Proposal: Dvorak and Harris for Girard and a 2nd rounder

[Habs Halifax]

Who says no this time? One team or both?

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[AslanRH]

Avalanche
They don't even get added cap space for future moves

They should save those assets to use with their 1st for when Monahan returns to his PPG pace

 

[Habs Halifax]

Avalanche
They don't even get added cap space for future moves

I'm assuming that's not the only problem right? Do you like or dislike that deal? You get someone you can use at center now (ideally in the 3C spot eventually) and and younger version of Girard with Harris. Some Habs fans would say no to trading Harris.

In terms of creating cap space for future moves, Good luck with that. Not many teams have cap space to add salary and if they do, they will want incentive.

It's possible we can take back an expiring contract at $1.5M and under... if you have one you want to unload

 

[Perratrooper]

Take out the second and add a player like Kaut and the Avs probably consider it. Any chance Montreal would consider eating $500K - $1m of Dvorak?

 

[BKarchitect]

It’s not definitely not offensive. I’d still value Girard more than Dvorak but Harris has shown enough that you’d probably not want to just randomly deal him for a 2nd rounder so it kind of evens out.

I’m not sure Dvorak is *the* answer up front (I mean, he’s not) and losing Girard hurts a defense that Byram remains a bit of a health risk on. But on balance it’s fine and Dvorak would definitely be better in the middle six than some of the fringe guys out there right now.

 

[ginovegas]

last thing we need is more left D

 

[AslanRH]

I'm assuming that's not the only problem right? Do you like or dislike that deal? You get someone you can use at center now (ideally in the 3C spot eventually) and and younger version of Girard with Harris. Some Habs fans would say no to trading Harris.

In terms of creating cap space for future moves, Good luck with that. Not many teams have cap space to add salary and if they do, they will want incentive.

It's possible we can take back an expiring contract at $1.5M and under... if you have one you want to unload

I don't think the value is far off in general.

I don't think Dvorak is a good fit nor worth Girard 1 for 1, and while I like Harris, not sure he would warrant the 2nd round pick being included.

I just think the Avs are better off approaching this next couple months as a wait and see stretch.
If they are in a playoff position at the end of January, then a move like this might make more sense.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I don't think the value is far off in general.

I don't think Dvorak is a good fit nor worth Girard 1 for 1, and while I like Harris, not sure he would warrant the 2nd round pick being included.

I just think the Avs are better off approaching this next couple months as a wait and see stretch.
If they are in a playoff position at the end of January, then a move like this might make more sense.

Harris is worth more than a 2nd rounder. The probability of hitting on someone better than Harris with a 2nd rounder is low. He's a rookie performing well at age 22.

I would say Girard has slightly better value than Dvorak which is why I included the Harris/2nd to even it out. However, you think Harris is not worth a 2nd. Close but we don't see it exactly the same.

To be honest, not sure I like or hate it from the Habs side. Just wondering what the HF board gang say about it.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Take out the second and add a player like Kaut and the Avs probably consider it. Any chance Montreal would consider eating $500K - $1m of Dvorak?

Habs might consider the 2nd/Kaut flip. Our AHL team can use some good youth who is in development at the moment.

Maybe we consider $500k of retention. This year is no problem and I don't see next season a issue as well. The 3rd season is where it might get tricker but it's $500k so I don't think it's a deal breaker

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Value is not horrible, but... why?

 

[Habs Halifax]

Value is not horrible, but... why?

Habs get someone with more experience on D vs Harris and Avs get a center they can use while also getting Harris who is performing well as a rookie. Habs get a future in the process. We also consider retaining Monahan in this case with Dvorak gone. Doubt we keep both

I think both sides ponder it for a while to be honest. If it's not getting trashed on HF boards, it's better than most trades you see.

 

[Perratrooper]

Maybe we consider $500k of retention. This year is no problem and I don't see next season a issue as well. The 3rd season is where it might get tricker but it's $500k so I don't think it's a deal breaker

So maybe something like Dvorak (retained to $4m)+Harris for Girard+Kaut+4th?

 

[Habs Halifax]

last thing we need is more left D

It's not more. It's the same. Girard replaces Harris on the LD side. Both can play both sides from what I have seen but of course, ideally you want them on the LD side.

Girard gives us a D with more experience and has term for his prime. Someone we can use on our PP in our transition years.

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So maybe something like Dvorak (retained to $4m)+Harris for Girard+Kaut+4th?

If we are playing actual GM, you talk to your people and I'll talk to mine. Curious to see what other Avs and Habs fans say about it. Lets wait and see

 

[Moose Head]

I don’t see Hughes using his retention spots on a guy with 3 years left. I think he wants to save those to get max value on deadline deals like he did last season. Also, not crazy at the thought of Evans as 3rd line center, or moving Dach off the top line to play center. I think the habs are better off staying pat.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I don’t see Hughes using his retention spots on a guy with 3 years left. I think he wants to save those to get max value on deadline deals like he did last season. Also, not crazy at the thought of Evans as 3rd line center, or moving Dach off the top line to play center. I think the habs are better off staying pat.

Very possible yes. But lets play this out... Who are we retaining in a trade over the next 3 seasons including this one?

* It won't be Monahan if Dvorak is traded. Monahan would be extended in this case.
* Maybe Eddy? That would be Eddy and Hoffman possibly next year?
* Who else? Gallagher and Anderson? If you don't like retention on Dvorak, you won't like it with those two guys.

Would $500k really be a deal breaker? Not sure. The other idea is to retain 50% on Harris and that expires this season.

Avs fans... give us your scouting report on Kaut? The one that includes both pros and cons. How is his skating?

 

[Perratrooper]

Very possible yes. But lets play this out... Who are we retaining in a trade over the next 3 seasons including this one?

* It won't be Monahan if Dvorak is traded. Monahan would be extended in this case.
* Maybe Eddy? That would be Eddy and Hoffman possibly next year?
* Who else? Gallagher and Anderson? If you don't like retention on Dvorak, you won't like it with those two guys.

Would $500k really be a deal breaker? Not sure

Avs fans... give us your scouting report on Kaut? The one that includes both pros and cons. How is his skating?

Just one Avs fan perspective:

He’s an NHL player, but that’s about as far as it goes. You’re fine with him playing on the third line, but he’s more of a fourth liner as he doesn’t make a ton of mistakes and is solid enough defensively. Unfortunately he has yet to generate much of anything offensively, but he’s okay at maintaining a cycle. His skating is average to slightly below average depending on the game, but it stands out more on the Avs with the speed and tenacity they ask players to play with. I think best case scenario he develops into a good defensive forward that hits 30 points. More than likely he ends up a 20-25 point player and as a good PK specialist 4th liner.

He’s still young (turned 23 in October) so there is hope that he can develop some offense, but the clock is running out on him increasing his offensive output.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Value isn’t bad but don’t see the avalanche trying to lose established d depth for now with byram in and out heath wise.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Just one Avs fan perspective:

He’s an NHL player, but that’s about as far as it goes. You’re fine with him playing on the third line, but he’s more of a fourth liner as he doesn’t make a ton of mistakes and is solid enough defensively. Unfortunately he has yet to generate much of anything offensively, but he’s okay at maintaining a cycle. His skating is average to slightly below average depending on the game, but it stands out more on the Avs with the speed and tenacity they ask players to play with. I think best case scenario he develops into a good defensive forward that hits 30 points. More than likely he ends up a 20-25 point player and as a good PK specialist 4th liner.

He’s still young (turned 23 in October) so there is hope that he can develop some offense, but the clock is running out on him increasing his offensive output.

The skating area is the one I would look into deeper. Curious to see what MSL could do with Kaut.

The other idea is Habs retain 50% on Harris because there is talk Hughes wants to hoard his 3 retention spots. Harris needs a new contract after this season as a RFA. Doubt he gets a big raise cause you can give him a 1 way contract at a cap hit $1M or close to it.

I don't see many Habs fans liking or hating it.

Value isn’t bad but don’t see the avalanche trying to lose established d depth for now with byram in and out heath wise.

Trade can be delayed for a bit. When do the Avs expect to be healthy on D?

 

[Mrfenn92]

The skating area is the one I would look into deeper. Curious to see what MSL could do with Kaut.

The other idea is Habs retain 50% on Harris because there is talk Hughes wants to hoard his 3 retention spots. Harris needs a new contract after this season as a RFA. Doubt he gets a big raise cause you can give him a 1 way contract at a cap hit $1M or close to it.

I don't see many Habs fans liking or hating it.



Trade can be delayed for a bit. When do the Avs expect to be healthy on D?

Not sure I’ll let avs fans who follow better with their knowledge.

 

[cave troll]

I'm pretty convcinced that Monahan will be Avs primary market target if he stays healthy.
No way they trade for Dvorak.

 

[jfhabs]

I wouldn't do it from a Habs POV.
Need to stay path, we have plenty of option at defense already and not so much at center.
We need a guy like Dvorak to eat the minutes. Guy never seem to complain even tho he constantly has shit wingers to play with.

 

[jfhabs]

I don’t see Hughes using his retention spots on a guy with 3 years left. I think he wants to save those to get max value on deadline deals like he did last season. Also, not crazy at the thought of Evans as 3rd line center, or moving Dach off the top line to play center. I think the habs are better off staying pat.

Yeah, the only player I could see him retain on is Anderson. Reason being we might be able to have a very good return for him if we do. Might not be a popular take for the HF stat watchers, but players like Anderson are a hot commodity for teams trying to go deep into the playoffs.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Yeah, the only player I could see him retain on is Anderson. Reason being we might be able to have a very good return for him if we do. Might not be a popular take for the HF stat watchers, but players like Anderson are a hot commodity for teams trying to go deep into the playoffs.

Retention that long is rare (4 more seasons). Possible but I think Hughes take a 1 or 2 year cap dump to help the other teams cap.

I do agree that teams are going to knock on the door on Anderson but the question is are they inquiring cause they think they can acquire for cheap or are they inquiring with serious offers?

Habs are in no rush to trade Anderson. We will if there is an offer we can't refuse. But with that size/skating, he's not going to decline and have less value in the next 2 years. Don't get the offer we want now, we can explore it at a later date.

I wouldn't do it from a Habs POV.
Need to stay path, we have plenty of option at defense already and not so much at center.
We need a guy like Dvorak to eat the minutes. Guy never seem to complain even tho he constantly has shit wingers to play with.

Are you keeping both Dvorak and Monahan?

 

[ole ole]

Take out the second and add a player like Kaut and the Avs probably consider it. Any chance Montreal would consider eating $500K - $1m of Dvorak?

Let me rethink this.

 

[ole ole]

It's not more. It's the same. Girard replaces Harris on the LD side. Both can play both sides from what I have seen but of course, ideally you want them on the LD side.

Girard gives us a D with more experience and has term for his prime. Someone we can use on our PP in our transition years.



If we are playing actual GM, you talk to your people and I'll talk to mine. Curious to see what other Avs and Habs fans say about it. Lets wait and see

That's a mil and a half swing. Do we have the cap space?