Dwight King

[KingCanadain1976]

Came across this gem... did a double take... read it a 3rd time to make sure I didn't have something in my eye....

http://lakingsinsider.com/2014/10/15/october-15-practice-quotes-darryl-sutter/



Wait what? How did I miss this.....

At 25 and 230+ if he can learn the position, pick up the checking intensity we got a Stoll replacement in a couple years.... He can make a decent pass.... Maybe Sutter got the wrong name... thoughts?

I saw this as well I think Sutter is confused because he didn't take one face off according to nhl.com unless they had stoll take the drop and then had king take center after shrug

 

[Captain Mittens*]

I saw this as well I think Sutter is confused because he didn't take one face off according to nhl.com unless they had stoll take the drop and then had king take center after shrug

It's Sutter. He probably did it to **** with the media

 

[KingCanadain1976]

It's Sutter. He probably did it to **** with the media

very possible

 

[kingsfan]

This has been hashed out in the past. His stats are a bit inflated from his playing on the top line pre gabs Pearson. Hell his hat trick came playing with Kopi. Being a kings fan of all teams one would think you would know better to show stats, then say who's better.

So what were they without top line minutes?

 

[Ron*]

It's Sutter. He probably did it to **** with the media

Surprised he didn't say Crosby was good, but King is better.

 

[damacles1156]

So what were they without top line minutes?

More than Half of Dwight Kings career points have came playing bottom six minutes/position.

I have no idea why people keep bringing up his brief stint on Kopitar's wing(to justify trashing him).

That is a blip in Dwight Kings career(top six role), the guy has produced in a bottom six role his whole career so far...

Hell in 2011-12 King had 17 points in 28 games , another 8 points in 20 playoff games, all in a bottom six capacity.

 

[Choralone]

More than Half of Dwight Kings career points have came playing bottom six minutes/position.

I have no idea why people keep bringing up his brief stint on Kopitar's wing(to justify trashing him).

That is a blip in Dwight Kings career(top six role), the guy has produced in a bottom six role his whole career so far...

Hell in 2011-12 King had 17 points in 28 games , another 8 points in 20 playoff games, all in a bottom six capacity.

My favorite was in some thread "evaluating" Dwight King's production vs other Kings bottom-sixers someone said his hat trick shouldn't count in his point totals because it was an anomaly. They didn't even count one goal from that game for him - it was counted as zero goals for whatever weird math they did.

 

[KINGS17]

Some people just live in the past when it comes to King. They all had great playoffs.

Lets stick to last year okay.

King cant handle passes, and doesn't hit. All he has is size. And he's not too hot on the boards for a guy with that kind of size.

He's a 4th liner. And even for a 4th liner, there are better options than King.

I don't know where you get this. King doesn't make big open ice hits, but he does get in on the forecheck and mash the opposing defensemen into the boards. That's his game. BTW, Sutter loves the guy's board play, so I think I will go with his evaluation of King's play over your evaluation.

King isn't flashy, but he gets the job done and is a good utility player.

 

[damacles1156]

My favorite was in some thread "evaluating" Dwight King's production vs other Kings bottom-sixers someone said his hat trick shouldn't count in his point totals because it was an anomaly. They didn't even count one goal from that game for him - it was counted as zero goals for whatever weird math they did.

If you get a chance, find the old Dwight King thread and read it. It's comical.

I went through the past three years and how Dwight King has out produced Lewis/Clifford COMBINED.

It was collectively ignored by King bashers, then they complain how the Bottom six doesn't produce...Then want to trade the only guy that does produce in a bottom six role.

You can't make this stuff up.

 

[damacles1156]

I don't know where you get this. King doesn't make big open ice hits, but he does get in on the forecheck and mash the opposing defensemen into the boards. That's his game. BTW, Sutter loves the guy's board play, so I think I will go with his evaluation of King's play over your evaluation.

King isn't flashy, but he gets the job done and is a good utility player.

That saucer pass King made to Brown the other night for a goal was pretty flashy.

 

[Pucknut50]

I like King more than anyone on the bottom six, but he was as much of the problem with the Kings bottom six last season as anyone, to many 4th liners, not enough good 3rd liners.

King, Lewis, Clifford, Stoll, Nolan and Fraser were all fourth line quality by the end of last season.

All of those guys (with the exception of Fraser) have all shown flashes of being more than fourth liners, but the last memories of King and his bottom six teammates were playing awful in the playoffs. And it appears the bottom six will be largely unchanged, and that makes me nervous.

The Kings desperately need a few of those guys to emerge as quality third liners, perhaps King will be one of those guys, we'll see.

And yet we won 2 Stanley Cups in three years. You have a cap. Some salary's like Richards and Brown keeps you from having better skilled complimentary players. King fits the bill as much as anyone making similar money. He is unselfish, plays heavy, and has playoff experience. With the emergence of Toffolli and Pearson we are fine at forward. What we need is a veteran defenseman with a little more mobility rotating with Regher and Greene. McNabb with a full year in the Kings system may be that player.

 

[damacles1156]

King matched Lewis/Clifford last season as well in the playoff's.

11 points for King, Clifford/Lewis 12 points combined.

Lewis is suppose to be some playoff producer as well. For a guy that doesn't do anything (according to some). He consistently stumbles his way into out producing Lewis/Clifford combined yearly.

Here: Last post season.

King 3G 8A 11 points (not in the top six for post season)
Toffoli 7G 7A 14 points
Pearson 4G 8A 12 points

 

[KingCanadain1976]

King matched Lewis/Clifford last season as well in the playoff's.

11 points for King, Clifford/Lewis 12 points combined.

Lewis is suppose to be some playoff producer as well. For a guy that doesn't do anything (according to some). He consistently stumbles his way into out producing Lewis/Clifford combined yearly.

Here: Last post season.

King 3G 8A 11 points
Toffoli 7G 7A 14 points
Pearson 4G 8A 12 points

King damn well should out point clifford with the ice time he gets compared to him. Same with lewis I think you should some how factor that into your consideration . Remember Clifford avgs about 10 mins agame.

 

[damacles1156]

King damn well should out point clifford with the ice time he gets compared to him. Same with lewis I think you should some how factor that into your consideration . Remember Clifford avgs about 10 mins agame.

Clifford you have an argument for about less minutes, slightly. Some nights Clifford plays over 12 minutes. Don't act like Clifford doesn't play at all.

Don't even try that with Lewis...Lewis received numerous games last year with 16+ minutes(we complained about it). Trevor Lewis average ice time over the last three years is around 15 minutes....So don't you dare try and defend that non production...

Kyle Clifford (this season) has already averaged 11.5 minutes of ice time through four games. If it stays that way, that's plenty of ice time for Clifford to produce (something, anything).

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Clifford you have an argument for about less minutes, slightly. Some nights Clifford plays over 12 minutes. Don't act like Clifford doesn't play at all.

Don't even try that with Lewis...Lewis received numerous games last year with 16+ minutes(we complained about it). Trevor Lewis average ice time over the last three years is around 15 minutes....So don't you dare try and defend that non production...

Kyle Clifford (this season) has already averaged 11.5 minutes of ice time through four games. If it stays that way, that's plenty of ice time for Clifford to produce (something, anything).

and theres nights when he plays 8 his avg ice time is close to 10 mins last year. I am comparing King and lewis to clifford 5 extra mins would be huge to cliffords game. I am saying that if clifford had the same ice time as them his points would be higher then lewis and possibly king If he contines to get that much time i garentee him getting a carrer year points wise. Sadly i don't think he will When lewis returns he will return to 8 min games.

I don't ever try to defend lewis or any other king production but when your trying to say anything about Clifford offense I will step in with my reason of him playing the least amount of mins on avg of the kings regulars.


i see where what i wrote could be defending lewis as well It was poorly word I was comparing clifford to lewis and King not lewis to king sorry for the poor wording.

 

[kingsfan]

King damn well should out point clifford with the ice time he gets compared to him. Same with lewis I think you should some how factor that into your consideration . Remember Clifford avgs about 10 mins agame.

He said Clifford and Lewis COMBINED. Combined, they played an average of 23:24 per game, including 26 seconds per game on the powerplay. King played 15:02 per game including 29 seconds per game on the powerplay. As well, while Lewis averaged almost two minutes per game of PK time, King was at 1:16 a game shorthanded. Clifford, just 18 seconds.

Lewis and Clifford also played a combined 144 games, scoring nine goals and 19 points. King had 15 goals and 30 points in 77 games.

Playoffs, King: 26 games, 11 points
Clifford + Lewis: 50 games, 12 points

one other point people forget is that King outproduced Dustin Brown last year. Yes, Dusty had an off year, but for people who like to use the 'he had better linemates' crap, it shows it's not just about who you play with (or about powerplay time since Brown had over two minutes per game on the powerplay).

 

[damacles1156]

He said Clifford and Lewis COMBINED. Combined, they played an average of 23:24 per game, including 26 seconds per game on the powerplay. King played 15:02 per game including 29 seconds per game on the powerplay. As well, while Lewis averaged almost two minutes per game of PK time, King was at 1:16 a game shorthanded. Clifford, just 18 seconds.

Lewis and Clifford also played a combined 144 games, scoring nine goals and 19 points. King had 15 goals and 30 points in 77 games.

Playoffs, King: 26 games, 11 points
Clifford + Lewis: 50 games, 12 points

one other point people forget is that King outproduced Dustin Brown last year. Yes, Dusty had an off year, but for people who like to use the 'he had better linemates' crap, it shows it's not just about who you play with (or about powerplay time since Brown had over two minutes per game on the powerplay).

Thank you....Bingo. /Thread

Dwight King is fine, and not a problem in the bottom six.

 

[rajuabju]

If history has taught us anything, we will never win the Stanley Cup without Dwight King.

 

[Captain Mittens*]

If history has taught us anything, we will never win the Stanley Cup without Dwight King.

Well played

 

[bmr]

King matched Lewis/Clifford last season as well in the playoff's.

11 points for King, Clifford/Lewis 12 points combined.

Lewis is suppose to be some playoff producer as well. For a guy that doesn't do anything (according to some). He consistently stumbles his way into out producing Lewis/Clifford combined yearly.

Here: Last post season.

King 3G 8A 11 points (not in the top six for post season)
Toffoli 7G 7A 14 points
Pearson 4G 8A 12 points

Pearson played in 2 less games also, FWIW. King is exactly the type of guy you want on your team for what he does. No complaints at all from me...and the dude can definitely fill in on the top 2 lines when called upon. He had a stretch there with Kopitar where he was on fire.

 

[Herby]

And yet we won 2 Stanley Cups in three years. You have a cap. Some salary's like Richards and Brown keeps you from having better skilled complimentary players. King fits the bill as much as anyone making similar money. He is unselfish, plays heavy, and has playoff experience. With the emergence of Toffolli and Pearson we are fine at forward. What we need is a veteran defenseman with a little more mobility rotating with Regher and Greene. McNabb with a full year in the Kings system may be that player.

I think you missed my point because you are replying to a post over a year old.

I am a Dwight King fan, have defended him for awhile, he is a quality bottom six player but he is not capable of being the best player on a bottom six line. When I originally made that post the Kings were coming off s playoff year where they failed to get a single ES goal from a bottom six player in 18 playoff games, it was painfully obvious to everyone the Kings had to do something about the bottom six. The Kings were not going to win a SC with a bottom six of Fraser, King, Clifford, Lewis, Richardson, Nolan etc. They had to make improvements whether internally or by trade, it was done with a combination of both by Pearson and Gaborik pushing down Williams and Richards to bottom six roles and thus those guys pushing Nolan and Fraser to the press box and adding a level of skill to the bottom six.

Look at the difference in goals by the bottom six in 2014 vs. 2013 and that is why the Kings won a SC.