Post-Game Talk: Ducks 4 - Jets 3 in OT

[KingBogo]

I understand that idea, but making those kind of trades midseason is not that easy to make. If you're Buffalo you want a RHD. Jets aren't putting Salomonsson on the table. Have to make pieces fit in big trades, and Chevy is not in panic mode where he sits. Nor has he ever traded any player off his team midseason in a hockey trade other than Kane and Bogosian and I suppose Brendan Lemieux. Job safety is one reason players stick around here.

Fair point to make, but I'm not stuck on any one player, just advocating for the concept.

 

[bustamente]

I said this earlier but as a 6th d man Stanley is probably on par with most others around the league especially with the way he has played the last week or so. I think Pionk has played a part with the calmer game you are seeing from him. Which brings me to Pionk who with his play this year is pricing himself out of the Jets roster especially if the Jets can re sign Nik and the upcoming KFC contract.

 

[Gm0ney]

Lot of the things we hear ad nauseum turn out to be garbage. We have heard that Stanley is complete garbage and that he should trip in the locker room and hurt himself, because, the team would be better with Heinola. Which is one of my favorites.
We have heard that Ehlers is the best 5vs 5 player and that he can drive any line.
We have heard that Connor is one dimensional.
We heard that Schief and Connor shouldn't play together as they will give up more than they create.
We have heard Heinola will come in and be a difference maker.

It's just too bad we didn't have Adam da bomb around to tell us to just wait 160 games for Stanley to blossom into an NHLer. It's been, what, 3 good games in a row now, so I guess we can finally put the Stanley hate to rest and get out some steaming bowls of crow!

If only Adam had been there to predict that Ehlers would plummet to 2nd on the team in 5v5 p/60 instead of 1st (as he has for every one of the past 5 seasons). How art the mighty fallen!

Or to see clearly the future where Kyle Connor, after nearly a decade of total defensive disinterest, would suddenly decide to make an effort in the Dzone. How did we not see that coming? The answer is, we just don't have Adam's vision...

Also, to be fair, I think what we heard is that Connor and Scheifele are about breakeven at 5v5...but they're +4 this year after 40 games, so I guess that's all out the window. But who did we hear this from in the first place? Oh, a huge sample of actual results. Well, just goes to show you...you can say anything with statistics!

And hey, maybe Heinola just needs 113 more games before he turns into the next Logan Stanley!

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Jets should have won that game. Period.
Couldn't finish their chances. Helle was human. Ducks were just good enough. On to the next one.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

Folks, this is our goalie. He plays for the Winnipeg Jets.

 

[johnnyonthspot]

It's almost to be expected though. You can't ride high tide forever. Jets started on time this year. Which allows them to mitigate the ebbs and flows. I think the standard for that start was that the Jets could play .500 hockey the rest of the year and still be comfortably in the playoffs.

Minnesota caught up for a minute but the injury bug is hitting them hard.

Colorado is playing their best hockey getting players back.

If the Jets are too successful on this home trip the risk is they could coast again. With a cushion. Definitely want to be firing on all cylinders at the right time of the year and that's April and May.


I think or hope the next impact is Samberg coming back, and it's a positive one.

Good points all around especially seeing if Samberg's return shakes things up. I think a solid home trip will give them enough cushion too relax a bit and then make a push in April.
I am not as concerned about wins and losses but about how they play. For example last night and the previous game against them they had no answer for the forecheck. This is a concern because if it happens in the playoffs they will be golfing very early.

 

[KingBogo]

Folks, this is our goalie. He plays for the Winnipeg Jets.

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And we all love him, with maybe a couple exceptions.

 

[Adam da bomb]

It's just too bad we didn't have Adam da bomb around to tell us to just wait 160 games for Stanley to blossom into an NHLer. It's been, what, 3 good games in a row now, so I guess we can finally put the Stanley hate to rest and get out some steaming bowls of crow!

If only Adam had been there to predict that Ehlers would plummet to 2nd on the team in 5v5 p/60 instead of 1st (as he has for every one of the past 5 seasons). How art the mighty fallen!

Or to see clearly the future where Kyle Connor, after nearly a decade of total defensive disinterest, would suddenly decide to make an effort in the Dzone. How did we not see that coming? The answer is, we just don't have Adam's vision...

Also, to be fair, I think what we heard is that Connor and Scheifele are about breakeven at 5v5...but they're +4 this year after 40 games, so I guess that's all out the window. But who did we hear this from in the first place? Oh, a huge sample of actual results. Well, just goes to show you...you can say anything with statistics!

And hey, maybe Heinola just needs 113 more games before he turns into the next Logan Stanley!

Wow the sarcasm is strong with you.
Stan may still turn out to be bad. The hatred around here is over the top when someone wishes that he injuries himself just so he won't play. I mean I would think that the mods would have seen that one and deleted the comments and given the person a warning not a pat on the back. Yet, he's just 6'7 a talentless hack.

Connor another whipping boy around here that the hatred was much stronger than he deserved.

Connor and Schief might be break even, but, their line is one of the hottest lines throughout the whole league haven't you heard?

Ehlers line should be able to feast on the weaker line they are facing as the other team tries to line match against csv. If he is the line driver that people around here talk him up as he should be able to make it work with Perfetti and Names. Many other star players have had less to work with in terms of line mates and continued to produce.

 

[WolfHouse]

The ratio of Stan haters on this thread is probably at its lowest this year. He made some nice plays out there. I imagine he had a decent expected goal rating with some of the offense he generated.

I think he's starting to separate himself from Heinola if he plays the way he has in the past couple of games.

Just wait until arniel keeps him on the second pairing even after samberg gets back...

 

[Cnile]

It's just too bad we didn't have Adam da bomb around to tell us to just wait 160 games for Stanley to blossom into an NHLer. It's been, what, 3 good games in a row now, so I guess we can finally put the Stanley hate to rest and get out some steaming bowls of crow!

If only Adam had been there to predict that Ehlers would plummet to 2nd on the team in 5v5 p/60 instead of 1st (as he has for every one of the past 5 seasons). How art the mighty fallen!

Or to see clearly the future where Kyle Connor, after nearly a decade of total defensive disinterest, would suddenly decide to make an effort in the Dzone. How did we not see that coming? The answer is, we just don't have Adam's vision...

Also, to be fair, I think what we heard is that Connor and Scheifele are about breakeven at 5v5...but they're +4 this year after 40 games, so I guess that's all out the window. But who did we hear this from in the first place? Oh, a huge sample of actual results. Well, just goes to show you...you can say anything with statistics!

And hey, maybe Heinola just needs 113 more games before he turns into the next Logan Stanley!

Great post

 

[WolfHouse]

Wow the sarcasm is strong with you.
Stan may still turn out to be bad. The hatred around here is over the top when someone wishes that he injuries himself just so he won't play. I mean I would think that the mods would have seen that one and deleted the comments and given the person a warning not a pat on the back. Yet, he's just 6'7 a talentless hack.

Connor another whipping boy around here that the hatred was much stronger than he deserved.

Connor and Schief might be break even, but, their line is one of the hottest lines throughout the whole league haven't you heard?

Ehlers line should be able to feast on the weaker line they are facing as the other team tries to line match against csv. If he is the line driver that people around here talk him up as he should be able to make it work with Perfetti and Names. Many other star players have had less to work with in terms of line mates and continued to produce.

He is the 'line driver' for our powerplay and his two linemates are on pace for career or near career seasons... names was a 4c until he was paired with ehlers

As for stan, i think the ship has sailed for heinola... competition is and prob always has been stan or fleury - will wait and see, im hopeful stan keeps improving - hes def playing with confidence suddenly

 

[BarnabyJones PI]

He is the 'line driver' for our powerplay and his two linemates are on pace for career or near career seasons... names was a 4c until he was paired with ehlers

How so? Relative to any of the other parts of the 1st unit.

 

[Adam da bomb]

He is the 'line driver' for our powerplay and his two linemates are on pace for career or near career seasons... names was a 4c until he was paired with ehlers

As for stan, i think the ship has sailed for heinola... competition is and prob always has been stan or fleury - will wait and see, im hopeful stan keeps improving - hes def playing with confidence suddenly

Maybe, during our hot streak but last night I didn’t feel any confidence they might get a goal. I felt like it was the first line or bust.

Iafallo surprised me.

 

[WolfHouse]

Maybe, during our hot streak but last night I didn’t feel any confidence they might get a goal. I felt like it was the first line or bust.

Iafallo surprised me.

Our powerplay was all over them... gibson bailed them out in a massive way

How so? Relative to any of the other parts of the 1st unit.

Stats with and without ehlers have been posted previously... its substantial

 

[gojetsgo]

Our powerplay was all over them... gibson bailed them out in a massive way


Stats with and without ehlers have been posted previously... its substantial

I think if you take away anyone of the other 4 and sub in perfetti the powerplay would also not be as good, all 5 make it work + the system it's self

 

[Adam da bomb]

Our powerplay was all over them... gibson bailed them out in a massive way


Stats with and without ehlers have been posted previously... its substantial

I never said ehlers doesn’t drive our pp I was talking bout even strength that the 2nd line wasn’t good so I’m blaming the leader.

If the first line was failing to look dangerous I’d blame schief.

Also it was less bout Stan and Heinola. What I was talking bout is that Stan was just called tall. That if he wasn’t 6’7 he wouldn’t be playing. It definitely helps he is a big guy, but, I thnk we should talk bout him like he is a hockey player. Not a guy we wish would get injured to get out of the line up. Not a pylon.
He may get replaced when fleury and berg come back, but I feel he at least deserves some respect.

 

[WolfHouse]

I think if you take away anyone of the other 4 and sub in perfetti the powerplay would also not be as good, all 5 make it work + the system it's self

Tonsome extent but replacing ehlers with perfetti tanked our pp1 and last season our pp1 was not producing anywhere near this level

Ehlers lets vilardi swap bumper roles and he gains the zone with speed - pushing D back... his style of play highly impacts the way our powerplay works... without him our movement drops dramatically

 

[Adam da bomb]

Tonsome extent but replacing ehlers with perfetti tanked our pp1 and last season our pp1 was not producing anywhere near this level

Ehlers lets vilardi swap bumper roles and he gains the zone with speed - pushing D back... his style of play highly impacts the way our powerplay works... without him our movement drops dramatically

Except he doesn’t gain the zone. He should, but schief or Connor bring puck in. Ehlers is an ace at zone entries.
It also has to do with coaching last year Connor stayed in one spot. You can even make the argument it works with movement because of Ehlers. When ehlers was out, bad habits crept in. But, I think Villardi’s net presence is equally big as he has soft hands for a big guy.

 

[DRW204]

Wow the sarcasm is strong with you.
Stan may still turn out to be bad. The hatred around here is over the top when someone wishes that he injuries himself just so he won't play. I mean I would think that the mods would have seen that one and deleted the comments and given the person a warning not a pat on the back. Yet, he's just 6'7 a talentless hack.

Connor another whipping boy around here that the hatred was much stronger than he deserved.

Connor and Schief might be break even, but, their line is one of the hottest lines throughout the whole league haven't you heard?

Ehlers line should be able to feast on the weaker line they are facing as the other team tries to line match against csv. If he is the line driver that people around here talk him up as he should be able to make it work with Perfetti and Names. Many other star players have had less to work with in terms of line mates and continued to produce.

Who are the many stars that are playing with two 35-45 pt players and producing at a star-like level? Namestnikov has 1x40 pt season in 12 years, and Perfetti is not a factor on offense and spends more time in droughts than California.
Maybe the problem Is you're categorizing Ehlers as a star (which to me is McDavid, Kucherov, Mackinnon etc) when he is not at their level.
He's made it work plenty with either lesser or a turnstile of linemates in the past. But this year it hasn't happened to the extent of previous ones, who of that line's fwds are lagging in 5v5 production? Idk, 2 of them are near the bottom of top 9 fwds in 5v5 scoring rates

Also for all the hype you're giving CSV for the year, which they deserve, they're a +3 and 3.14 gf/60, the ENP line is a +8 and 2.96 gf/60.

 

[WolfHouse]

Except he doesn’t gain the zone. He should, but schief or Connor bring puck in. Ehlers is an ace at zone entries.
It also has to do with coaching last year Connor stayed in one spot. You can even make the argument it works with movement because of Ehlers. When ehlers was out, bad habits crept in. But, I think Villardi’s net presence is equally big as he has soft hands for a big guy.

could i have some garlic toast with this word salad please

 

[Adam da bomb]

could i have some garlic toast with this word salad please

Ehlers doesn’t bring luck in pp.

 

[gojetsgo]

Tonsome extent but replacing ehlers with perfetti tanked our pp1 and last season our pp1 was not producing anywhere near this level

Ehlers lets vilardi swap bumper roles and he gains the zone with speed - pushing D back... his style of play highly impacts the way our powerplay works... without him our movement drops dramatically

ehlers doesn't zone entry on the powerplay, swapping perfetti with anyone is going to drop the production of the powerplay, last year we didn't have davis payne whose system is 10000000 time's better then w/e lauer was trying to run

 

[BarnabyJones PI]

Stats with and without ehlers have been posted previously... its substantial

I mean, your opinion, insight, as to why he's the one who's driving the line, the engine, etc?

The stats that have been previously posted, is it from this year? The PP has had a facelift, more moving pieces, and because of this, more options have openend up as to who they can pass to.

That's not to say that Ehlers isn't adding to the movement, he does, he's certainly important to it, but I don't see how he's the one creating the most movement, rather, any more movement than say Morrissey or KFC. And he's not one of the players carrying the puck on zone entries (edit - saw that this was mentioned in the previous posts). Credit to Ehlers though, he's making the most of his opportunity.

 

[BarnabyJones PI]

could i have some garlic toast with this word salad please

Yum, word salad, steaming bowls of crow, and I wouldn't mind a side order of humble pie. That would really hit the spot.

 

[Hank Chinaski]

Tonsome extent but replacing ehlers with perfetti tanked our pp1 and last season our pp1 was not producing anywhere near this level

Ehlers lets vilardi swap bumper roles and he gains the zone with speed - pushing D back... his style of play highly impacts the way our powerplay works... without him our movement drops dramatically

With nearly every NHL PP set up as a 1-3-1, it seems like the more successful units are the ones that offer some kind of wrinkle to the vanilla “two flanks, point, bumper, netfront” look.

I almost see Ehlers as a bit of a “rover” on that unit. He’s primarily in the bumper spot, but he gets utilized just about everywhere, including netfront (see goal #1 vs Wild a few weeks ago). He skates it out to the point alongside Morrissey and all of a sudden the Jets are in more of a 2-3 spread. They also move him out of the bumper to give more of an umbrella look at 5v3.

Long winded way of saying I agree with you, Ehlers has been instrumental in our PP success this season.