News Article: Drury signs multi-year extension

[Kendo]

People are definitely overreacting. Yes he's made 2 bad trades but he's been fine for the most part, and he knows the problem with the team and is going to address it, he started last summer getting rid of the garbage and will continue this summer.

I looked over his trades the other night. My first takeaway was the sheer number of them. A couple of retools, and buying at the TDL basically every season.

He's made more than two bad trades. When you cut out the table scrap trades where it's "not much for not much," you're left with almost half of them being not very good, almost a third being market value, and almost a quarter being good value good trades. My totally subjective and unscientific opinion.

I totally agree that there's *some* overreaction. Just perhaps not as much as you would say there is, and I think you're underreacting a little bit.

I'm just as likely to respond to someone else that's saying HE'S NEVER DONE ANYTHING GOOD and point towards some very good moves he's made. Like if someone else said "Yes he's made 2 good trades, but..." I would say that same second paragraph. "He's made more than two good trades, etc."

Whoever they decide to run this bench has to be one of those transformational guys. The team has to be in his image. There are certain transformational guys who, once you bring them in, nobody questions It's a short list. Torts. Tocchet, Quenneville. Then you surround him with the best X/O guys out there. That's the only way i could even fathom the inevitible Messier question because even though he has coached zero games in the time we have moved on from three coaches, there are still people who think he is somehow the answer.

I loved the first 80% of your post and couldn't agree more. You described how I approach GM mode in any sports game. Never losing sight of contention OR development. There are plenty of real teams that operate similarly too, given the different developmental paths in different sports.

You lost me at Q. Torts would be great for the memes, but I'd still prefer not. I don't want Tocchet or Sullivan for somewhat similar reasons to each other, but I guess I could stomach either.

What I want is for Edmonton to flame out early, they thank Knoblauch for his service as a "bridge coach" and move on from him, and then we can swoop in and make everything right with the world. Not saying it's likely...

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I looked over his trades the other night. My first takeaway was the sheer number of them. A couple of retools, and buying at the TDL basically every season.

He's made more than two bad trades. When you cut out the table scrap trades where it's "not much for not much," you're left with almost half of them being not very good, almost a third being market value, and almost a quarter being good value good trades. My totally subjective and unscientific opinion.

I totally agree that there's *some* overreaction. Just perhaps not as much as you would say there is, and I think you're underreacting a little bit.

I'm just as likely to respond to someone else that's saying HE'S NEVER DONE ANYTHING GOOD and point towards some very good moves he's made. Like if someone else said "Yes he's made 2 good trades, but..." I would say that same second paragraph. "He's made more than two good trades, etc."


I loved the first 80% of your post and couldn't agree more. You described how I approach GM mode in any sports game. Never losing sight of contention OR development. There are plenty of real teams that operate similarly too, given the different developmental paths in different sports.

You lost me at Q. Torts would be great for the memes, but I'd still prefer not. I don't want Tocchet or Sullivan for somewhat similar reasons to each other, but I guess I could stomach either.

What I want is for Edmonton to flame out early, they thank Knoblauch for his service as a "bridge coach" and move on from him, and then we can swoop in and make everything right with the world. Not saying it's likely...

You’re probably just looking at hindsight 20/20, which most trades will look bad if we didnt win a cup. Like most teams trades do when they are going for a cup and make deadline trades and dont win.

 

[gabevh3]

I mean on the one hand, fair enough, I don't know exactly what Drury gets credit for in his prior roles.

I know he has never had a hockey ops role outside of the NYR org. I know he GMed the Wolfpack to their usual .500 or worse seasons and publicly humiliated a 19 year old Kravtsov in front of his team.

I know he is collectively replacing Gorton and JD. JD who had previously been the President of 2 NHL franchises.

Gorton whose resume before becoming the Rangers GM was putting together the Bruins roster that was one of the best teams in the league for a decade or so after he left - the 2006 draft, trading Raycroft for Rask, and signing Savard and Chara.

So yea. I don't know exactly what Drury accomplished. But I can't see it being all that impressive relative to the two individuals he replaced, and his track record to date hasn't done much to cause a change in opinion. Call me crazy but for what should be one of the premier jobs in the entire NHL, I would hope the NYR would set their sights higher.

What did he yell at Kravtsov, did anyone say?
He should yell at the veterans and maybe they'll leave lol

 

[Kendo]

You’re probably just looking at hindsight 20/20, which most trades will look bad if we didnt win a cup. Like most teams trades do when they are going for a cup and make deadline trades and dont win.

Nope. I call Vatrano a great trade. Copp a very good one. I felt pretty good about them at the time and they worked out pretty well, despite the lack of a Cup win.

The bad ones felt bad at the time and did squat for us. You know at least two that I'm talking about!

I'm being super fair here. Don't "Hindsight" me. LOL

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Nope. I call Vatrano a great trade. Copp a very good one. I felt pretty good about them at the time and they worked out pretty well, despite the lack of a Cup win.

The bad ones felt bad at the time and did squat for us. You know at least two that I'm talking about!

I'm being super fair here. Don't "Hindsight" me. LOL

Getting rid of Trouba and Goodrow, two “unmovable contracts” based on every other fan base weren't good trades?

Actually, you got me interested so i looked at his trades. Most trades were even or good trades with only a couple stinkers. So not sure what your going on about.

 

[nyr2k2]

What did he yell at Kravtsov, did anyone say?
He should yell at the veterans and maybe they'll leave lol

I believe he apparently yelled at him that he was giving up on his teammates or something, or that he was quitting on the team.

 

[hackeyman]

Ambivalent.

I’m not exactly a Drury fan but I don’t hate his guts either.

WTF is wrong with you ???

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

I feel like there is a weird circular problem with Panarin/Marner.

You can't have both. The main obstacle with getting Marner is to unload Panarin. One problem unloading Panarin is that anyone interesting in Panarin could have Marner for free. Another problem with unloading Panarin is that he can block the move. If you get too creative, Marner looks the way we treat even the best UFA's here and decides to go somewhere else.

Not sure if I follow. If they overlap for a season, who cares?

To make the cap work I'm sure they'd have to move Kreider. The only way I support moving Kreider is if it's to bring in Marner. We're going to have Perreault, Berard, Rempe, Othmann, Edstrom and probably Robertson all on ELCs next year

 

[Bob Richards]

WTF is wrong with you ???

I know my extremist position of "I neither like or dislike this thing" is a scorching hot take but someone has to say it. Someone has to be brave.

 

[Irishguy42]

I know my extremist position of "I neither like or dislike this thing" is a scorching hot take but someone has to say it. Someone has to be brave.

 

[nyr2k2]

I know my extremist position of "I neither like or dislike this thing" is a scorching hot take but someone has to say it. Someone has to be brave.

Haha, honestly, there is a small group of people on HFNYR that I find myself agreeing with pretty regularly (you being one), and they're generally the people who subscribe to the "I don't need to have an aggressively strong opinion about everything" line of thinking.

 

[hackeyman]

Do I agree with everything Drury has done to date? No. I also have decisions I wish I could have a do-over on.

My wish has actually been granted - during this abomination of a season I wanted changes, drastic as they may, to please change the culture and team identity. Given Drury's track record so far, he is cold as ice in player transactions.

I'm looking forward to the offseason, and just really hope we keep our young core intact. (or most of it)

The problem is Drury is the culture and not in a good way.

 

[hackeyman]

I HATE HATE HATE THIS !

 

[Kendo]

Getting rid of Trouba and Goodrow, two “unmovable contracts” based on every other fan base weren't good trades?

Actually, you got me interested so i looked at his trades. Most trades were even or good trades with only a couple stinkers. So not sure what your going on about.

Oh, Trouba for "a decent 6D / awesome 7D" in Vaaks was a pretty good trade. Waiving Goodrow without having to pay the Nemeth tax was nice. Lindy trade good. Just because I didn't already list it, doesn't mean I don't think it was a good move.

I count at least 5 bad ones, arguably more. You're stuck on "He hasn't made more than two bad moves," and think I'm saying "He hasn't made more than two good moves." Hence your rhetorical question. I think both of those statements are incorrect.

If you're still not sure what I'm on about, then never mind. Geez.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Oh, Trouba for "a decent 6D / awesome 7D" in Vaaks was a pretty good trade. Waiving Goodrow without having to pay the Nemeth tax was nice. Lindy trade good. Just because I didn't already list it, doesn't mean I don't think it was a good move.

I count at least 5 bad ones, arguably more. You're stuck on "He hasn't made more than two bad moves," and think I'm saying "He hasn't made more than two good moves." Hence your rhetorical question. I think both of those statements are incorrect.

If you're still not sure what I'm on about, then never mind. Geez.

So list your 5 bad trades. Minus Kakko and Buch, so name 3. For all the trades he makes, he’s stll batting decent.

 

[McRanger92]

I believe he apparently yelled at him that he was giving up on his teammates or something, or that he was quitting on the team.

He was correct

 

[yrrebbor]

Ugh

 

[Kendo]

So list your 5 bad trades. Minus Kakko and Buch, so name 3. For all the trades he makes, he’s stll batting decent.

Soucy.

Kane & Tarasenko instead of one or the other.

Ros & Wennberg instead of one or the other.

Unironically trading Howden.

Krav.

A few dumb things at the AHL level too, but w/e.

No need to quibble one or more of those points, either. I would also say he's still batting decent. He's been all over the place as far as identity, direction, development, HR/PR, and even trade value. A mixed bag in every aspect including results. "Decent but erratic."

 

[tlk]

As a certain player is having a 4pt playoff night, I have to say (unoriginally probably I know) that Chris Drury has the air of a man who's adamant he hasn't put a foot wrong in this job.

He probably thinks that Nemeth was either a bad luck case or even maybe that he was needed to fill some gap at that point in time... So he went and signed Soucy.

 

[SML2]

Not sure if I follow. If they overlap for a season, who cares?

To make the cap work I'm sure they'd have to move Kreider. The only way I support moving Kreider is if it's to bring in Marner. We're going to have Perreault, Berard, Rempe, Othmann, Edstrom and probably Robertson all on ELCs next year

Marner isn't signing for anything south of 14M IMO. 25M in 2 players is not any kind of math I would sign off on.

 

[McRanger92]

As a certain player is having a 4pt playoff night, I have to say (unoriginally probably I know) that Chris Drury has the air of a man who's adamant he hasn't put a foot wrong in this job.

He probably thinks that Nemeth was either a bad luck case or even maybe that he was needed to fill some gap at that point in time... So he went and signed Soucy.

Soucy hate is overblown. His underlying numbers were good as a Ranger. Also I think Drury knows when he’s made a mistake, he’s routinely corrected them instead of doubled down

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Soucy.

Kane & Tarasenko instead of one or the other.

Ros & Wennberg instead of one or the other.

Unironically trading Howden.

Krav.

A few dumb things at the AHL level too, but w/e.

No need to quibble one or more of those points, either. I would also say he's still batting decent. He's been all over the place as far as identity, direction, development, HR/PR, and even trade value. A mixed bag in every aspect including results. "Decent but erratic."

Krav? He's not even an NHL player.

Ros we got for a 4th round draft pick and for that price he was absolutely fine and played decent for us. Wennberg he overpaid a bit.

Kane a good trade, didn't even trade a 1st away, everyone here was thrilled with that trade. Hindsight because we didn't win the cup.

Tarasenko, another good trade, also getting a solid defenseman Mikkola in it, all for the 29th pick and spare parts. Hindsight because we didn't win the cup.

The entire board was bitching about Howden so nobody cared when he traded, again hindsight.

Soucy trade not good either.

Overall, his trades have been fine. Not the thing I would be picking on Drury about.

 

[tlk]

Overall, his trades have been fine.

overall there seems to be a lot going wrong about many of the statements in that post

 

[Kendo]

Krav? He's not even an NHL player.

Ros we got for a 4th round draft pick and for that price he was absolutely fine and played decent for us. Wennberg he overpaid a bit.

Kane a good trade, didn't even trade a 1st away, everyone here was thrilled with that trade. Hindsight because we didn't win the cup.

Tarasenko, another good trade, also getting a solid defenseman Mikkola in it, all for the 29th pick and spare parts. Hindsight because we didn't win the cup.

The entire board was bitching about Howden so nobody cared when he traded, again hindsight.

Soucy trade not good either.

Overall, his trades have been fine. Not the thing I would be picking on Drury about.

A 7th rounder for a 9th overall is terrible asset mgmt. He also had a direct hand in the depreciation of that asset as HFD GM.

Wennberg was an overpay. Correct. I would have only done the Roslo trade.

I didn't like the Kane trade at the time, and I wasn't alone. I would have only done the Senko trade. You keep saying I've changed my mind when I haven't.

I wasn't bitching about Howden at the time. I wanted to keep him. I thought he could have been a useful bottom 6er with a good motor, and insurance for an injury prone Chytil. I wish we had him last year instead of Bonino at 3C for a couple months. Again, you're putting past words in my mouth and calling *me* the revisionist. LOL

His trades have been a mixed bag. Some say they've been worse than they were. You're saying they're not as bad. I'm somewhere in that middle "mixed bag" area.

You're exhausting. =)

EDIT: You granted Kakko & Buch. You acknowledge Soucy & Wennberg. Wouldn't the Nemeth debacle make it 5 minimum and we're just quibbling over minor details?

 

[SA16]

A 7th rounder for a 9th overall is terrible asset mgmt. He also had a direct hand in the depreciation of that asset as HFD GM.

Wennberg was an overpay. Correct. I would have only done the Roslo trade.

I didn't like the Kane trade at the time, and I wasn't alone. I would have only done the Senko trade. You keep saying I've changed my mind when I haven't.

I wasn't bitching about Howden at the time. I wanted to keep him. I thought he could have been a useful bottom 6er with a good motor, and insurance for an injury prone Chytil. I wish we had him last year instead of Bonino at 3C for a couple months. Again, you're putting past words in my mouth and calling *me* the revisionist. LOL

His trades have been a mixed bag. Some say they've been worse than they were. You're saying they're not as bad. I'm somewhere in that middle "mixed bag" area.

You're exhausting. =)

You can likely do the same exercise for every GM in the league that's been around for at least a few years and get almost the same result.