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On the flip side, one could argue that the whole reason we got deep into the playoffs last year was because he rode those guys. Scheif was a scoring machine.
Post-Game Talk: Ducks Suck! Jets win 4-3 in OT!
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On the flip side, one could argue that the whole reason we got deep into the playoffs last year was because he rode those guys. Scheif was a scoring machine.
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Yeh but that usually only takes you so far. Washington is a perfect example of not having everyone contribute and failing to advance and when they finally do get depth scoring in the playoffs they win it all. Elite scorers alone only get you so far. Others have to step up at some point.
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You can't beat horseshoes ... hopefully we get some kind of revenge tomorrow. A blow out would be nice or a Hellebuyck shutout would even be better.
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What's the point of having your top players rested, if you lose the game or go out in the first round?
Are we going to be arguing about Scheif's ice-time the remainder of the season, and use it as a point against Maurice after every game? The team was down 2-0. We were at home, trying to mount a comeback. Trying to win in OT. Trying to move up in the standings. Key players shelved due to injury. We won. That's great.
But instead let's spin that into something negative. 'Team never would have been trailing in this game if Scheif wasn't #4 in even strength minutes and so tired. Stupid Maurice. Everyone knows it's easy to maximize wins while minimizing usage of your stars'. Am I doing this right?
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Game in, game out ... its the same players being over-utilized. Sure there are games and times to use your best players, but with PoMo its the vet show (or at least his favorites) game after game. Sure, it may get you to the playoffs & maybe win you a round or two, but it was obvious by the time we got to Vegas, those over-utilized souls were running on gas.
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I still think it has to do with not starting the three most tired guys (Scheif, Wheels, Buff). As soon as PoMo stopped doing that we started to rack up the points.
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Tbf everyone were tired in the Vegas series because we went 4-3 and Vegas went 4-1 (iirc).
But still, Maurice may be riding some guys too hard. But I think the outcome of the Vegas series was set in stone no matter what.
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I enjoyed last nights win a bit more than usual. I thought the Ducks brought a good version of themselves and we had to meet and match that and our team rose to the challenge. I found the game pretty entertaining.
Not sure why but my lasting memory of the game is still Diego Chairot's lethal strike into to the top corner. Thank god we won because it has allowed me to laugh my ass off at the play today. If they did a rule change and started allowing kicking motion goals to count in the NHL that would still be one of the most beautiful goals 10 years from now.
Not sure why but my lasting memory of the game is still Diego Chairot's lethal strike into to the top corner. Thank god we won because it has allowed me to laugh my ass off at the play today. If they did a rule change and started allowing kicking motion goals to count in the NHL that would still be one of the most beautiful goals 10 years from now.
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The only two Jets that Maurice rides heavily are Scheifele and Wheeler, and that's mainly due to his usage of them on both the PK and the PP. They aren't that different than Crosby, Ovechkin and Gaudreau in terms of even-strength plus PP TOI. I agree that Maurice should try to take them off the PK, since I think he has other options and I don't think they are so much better at it than other options.
The Jets don't really ride their top 3 D very much, even though he hasn't had that much depth.
So, it's really just an issue of using Scheifele and Wheeler on the PK, and maybe longer PP shifts for the Jets' top unit than some teams deploy.
Much has been made about the Jets' tiring vs. Vegas. That might be true, but Scheifele and Wheeler were among the most productive Jets' forwards in that series, as I recall.
Jets' 5v5 usage of forwards isn't much of an outlier. As I noted above, the main difference is the extra time that Scheifele and Wheeler get on the PK and PP.
Fleury stood on his head , it wasn't Maurice being a bad coach , we got goalied big time .
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If Fleury from the finals showed his head in our series we likely win 4 straight.
He was leaky vs WAS
Hellebuyck had his worst stretch of the entire season in that series.
After not losing 3 games in a row last year I was floored that the Jets went down in 4 straight after that first win.
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It’s a lot of fun reading this post. Who would of thought 6 years ago that we would be discussing using players too much or saving them for the playoffs. We all have different opinions on player usage, coaching decisions etc. but we all have a strong passion for our team. Gotta love it!!
Maurice starts Scheifele and Wheeler every single OT. Buff is hurt and Morrissey has been starting with them. But I will agree we have been racking up the points.
That's just it. Our supposedly tired guys basically carried us offensively throughout the playoffs. Maybe if the 'rested" guys would have chipped in a bit more there would have been a different result.
It was an absolutely beautiful goal. While I was yelling, I was laughing because it was perfect. A sniper couldn't have picked that corner with any more precision.
And they were still our best players and carried us as far as they could. What we need is the young guys to get to the point where they can take on more of the load.
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This is true but he did make the switch to Morrissey before Buff got hurt.
I think Buff is likely in the "2 hole" for OT at this point.
We had a nice stretch of scoring on the first shift so it was hard to tell what the lines would be.
I guessed our first 6 players correctly on Sunday but wasn't sure what would come next and no way I could have predicted the Adam Lowry / Tanev usage which made some sense.
I was watching an OT from the weekend (forget what game) but that opening face off is so important. In that game the team that won the draw had the puck for over 90 seconds. With that in mind Lowry can become a key piece even if it's just as a pinch face off guy who changes right away.
Agreed, they started putting Morrissey with Scheif and Wheeler before Buff's injury and it was very successful, especially that 3 game OT run of Edmonton, Chicago and TB.
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