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Dwight King

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Herby, I agree, though I feel that the third liners looked bad was mostly for the fact we have too many 4th line, fringe third line players. And not pure 3rd liners
 
King is a decent 3rd line wing. He's got size and hockey sense. What more are you asking for? He's the wrong LW to be mad at. See what I did there?
 
What people seem to forget is that if you have a guy who starts scoring like a top 6 winger you will eventually have to pay him as such.
 
LA Kings Drummer said:
What people seem to forget is that if you have a guy who starts scoring like a top 6 winger you will eventually have to pay him as such.
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I think that's the goal to be in that position right? Goal is to win another cup, not worry about having to pay someone top 6 dollars.
 
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Duh-Wight King Rides! (note: no one is on his band wagon)

But, alas, he rides with Lord Stanley!
 
We should merge this thread and the holloway thread to come up with the ultimate cast off -- Bud King.
 
Where do you guys see Dwight King fitting into your depth chart over the next 4+ years? Will he be a solid 3rd liner over that period? does he have a chance to develop into a top6 power forward? I know he has seen some time there with limited success, but will he be able to develop his game and get back there?
 
kirkm said:
Where do you guys see Dwight King fitting into your depth chart over the next 4+ years? Will he be a solid 3rd liner over that period? does he have a chance to develop into a top6 power forward? I know he has seen some time there with limited success, but will he be able to develop his game and get back there?
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Sutter loves King.... 3rd line with occasional line jumbling. There's probably a 50:50 we see Toffoli on the 4th before King on the 4th.
 
Trolfoli said:
Sutter loves King.... 3rd line with occasional line jumbling. There's probably a 50:50 we see Toffoli on the 4th before King on the 4th.
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Eh, I'm not so sure. Toffoli is coming into his third year in the league now. If he's still pulling fourth line duties, then we might have bigger issues. Including Tanner Pearson, the Kings essentially have seven top-six players. If Mike Richards is in as good of shape coming in to camp as everyone is saying, then we have eight:

Brown - Kopitar - Gaborik
Pearson - Carter - Toffoli
Williams, Richards

Ideally, I'd like to see our lines look like this:

Brown - Kopitar - Gaborik
Pearson - Carter - Toffoli
King - Richards - Williams
Clifford - Stoll - Lewis
 
markisonfire said:
Eh, I'm not so sure. Toffoli is coming into his third year in the league now. If he's still pulling fourth line duties, then we might have bigger issues. Including Tanner Pearson, the Kings essentially have seven top-six players. If Mike Richards is in as good of shape coming in to camp as everyone is saying, then we have eight:

Brown - Kopitar - Gaborik
Pearson - Carter - Toffoli
Williams, Richards

Ideally, I'd like to see our lines look like this:

Brown - Kopitar - Gaborik
Pearson - Carter - Toffoli
King - Richards - Williams
Clifford - Stoll - Lewis
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Toffoli is way more then a 4th liner... sometimes I'm not always clear when I type things out.... more of a 10 top 9 forwards on the team so someone is playing on the 4th ... logjam situation...
 
Winger23 said:
I have no complaints if he's on the 4th line. He does not belong in the top 9. With the current lineup I wish clifford would get more looks on the 3rd than King.
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KingKopitar11* said:
Agreed. He can do on the 4th not the top 9
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Despite being old, I find these two posts amusing considering Kings has now been in the top 9 on 1... 2... ah, ah, ah... Stanley Cup Championship teams.

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But you know, Montreal doesn't need him, not even for their 4th line... :loony:
 
King is a big body that goes to the nets and the boards and plays a conservative two-way game, but his hands are a little softer than he is given credit for. So the third line is not out of place for him. He can even plug into the first or second line for a short spell to bring a different element, shake things up, or cover for a temporary injury or suspension.

However, unless he gets bitten by a radioactive spider I don't see him on the top two lines for any extended period of time on a team as deep as the Kings.
 
Bandit said:
Despite being old, I find these two posts amusing considering Kings has now been in the top 9 on 1... 2... ah, ah, ah... Stanley Cup Championship teams.

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But you know, Montreal doesn't need him, not even for their 4th line... :loony:
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Having no choice and being put in the top 9 and saying he should not be in the top 9 are obviously 2 different things. If you really think the difference maker was King I'm not sure what to tell you. I would argue that the Kings won DESPITE him being in the top 9 (he had a great 2012 run, did he even play in 2013?, and 2014 was "ok").

Considering the lack of depth on LW, I'm not picking on King as I think he's done well with being forced to being played higher up on the lines that he should be. But ideally, IMO he is still best suited for 4th line LW duties. Picking up Gabby and moving up Pearson increased the LW depth a ton.

I still like the tought of Gabby/Pearson/Brown as the top 9 LW's, even with Brown out of position I think it allows the Kings to have one of the best top 9's in the league assuming Richards returns to form.

Gabby/Kopi/Williams
Pearson/Richards?/Carter
Brown/Stoll/Toffoli
King/Clifford/whoever/whoever

Just my 2 cents worth.
 
Winger23 said:
Having no choice and being put in the top 9 and saying he should not be in the top 9 are obviously 2 different things. If you really think the difference maker was King I'm not sure what to tell you. I would argue that the Kings won DESPITE him being in the top 9 (he had a great 2012 run, did he even play in 2013?, and 2014 was "ok").

Considering the lack of depth on LW, I'm not picking on King as I think he's done well with being forced to being played higher up on the lines that he should be. But ideally, IMO he is still best suited for 4th line LW duties. Picking up Gabby and moving up Pearson increased the LW depth a ton.

I still like the tought of Gabby/Pearson/Brown as the top 9 LW's, even with Brown out of position I think it allows the Kings to have one of the best top 9's in the league assuming Richards returns to form.

Gabby/Kopi/Williams
Pearson/Richards?/Carter
Brown/Stoll/Toffoli
King/Clifford/whoever/whoever

Just my 2 cents worth.
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I'm not going to belabor the point much because I don't strongly disagree but I think on a cup champ team like the Kings I can see your point; however, many teams around the league would kill to have a guy like King on their 3LW. He's versatile like Lewis.
 
Brad Doty said:
I'm not going to belabor the point much because I don't strongly disagree but I think on a cup champ team like the Kings I can see your point; however, many teams around the league would kill to have a guy like King on their 3LW. He's versatile like Lewis.
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Fair enough, and versatile like Lewis I completely agree with. Lewis shouldn't be on the third line neither :naughty:

Yes, I was speaking on this Kings team, not where he belongs if he were on most of the other teams in the league. Ideally imo they need someone who can snipe in that 3rd line LW position, with having richards being the set up man and williams being great along the boards they need someone who can bury it (again speaking in ideal terms, not a reality with current roster).
 
Here's a list of 3rd line LW's in the NHL and how they produced in that role this past season. How many of these guys would you take ahead of King or consider to be better than him?

ANA: Patrick Maroon, 62 GP, 11G, 29 PTS, +11, 12:18 TOI
ARI: Lauri Korpikoski, 64 GP, 9G, 25 PTS, -7, 16:04 TOI
BOS: Chris Kelly, 57 GP, 9G, 18 PTS, +2, 14:41 TOI
BUF: Marcus Foligno, 74 GP, 7G, 19 PTS, -17, 15:03 TOI
CAR: Nathan Gerbe, 81 GP, 16G, 31 PTS, -6, 16:24 TOI
CBJ: Nick Foligno, 70 GP, 18G, 39 PTS, +5, 16:03 TOI
CGY: T.J. Galiardi, 62 GP, 4G, 17 PTS, -13, 14:36 TOI
CHI: Kris Versteeg, 63 GP, 10G, 29 PTS, +9, 14:06 TOI
COL: Jamie McGinn, 79 GP, 19G, 38 PTS, -3, 15:46 TOI
DAL: Antoine Roussel, 81 GP, 14G, 29 PTS, -1, 13:19 TOI
DET: Justin Abdelkader, 70 GP, 10G, 28 PTS, +2, 15:17 TOI
EDM: Ryan Smyth, 70 GP, 10G, 23 PTS, -18, 15:25 TOI
FLA: Tomas Fleischmann, 80 GP, 8G, 28 PTS, -18, 17:07 TOI
LAK: Dwight King, 77GP, 15G, 30 PTS, +16, 15:02 TOI
MIN: Matt Cooke, 82 GP, 10G, 28 PTS, +8, 15:24 TOI
MTL: Rene Bourque, 63 GP, 9G, 16 PTS, -1, 14:11 TOI
NJD: Ryane Clowe, 43 GP, 7G, 26 PTS, -10, 16:07 TOI
NSH: Gabriel Bourque, 74 GP, 9G, 26 PTS, -5, 13:50 TOI
NYI: Matt Martin, 79 GP, 8G, 14 PTS, -11, 11:53 TOI
NYR: Benoit Pouliot, 80 GP, 15G, 36 PTS, +10, 13:26 TOI
OTW: Colin Greening, 76 GP, 6G, 17 PTS, -15, 13:44 TOI
PHI: Michael Raffl, 68 GP, 9G, 22 PTS, +2, 12:59 TOI
PIT: Tanner Glass, 67 GP, 4G, 13 PTS, -8, 11:47 TOI
SJS: Matt Nieto, 66 GP, 10G, 24 PTS, -4, 14:04 TOI
STL: Brenden Morrow, 71 GP, 13G, 25 PTS, +1, 11:54 TOI
TBL: Ryan Malone, 57 GP, 5G, 15 PTS, -7, 11:46 TOI
TOR: Nikolay Kulemin, 70 GP, 9G, 20 PTS, -4, 16:12 TOI
VAN: David Booth, 66 GP, 9G, 19 PTS, +1, 13:28 TOI
WPG: Devin Setoguchi, 75 GP, 11G, 27 PTS, -7, 15:03 TOI
WSH: Eric Fehr, 73 GP, 13G, 31 PTS, +0, 14:44 TOI

Doesn't look like other NHL team's have an embarrassment of riches on their 3rd line LW spots. Only 5 others had more overall points than King when playing a similar role, however, King had the best +/- rating from that group of 30 LWs, and let's not forget that the Kings didn't have an offensive powerhouse during the regular season and that 27 of King's 30 points came at even strength (tied for 4th best even strength points among Kings forwards).

It's also worth noting that Dwight King turned 25 this past July and is signed to a very fair contract when you compare him to other 3rd line LWs, particularly those who were signed as UFAs.

I attribute the misnomers and King detractors to be those who simply do not understand his role and have some lofty, unrealistic expectations from the production they expect from a 3rd line winger.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
I attribute the misnomers and King detractors to be those who simply do not understand his role and have some lofty, unrealistic expectations from the production they expect from a 3rd line winger.
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QF ****ing T.

Amen, brother.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
Here's a list of 3rd line LW's in the NHL and how they produced in that role this past season. How many of these guys would you take ahead of King or consider to be better than him?

ANA: Patrick Maroon, 62 GP, 11G, 29 PTS, +11, 12:18 TOI
ARI: Lauri Korpikoski, 64 GP, 9G, 25 PTS, -7, 16:04 TOI
BOS: Chris Kelly, 57 GP, 9G, 18 PTS, +2, 14:41 TOI
BUF: Marcus Foligno, 74 GP, 7G, 19 PTS, -17, 15:03 TOI
CAR: Nathan Gerbe, 81 GP, 16G, 31 PTS, -6, 16:24 TOI
CBJ: Nick Foligno, 70 GP, 18G, 39 PTS, +5, 16:03 TOI
CGY: T.J. Galiardi, 62 GP, 4G, 17 PTS, -13, 14:36 TOI
CHI: Kris Versteeg, 63 GP, 10G, 29 PTS, +9, 14:06 TOI
COL: Jamie McGinn, 79 GP, 19G, 38 PTS, -3, 15:46 TOI
DAL: Antoine Roussel, 81 GP, 14G, 29 PTS, -1, 13:19 TOI
DET: Justin Abdelkader, 70 GP, 10G, 28 PTS, +2, 15:17 TOI
EDM: Ryan Smyth, 70 GP, 10G, 23 PTS, -18, 15:25 TOI
FLA: Tomas Fleischmann, 80 GP, 8G, 28 PTS, -18, 17:07 TOI
LAK: Dwight King, 77GP, 15G, 30 PTS, +16, 15:02 TOI
MIN: Matt Cooke, 82 GP, 10G, 28 PTS, +8, 15:24 TOI
MTL: Rene Bourque, 63 GP, 9G, 16 PTS, -1, 14:11 TOI
NJD: Ryane Clowe, 43 GP, 7G, 26 PTS, -10, 16:07 TOI
NSH: Gabriel Bourque, 74 GP, 9G, 26 PTS, -5, 13:50 TOI
NYI: Matt Martin, 79 GP, 8G, 14 PTS, -11, 11:53 TOI
NYR: Benoit Pouliot, 80 GP, 15G, 36 PTS, +10, 13:26 TOI
OTW: Colin Greening, 76 GP, 6G, 17 PTS, -15, 13:44 TOI
PHI: Michael Raffl, 68 GP, 9G, 22 PTS, +2, 12:59 TOI
PIT: Tanner Glass, 67 GP, 4G, 13 PTS, -8, 11:47 TOI
SJS: Matt Nieto, 66 GP, 10G, 24 PTS, -4, 14:04 TOI
STL: Brenden Morrow, 71 GP, 13G, 25 PTS, +1, 11:54 TOI
TBL: Ryan Malone, 57 GP, 5G, 15 PTS, -7, 11:46 TOI
TOR: Nikolay Kulemin, 70 GP, 9G, 20 PTS, -4, 16:12 TOI
VAN: David Booth, 66 GP, 9G, 19 PTS, +1, 13:28 TOI
WPG: Devin Setoguchi, 75 GP, 11G, 27 PTS, -7, 15:03 TOI
WSH: Eric Fehr, 73 GP, 13G, 31 PTS, +0, 14:44 TOI

Doesn't look like other NHL team's have an embarrassment of riches on their 3rd line LW spots. Only 5 others had more overall points than King when playing a similar role, however, King had the best +/- rating from that group of 30 LWs, and let's not forget that the Kings didn't have an offensive powerhouse during the regular season and that 27 of King's 30 points came at even strength (tied for 4th best even strength points among Kings forwards).

It's also worth noting that Dwight King turned 25 this past July and is signed to a very fair contract when you compare him to other 3rd line LWs, particularly those who were signed as UFAs.

I attribute the misnomers and King detractors to be those who simply do not understand his role and have some lofty, unrealistic expectations from the production they expect from a 3rd line winger.
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This has been hashed out in the past. His stats are a bit inflated from his playing on the top line pre gabs Pearson. Hell his hat trick came playing with Kopi. Being a kings fan of all teams one would think you would know better to show stats, then say who's better.
 
Best part about King is that he knows his limitations. You never see him trying to dangle, or do anything risky. When he gets the puck he either looks to move it to someone better than him or get it down the other end of the ice and go to work

A true lunch pail and hard hat hockey player
 
Came across this gem... did a double take... read it a 3rd time to make sure I didn't have something in my eye....

http://lakingsinsider.com/2014/10/15/october-15-practice-quotes-darryl-sutter/

We’ve used Dwight King at center a little bit the last couple games.
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Wait what? :laugh: How did I miss this.....

At 25 and 230+ if he can learn the position, pick up the checking intensity we got a Stoll replacement in a couple years.... He can make a decent pass.... Maybe Sutter got the wrong name... thoughts?
 
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