Proposal: Dvorak and Harris for Girard and a 2nd rounder

[Chose]

This is the pretext and rationalization for a bad trade.

You don't think Harris has value, is that what you are trying to say ?

 

[John Mandalorian]

You don't think Harris has value, is that what you are trying to say ?

No. I'm saying it's easy to rationalize every bad trade with "gotta give to get" or "f**** it, we're all in".

 

[Linds]

Am I missing something? Since when does a 2 way top 4 dman who is signed long term through his prime on a very reasonable cap hit...only return an over paid 3rd line C AND the avs add a 2nd round pick? Not sure what the OP is smoking but I want some of that

 

[ole ole]

Am I missing something? Since when does a 2 way top 4 dman who is signed long term through his prime on a very reasonable cap hit...only return an over paid 3rd line C AND the avs add a 2nd round pick? Not sure what the OP is smoking but I want some of that

Did Harris kind of slip your mind? As of right now Girard is not even worth his so called reasonable cap hit.

 

[Linds]

Did Harris kind of slip your mind? As of right now Girard is not even worth his so called reasonable cap hit.

Harris is just a warm body with potential. Top contending teams won't risk the few assets they have on a trade even close to that value

 

[ole ole]

Harris is just a warm body with potential. Top contending teams won't risk the few assets they have on a trade even close to that value

And unless Girard improves his game he's worst than a warm body with a 5mil cap hit.

 

[dirtydanglez]

This is not accurate. Compher is a winger/center type that can play center if you need him to. Dvorak is a true center and better on faceoffs and 200' responsiblity.

I'm guessing you look at their points to determine what you just said. It's not a terrible gap but Dvorak is the better center.

yes, it's accurate. dvorak is a very slight upgrade on compher but comes with a worse contract. dvorak a better fit for center but is less versatile. and he's at best average defensively. there's not a noticeable difference between him and compher. it's a lateral move for the avs at best. i wouldn't give up more than compher + 3rd for him.

 

[Kimota]

Harris and Girard is a wash but only getting a 2nd rounder for Dvorak is disappointing esp, with what he costed.

 

[ole ole]

Harris and Girard is a wash but only getting a 2nd rounder for Dvorak is disappointing esp, with what he costed.

And they also want us to retain on Dvorak. Why would we retain just to get a 2nd? We shouldn't.
Would end up costing 1.5 mil more on our cap this season for the next 3 seasons. Do we even have the cap space this season to take on 1.5 mile more?

 

[Linds]

You're not moving Dvorak to a contender without retention lol

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

And they also want us to retain on Dvorak. Why would we retain just to get a 2nd? We shouldn't.
Would end up costing 1.5 mil more on our cap this season for the next 3 seasons. Do we even have the cap space this season to take on 1.5 mile more?

No we don't. We flat out don't want him at all.

 

[ole ole]

You're not moving Dvorak to a contender without retention lol

We're not retaining 3 yrs for a late 2nd rd pick. lol

 

[Linds]

We're not retaining 3 yrs for a late 2nd rd pick. lol

I agree, you need a better return for that long. I'm just saying there would need to be retention to move him to a contender with no salary cap room

 

[McJedi]

Who says no this time? One team or both?

Oh my lord this is awful for Colorado. First thing you’d have to do is add a few 2nd rounders from the Habs. And remove the one from the Avs.

Dvorak is a bad contract. Way too much for a 3C. And replace Harris with Barron. And on 2nd thought. Just keep Dvorak out of this too.

I'm pretty convcinced that Monahan will be Avs primary market target if he stays healthy.
No way they trade for Dvorak.

Monahan isn’t a player the Avs would like at all. He’s too slow. And his injury history with the Avs injury issues. Not a fit at all.

 

[McJedi]

Am I missing something? Since when does a 2 way top 4 dman who is signed long term through his prime on a very reasonable cap hit...only return an over paid 3rd line C AND the avs add a 2nd round pick? Not sure what the OP is smoking but I want some of that

Super crack.

And no you don’t.

I'd rather keep Dvorak and Harris.

The Avs would also much rather the Habs keep Dvorak’s contract.

Harris is a nice young prospect for y’all though.

 

[Linds]

Super crack.

And no you don’t.


The Avs would also much rather the Habs keep Dvorak’s contract.

Harris is a nice young prospect for y’all though.

Thanks for finding and saving me in these boards of darkness

 

[cave troll]

Monahan isn’t a player the Avs would like at all. He’s too slow. And his injury history with the Avs injury issues. Not a fit at all.

He's still twice the player Dvorak is and capable of producing.
If Avs think they can get a better C without being decimated in the trade..well, good luck.

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

Oh my lord this is awful for Colorado. First thing you’d have to do is add a few 2nd rounders from the Habs. And remove the one from the Avs.

Dvorak is a bad contract. Way too much for a 3C. And replace Harris with Barron. And on 2nd thought. Just keep Dvorak out of this too.


Monahan isn’t a player the Avs would like at all. He’s too slow. And his injury history with the Avs injury issues. Not a fit at all.

Monahan is not slow.

 

[Dead Coyote]

yes, it's accurate. dvorak is a very slight upgrade on compher but comes with a worse contract. dvorak a better fit for center but is less versatile. and he's at best average defensively. there's not a noticeable difference between him and compher. it's a lateral move for the avs at best. i wouldn't give up more than compher + 3rd for him.

he is absolutely not average defensively at best, nor is he less versatile??? man i f***ing hate the habs but this is a bad take. Dvorak has been on shit teams since coming into the league and has been a minute muncher playing with mostly shit linemates producing decently well and is very responsible defensively, in fact I'd say that's his main draw as a defensively good 3rd - 2nd line center tweener. It may be lateral and Compher + 3rd may be fair but your previous sentences are not true at all.

 

[Brett44]

Why do we want Girard exactly?

Cause he's from Québec? That's the only reason I see.


I prefer trading Dvorak for a smaller contract and/or for future.

Because power play suck and Girard can play Right side.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Oh my lord this is awful for Colorado. First thing you’d have to do is add a few 2nd rounders from the Habs. And remove the one from the Avs.

Dvorak is a bad contract. Way too much for a 3C. And replace Harris with Barron. And on 2nd thought. Just keep Dvorak out of this too.


Monahan isn’t a player the Avs would like at all. He’s too slow. And his injury history with the Avs injury issues. Not a fit at all.

I don't believe it's "awful" but might not be a trade either side does. Dvorak is not just some 3C. He's an above average 3C and no, it's not a bad contract. Go away with your exaggeration.

 

[FerrisRox]

The Canadiens need to keep Dvorak and trade Monahan.

I can't see any reason why they would trade Harris at all, especially at this price.

 

[McJedi]

I don't believe it's "awful" but might not be a trade either side does. Dvorak is not just some 3C. He's an above average 3C and no, it's not a bad contract. Go away with your exaggeration.

A 3C making $4.5mm long term is a bad contract. JT Compher is a similar level player making $3.5mm and he’s been the Avs 2nd worst contract for years.

Go away with your peddling of the several overpaid mediocre Habs for much better players on better contracts from other teams. And you had the audacity to suggest the Avs add a high pick to that drivel. What a joke of a proposal.

 

[McJedi]

he is absolutely not average defensively at best, nor is he less versatile??? man i f***ing hate the habs but this is a bad take. Dvorak has been on shit teams since coming into the league and has been a minute muncher playing with mostly shit linemates producing decently well and is very responsible defensively, in fact I'd say that's his main draw as a defensively good 3rd - 2nd line center tweener. It may be lateral and Compher + 3rd may be fair but your previous sentences are not true at all.

As Dvorak is a more expensive equivalent to JT Compher, why would the Avs trade a 24 year old middle pair defender on a reasonable long term contract for this guy?

So you make your defense much worse, lose future cap space on an overpaid 3C only to add JTCs more expensive replacement while JTC is still on the roster. JTC being a player the Avs have looked to shed for years.

It’s the worst idea for Colorado. Harris would need to develop into an excellent middle pair player for this deal to ever pencil for the Avs. But on day one, they’d be huge losers of this swap.

 

[Habs Halifax]

A 3C making $4.5mm long term is a bad contract. JT Compher is a similar level player making $3.5mm and he’s been the Avs 2nd worst contract for years.

Go away with your peddling of the several overpaid mediocre Habs for much better players on better contracts from other teams. And you had the audacity to suggest the Avs add a high pick to that drivel. What a joke of a proposal.

It's neither a bad contract or a value one. It's fair. He's not just some average 3C... it's above average 3C but he don't fit in the 2C spot.

You have history of devaluating Habs assets. You seem obsessed by it and you don't even realize how wrong you are over time.

How about you stick to the ... not a good fit for the Avs type trade. What's the point in trashing Dvorak? To belittle Habs fans and their players. I think so.