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voyageur said:
He's actually been decent at the part of shutting down those 2 on 1 cross crease passes, just by laying a massive giraffe leg out. Full extended Stan probalby cover 10 feet of ice flopping on his belly. Maybe it's science. He and Fleury block shots, which is what any d-man on the PK should do if you don't want to create rebound opportunities.

Probably is too slow. Fleury though is getting closer to Samberg's numbers with each game.
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I think Fleury has played well, especially when within his limits. Mobile, seems to look for the simpler outlets but can skate it out, has a goof first pass and while not particularly physical uses body positioning to block lanes, etc.

Think he's been a solid acquisition. Nought wrong with a SAH defender on a modest contract who doesn't make a lot of mistakes and seems comfortable playing the Jets' preferred transition game.
 
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White Out 902 said:
I think the 15 wins and one loss has more to do with the fact that we're number one in the league. The hot start, I get it it happened. I'm talking about the last 22% of the Season where we are below 500 and playing like a lottery Team 5 on 5. Our goal tending and power play hasn't been able to keep us at a winning rate over the last stretch of that hockey.
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We are 5-2-1 in our last 8 games
 
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Howard Chuck said:
I don’t know if anyone is bitching (although could be someone I have on ignore), it seems to me mostly discussing pros and cons of different players at different points of the season.
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Seriously? You don't know if anyone is bitching?

Your definition of bitching is different from mine. I went back to the start of this board and examined just the first 100 posts in this file. I counted 31 of them are deliberate bitching.

Speaking of how you define things: Many years ago in a professional meeting I got so frustrated with opposing counsel that I blurted out "What kind of moron are you?" My opponent turned to the chair and complained that I had insulted him. Recovering quickly, I said, "It wasn't an insult, it was a request for information." The chair supressed a smirk but dismissed the complaint with a reminder to both sides to remain professional.
 
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Gm0ney said:
The Jets' last 8 opponents have a combined points percentage of .477 and a goal differential of -120. Vegas is the only one with a positive goal differential (and the Jets lost to them in OT).
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5-2-1 is still a winning record against said teams.
 
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Stumbledore said:
Seriously? You don't know if anyone is bitching?

Your definition of bitching is different from mine. I went back to the start of this board and examined just the first 100 posts in this file. I counted 31 of them are deliberate bitching.

Speaking of how you define things: Many years ago in a professional meeting I got so frustrated with opposing counsel that I blurted out "What kind of moron are you?" My opponent turned to the chair and complained that I had insulted him. Recovering quickly, I said, "It wasn't an insult, it was a request for information." The chair supressed a smirk but dismissed the complaint with a reminder to both sides to remain professional.
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That's funny, i have to remember that one.:laugh:
 
White Out 902 said:
I'm only going to ask one simple question. There's been statistical evidence provided that 5-on-5 for the last 18 games, which represents 22% of a hockey season, the Jets rank 30th in the league for 5-on-5. How can this possibly not be a concern with the game going forward? This is not a small sample size. This is basically a quarter of a season being played with a lottery team 5-on-5.
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Does 5v5 have more predictive value of playoff success than all stregnths?
 
When the Jets were going 15-1 they were playing 50-60 minutes a game most of the time. This game they played for 15. I think that is the difference. Coasted through 2 periods. Came out playing hard in the 3rd. Seemed to completely run out of gas with 5 to go. That PP with 3 minutes left looked just like the PPs of other recent seasons - no zip. Power-failure Play.
 
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White Out 902 said:
I'm only going to ask one simple question. There's been statistical evidence provided that 5-on-5 for the last 18 games, which represents 22% of a hockey season, the Jets rank 30th in the league for 5-on-5. How can this possibly not be a concern with the game going forward? This is not a small sample size. This is basically a quarter of a season being played with a lottery team 5-on-5.
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How are they 30th exactly.

johnnyonthspot said:
Interesting take. I am just hoping they get something for Ehler's and think he is worth at least a second line centre
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If you can find me 5-10 trades in the cap era whee a team moves out of one of their top scoring fwds at the tdl I'll warm up to your thinking.
 
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Buffdog said:
Does 5v5 have more predictive value of playoff success than all stregnths?
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5v5 xGoal +/- last regular season (using SportLogiq's xG - which is apparently a bit better than public models, but not a ton - like 80% vs. 75% or something I think). You can see the Cup Finalists are 1-2 (well, 2-1 I suppose) and the Canes and Stars were the other two Conference Finalists):
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Here's the 2021-22 season - Cup winner Vegas was 8th, but the Panthers were 3rd in xG+/-. Carolina was 6th. Dallas was a surprise.
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Gm0ney said:
5v5 xGoal +/- last regular season (using SportLogiq's xG - which is apparently a bit better than public models, but not a ton - like 80% vs. 75% or something I think). You can see the Cup Finalists are 1-2 (well, 2-1 I suppose) and the Canes and Stars were the other two Conference Finalists):
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Here's the 2021-22 season - Cup winner Vegas was 8th, but the Panthers were 3rd in xG+/-. Carolina was 6th. Dallas was a surprise.
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Just to be clear...

According to the labels, that's all stregth xG +/-?
 
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Gm0ney said:
Oh yeah sorry...that's all strengths.
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I've dug a bit before and I believe that all stregth goal differential is a stronger correlator with playoff success than 5v5 goal differential - which is why I always shake my head when people trot out poor 5v5 play as "the thing" to bemoan

That said, I've never looked at xG

That's also not to say that I don't think that the Jets should be better at 5v5, but I don't think it's the death knell on the season that the catastrophizers are making it out to be
 
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Buffdog said:
I've dug a bit before and I believe that all stregth goal differential is a stronger correlator with playoff success than 5v5 goal differential - which is why I always shake my head when people trot out poor 5v5 play as "the thing" to bemoan

That said, I've never looked at xG

That's also not to say that I don't think that the Jets should be better at 5v5, but I don't think it's the death knell on the season that the catastrophizers are making it out to be
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FWIW, NST had Oilers, Canes, Stars, Kings and Panthers as their Top 5 (in that order) 5v5 xG% last year.

But it make sense that looking at a full season in all-situations would be a better predictor. You've got a big sample of PK and PP. Kinda like full season goal differential correlates pretty well too - the sample's large enough that some signal emerges from the noise.

When you're just over 30 games into a season though, the shot metrics would be less noisy than the goal metrics.
 
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DRW204 said:
How are they 30th exactly.


If you can find me 5-10 trades in the cap era whee a team moves out of one of their top scoring fwds at the tdl I'll warm up to your thinking.
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I would have to really research that but Chevy has pulled off some amazing deals.

Buffdog said:
I've dug a bit before and I believe that all stregth goal differential is a stronger correlator with playoff success than 5v5 goal differential - which is why I always shake my head when people trot out poor 5v5 play as "the thing" to bemoan

That said, I've never looked at xG

That's also not to say that I don't think that the Jets should be better at 5v5, but I don't think it's the death knell on the season that the catastrophizers are making it out to be
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It's a death knell , you need special teams but getting caved in 5 v 5 leads to lots of shots, tired players and penalties..they have to be stronger 5 v 5 . Full stop, period!
 
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Stumbledore said:
Seriously? You don't know if anyone is bitching?

Your definition of bitching is different from mine. I went back to the start of this board and examined just the first 100 posts in this file. I counted 31 of them are deliberate bitching.

Speaking of how you define things: Many years ago in a professional meeting I got so frustrated with opposing counsel that I blurted out "What kind of moron are you?" My opponent turned to the chair and complained that I had insulted him. Recovering quickly, I said, "It wasn't an insult, it was a request for information." The chair supressed a smirk but dismissed the complaint with a reminder to both sides to remain professional.
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31% huh?

That’s almost as good as our power play …..….. :laugh:
 
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Stumbledore said:
Speaking of how you define things: Many years ago in a professional meeting I got so frustrated with opposing counsel that I blurted out "What kind of moron are you?" My opponent turned to the chair and complained that I had insulted him. Recovering quickly, I said, "It wasn't an insult, it was a request for information." The chair supressed a smirk but dismissed the complaint with a reminder to both sides to remain professional.
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Could you please attend an Arniel presser, hold up a picture of Stanley and ask that same question?

That's not me bitching. I'm making a request for intermediation.
 
Jets 31 said:
That's funny, i have to remember that one.:laugh:
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I've heard different versions of this, but in my moment of panic that's the line I reached for. There's more clever alternatives to avoid getting sanctions and I expect they came from barristers much more clever than me.

Board Bard said:
Could you please attend an Arniel presser, hold up a picture of Stanley and ask that same question?

That's not me bitching. I'm making a request for intermediation.
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I have enough trouble just getting around the house these days. But I do agree with you completely. What the coach sees in that tall, slow pylon I'll never know.
 
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Stumbledore said:
Seriously? You don't know if anyone is bitching?

Your definition of bitching is different from mine. I went back to the start of this board and examined just the first 100 posts in this file. I counted 31 of them are deliberate bitching.

Speaking of how you define things: Many years ago in a professional meeting I got so frustrated with opposing counsel that I blurted out "What kind of moron are you?" My opponent turned to the chair and complained that I had insulted him. Recovering quickly, I said, "It wasn't an insult, it was a request for information." The chair supressed a smirk but dismissed the complaint with a reminder to both sides to remain professional.
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@Stumbledore is now pronounced "icon" at my house, hahaha

But seriously there is way too much bitching from the sexually frustrated among us.
 
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