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I've been saying it for two years now; that version of Comtois is likely to never repeat itself. I don't see why people are continuing to look into that season and think he can replicate it. He just seemed so lazy this past season.
I know a lot of people agree. And I'm not going to say he didn't look bad a lot of last year. I'm not ready to write him off though. We know he had a hand injury. We know he had covid. And yes, he looked out of shape. His final 21 games he had gotten back to .5 PPG though. He's got a lot to prove but the progress/recovery was starting to show by the end of the year imo.
 
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I know a lot of people agree. And I'm not going to say he didn't look bad a lot of last year. I'm not ready to write him off though. We know he had a hand injury. We know he had covid. And yes, he looked out of shape. His final 21 games he had gotten back to .5 PPG though. He's got a lot to prove but the progress/recovery was starting to show by the end of the year imo.
Bingo. All people mention is the out of shape and laziness. Which are legit complaints. No mention of the injury and COVID. I think the poor season was a combination of the 3, but that doesn't fit the narrative.
 
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Bingo. All people mention is the out of shape and laziness. Which are legit complaints. No mention of the injury and COVID. I think the poor season was a combination of the 3, but that doesn't fit the narrative.
It's weird to cry narrative in that way. Max had 0 goals and 1 point in the 13 games he played leading up to his wrist injury. Had already played himself to a lineup demotion and at least one scratch (if I'm not mistaken). His best games were later in the season...AFTER the injury and covid. If anything those things are helping some people forget just how shitty he was.

Anyway, @DavidBL it seems like you're equating acquiring Rodrigues with "giving up" on Max which doesn't make sense to me. It's not obvious where either of them would slot in coming out of camp, let alone after say a half season of the team gelling and injuries etc. We could acquire 2 more top 9 guys and Max would still have a shot.
 
It's weird to cry narrative in that way. Max had 0 goals and 1 point in the 13 games he played leading up to his wrist injury. Had already played himself to a lineup demotion and at least one scratch (if I'm not mistaken). His best games were later in the season...AFTER the injury and covid. If anything those things are helping some people forget just how shitty he was.

Anyway, @DavidBL it seems like you're equating acquiring Rodrigues with "giving up" on Max which doesn't make sense to me. It's not obvious where either of them would slot in coming out of camp, let alone after say a half season of the team gelling and injuries etc. We could acquire 2 more top 9 guys and Max would still have a shot.
I don't see how it isn't. Mc had a ROUGH year. To me it's pretty clear that he has to prove he's worthy. Adding a player who just had 43 pts who else do you bump? Lundestrom who just had 29 pts as a 3rd line match-up center? A well respected vet in Silf? With as many unknowns as we have I feel like the top 9 is pretty well set. Adding another means someone is ousted. Unless you think Rod could be a 4th liner?
 
It's weird to cry narrative in that way. Max had 0 goals and 1 point in the 13 games he played leading up to his wrist injury. Had already played himself to a lineup demotion and at least one scratch (if I'm not mistaken). His best games were later in the season...AFTER the injury and covid. If anything those things are helping some people forget just how shitty he was.

Anyway, @DavidBL it seems like you're equating acquiring Rodrigues with "giving up" on Max which doesn't make sense to me. It's not obvious where either of them would slot in coming out of camp, let alone after say a half season of the team gelling and injuries etc. We could acquire 2 more top 9 guys and Max would still have a shot.
The narrative I've seen is that Comtois was fat and lazy and didn't hustle. Fair enough. But to ignore the COVID and the hand injury to me isn't telling the entire story of his lousy season. This guy was our best offensive forward two years ago, is 23, and fans want him gone now. The fact that he appeared to be in better shape late in the season and started to produce gives me some hope.
 
I don't see how it isn't. Mc had a ROUGH year. To me it's pretty clear that he has to prove he's worthy. Adding a player who just had 43 pts who else do you bump? Lundestrom who just had 29 pts as a 3rd line match-up center? A well respected vet in Silf? With as many unknowns as we have I feel like the top 9 is pretty well set. Adding another means someone is ousted. Unless you think Rod could be a 4th liner?

You don’t pencil in anyone to bump down you let them fight it out among themselves for spots and let it happen naturally. It’s not like someone starting on the 4th line means they’re banished there for the whole season. Things change quickly in the NHL.
 
The narrative I've seen is that Comtois was fat and lazy and didn't hustle. Fair enough. But to ignore the COVID and the hand injury to me isn't telling the entire story of his lousy season. This guy was our best offensive forward two years ago, is 23, and fans want him gone now. The fact that he appeared to be in better shape late in the season and started to produce gives me some hope.
Do they?
 
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I don't see how it isn't. Mc had a ROUGH year. To me it's pretty clear that he has to prove he's worthy. Adding a player who just had 43 pts who else do you bump? Lundestrom who just had 29 pts as a 3rd line match-up center? A well respected vet in Silf? With as many unknowns as we have I feel like the top 9 is pretty well set. Adding another means someone is ousted. Unless you think Rod could be a 4th liner?
The team, right now, has 4 established top 6 forwards (Zegras, Terry, Strome, Henrique) and two of them have only been "established" for a single season. The rest of the lineup is guys who are going to move up and down. I don't understand why you think this lineup is set right now. It will set--to an extent--at some point during the season, after guys establish chemistry and earn (or lose) their spots. And Eakins might have an idea of where he thinks guys are going to fit in right now but that doesn't mean anything is really set at all.

Why couldn't Rodrigues end up in a lower role? Is he Gretzky or something? Would that be an insult?
 
I don't see a point for trading anyone that is not a difference maker and in future long term plans unless we are trading for a cap dump with asset. Rodrigues doesn't move the needle for me personally but if it's cheap who cares I guess.
 
I don't see a point for trading anyone that is not a difference maker and in future long term plans unless we are trading for a cap dump with asset. Rodrigues doesn't move the needle for me personally but if it's cheap who cares I guess.
Adding actual NHL depth prevents having to use prospects in places they shouldn't be. It also buys a draft pick at the trade deadline.

The team isn't above adding talent when the only cost is money that we most certainly have.
 
I like the idea of players fighting for a Top 9/Top 6 spot, and not just gifted one due to lack of depth.

This. The other part for me is we lack forward depth. Adding another top 9 player like Rodriguez just might push guys like grant to healthy scratches and I have no issue with that.

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Or we can swap McTavish and Rodriguez. Lots of possibilities.

We need another forward for depth purposes. Since we have extra cash, why not add a good one like E-Rod?
 
This. The other part for me is we lack forward depth. Adding another top 9 player like Rodriguez just might push guys like grant to healthy scratches and I have no issue with that.

Henrique-Strome-Terry
McTavish-Zegras-Vatrano
Comtois-Lundestrom-Silfverberg
Jones-Rodriguez-Carrick

Or we can swap McTavish and Rodriguez. Lots of possibilities.

We need another forward for depth purposes. Since we have extra cash, why not add a good one like E-Rod?
Except this coach wouldn't scratch Grant. It would be Jones, Comtois, or maybe McTavish. BTW, I'm not against signing Rodriguez, just think I wouldn't give him much term.
 
This. The other part for me is we lack forward depth. Adding another top 9 player like Rodriguez just might push guys like grant to healthy scratches and I have no issue with that.

Henrique-Strome-Terry
McTavish-Zegras-Vatrano
Comtois-Lundestrom-Silfverberg
Jones-Rodriguez-Carrick

Or we can swap McTavish and Rodriguez. Lots of possibilities.

We need another forward for depth purposes. Since we have extra cash, why not add a good one like E-Rod?

We need two depth NHL forwards as we have our known 12 forwards.
 
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The team, right now, has 4 established top 6 forwards (Zegras, Terry, Strome, Henrique) and two of them have only been "established" for a single season. The rest of the lineup is guys who are going to move up and down. I don't understand why you think this lineup is set right now. It will set--to an extent--at some point during the season, after guys establish chemistry and earn (or lose) their spots. And Eakins might have an idea of where he thinks guys are going to fit in right now but that doesn't mean anything is really set at all.

Why couldn't Rodrigues end up in a lower role? Is he Gretzky or something? Would that be an insult?
To me it's about roster construction, roles and player expectations. I'm of the mind that when you're adding players you have some sort of idea where they will play. Imo I see Rod as a 3rd liner. We already have 3 top 9 LW 4 if you include mctavish. If McTavish plays center then likely Strome moves to RW. If Rod is cool with 4th line duties sure grab him. I'm going to go out on a limb and say a guy who just put up 43 pts will think he deserves more than that.
 
To me it's about roster construction, roles and player expectations. I'm of the mind that when you're adding players you have some sort of idea where they will play. Imo I see Rod as a 3rd liner. We already have 3 top 9 LW 4 if you include mctavish. If McTavish plays center then likely Strome moves to RW. If Rod is cool with 4th line duties sure grab him. I'm going to go out on a limb and say a guy who just put up 43 pts will think he deserves more than that.

We have our 12 forwards set, but so much uncertainty with fit and chemistry. We haven't looked at the possibility of injuries either. We are currently lacking NHL forward depth.

Signing ERod is great for our depth. ERod put up 43 points in 82 games (0.524 ppg), but hasn't been signed yet. Milano put up 34 points in 66 games (0.515 ppg), but hasn't been signed. I'd think both would take any role they get and trying to earn their way up.

We need two NHL depth forwards and have competition there. Last year, it looked like we had depth at forward. Then Jones was out for the season, Comtois was struggling (basically invisible), and Steel remained lost. We were fortunate that Milano was in the AHL to have some scoring success.
 
To me it's about roster construction, roles and player expectations. I'm of the mind that when you're adding players you have some sort of idea where they will play. Imo I see Rod as a 3rd liner. We already have 3 top 9 LW 4 if you include mctavish. If McTavish plays center then likely Strome moves to RW. If Rod is cool with 4th line duties sure grab him. I'm going to go out on a limb and say a guy who just put up 43 pts will think he deserves more than that.
I think that's too rigid -- I don't think coaches think of their lineups that way. But even if they did, you'd agree that we only have (at most) 4 top 6 forwards I think. That means 3rd and 4th-liners WILL play in the top 6 and that will require chemistry and experimentation, some of them will fail, they'll be moved up and down, different pairings and trios will be tried, players will be played out of position and on their off wings. That's before any injuries strike. ALL of our forwards, including Max, will get opportunities. That's true even if we were to sign one (or even two) more guys like Rodrigues, who's a bottom six guy.
 
I think that's too rigid -- I don't think coaches think of their lineups that way. But even if they did, you'd agree that we only have (at most) 4 top 6 forwards I think. That means 3rd and 4th-liners WILL play in the top 6 and that will require chemistry and experimentation, some of them will fail, they'll be moved up and down, different pairings and trios will be tried, players will be played out of position and on their off wings. That's before any injuries strike. ALL of our forwards, including Max, will get opportunities. That's true even if we were to sign one (or even two) more guys like Rodrigues, who's a bottom six guy.
Yes I'd agree but I also think there are 2 potential top 6 in MC and McTavish. Which would give us 6. I agree chemistry will end up playing a major role. I guess I just don't see a real NEED outside of extra depth. If Rod is cool with potential 4th line minutes then sure. I guess I just prefer the guys we have in the top 9. Admittedly I'm still a believer in MC and it seems a lot around here aren't.
 
Yes I'd agree but I also think there are 2 potential top 6 in MC and McTavish. Which would give us 6. I agree chemistry will end up playing a major role. I guess I just don't see a real NEED outside of extra depth. If Rod is cool with potential 4th line minutes then sure. I guess I just prefer the guys we have in the top 9. Admittedly I'm still a believer in MC and it seems a lot around here aren't.
I mean it's fine to have faith, but even the most devotedly faithful ought to have backup plans, right? Because let's say that's the lineup--as soon as one of those guys falters, do you really want Eakins to have no options? Faith isn't a good shield against injuries or the very natural ups and downs of a young, shallow lineup.
 

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