.

Is anybody on planet earth comparing Cozens to Eichel in terms of talent or expected performance?

If the point of the statement is to help determine if Cozens will be a good hockey player in the future, I don’t get how comparing him to Eichel/Reinhart makes any sense. It has nothing to do with Cozens.
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Dude, you're missing his point... He never compared those players to Cozens.

Fans are afraid of trading a player like Cozens away because previous players we've traded away went onto extreme success (i.e. Eichel, Reinhart, O'Reilly)

His point is this: Despite the fact that we decided to trade them, those previous players were actually very good here. Cozens is not right now, so fans should not have the same level of fear of trading him away.

Essentially, JW made the same point that you are - that Cozens =/= Eichel, Reinhart, or O'Reilly
 
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Fezzy126 said:
Dude, you're missing his point... He never compared those players to Cozens.

Fans are afraid of trading a player like Cozens away because previous players we've traded away went onto extreme success (i.e. Eichel, Reinhart, O'Reilly)

His point is this: Despite the fact that we decided to trade them, those previous players were actually very good here. Cozens is not right now, so fans should not have the same level of fear of trading him away.

Essentially, JW made the same point that you are - that Cozens =/= Eichel, Reinhart, or O'Reilly
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Ok, I guess his point wasn’t to try and use their performance to determine Cozens future performance (which is essentially the same thing and being scared about trading him and him proceeding to play well).

So I’ll rephrase. What number fans have the same level of fear in trading Cozens as Eichel as you’re referring to? Zero? Again, one has nothing to do with the other.

Not trying to start an argument here. I guess this is just media nothing speak.
 
Cozens has 5 hits registered in the first period of his Sens debut. Players really do just decide not to play for us anymore.
 
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