Draisaitl or Bergeron

[Raccoon Jesus]

I'm a fan of Bergeron but I take Drai and it's not particularly close.

When building a team it's a lot easier to find defensive forwards than it is to find a guy who can produce like Draisaitl.

Bergeron is a defensive forward you just go and find just like Draisaitl is a productive offensive player you just go get.

We're not talking about Trevor Lewis here.

 

[HolyHagelin]

By the time playoffs roll around Drai is always injured and fades in the big games...Bergeron is the winner here.

The only people with higher playoff ppg than draisatl are 66, 97, and 99

 

[EdmFlyersfan]

The only people with higher playoff ppg than draisatl are 66, 97, and 99

Big games in the playoffs...he disappears, check out those stats.

 

[Cats2TheCup]

Wow a 6x reputation award winner! I've never insinuated Bergeron is a slouch but we are talking a potential top 50 player of all time versus a borderline top 100

We all just saw what happens when a team built around McDavid + Draisaitl runs into a team built around a Selke winner.

The results? Barkov > Mc + Drai

There are valid reasons for choosing Bergeron over Drai.

 

[danny90]

Who do you want more in a game 7 third period defending a one goal lead, not many guys ahead of Bergeron and when the offense dies like it did for Drai what more does he offer

 

[GreatGonzo]

We all just saw what happens when a team built around McDavid + Draisaitl runs into a team built around a Selke winner.

The results? Barkov > Mc + Drai

There are valid reasons for choosing Bergeron over Drai.

I mean they took it to 7 games and lost by 1 goal? I don’t see how that’s a knock against Edmonton considering their goaltending, defense, and secondary scoring being inconsistent at best.

Barkov also 5 points in 7 games and was a -1 on the series. He actually only had 1 goal and was a -5 the last 4 games of the series. He couldn’t shut down McDavid who basically was the only one to consistently show up in that series and had 11 points.

Barkov was nothing special against Edmonton and all the smythe talk was going to Bob, especially early in the series.

Who do you want more in a game 7 third period defending a one goal lead, not many guys ahead of Bergeron and when the offense dies like it did for Drai what more does he offer

what about when it’s Game 7 and you are down and need more offense? Can Bergeron deliver?

Big games in the playoffs...he disappears, check out those stats.

Is Bergeron really much better overall in big games? He has had his moments but he also had plenty where he didn’t perform well.

 

[thefutures]

Bergeron further cementing himself as one of the most over rated players ever by getting a third of the votes here. A French version of toews with less winning.

 

[K1984]

We all just saw what happens when a team built around McDavid + Draisaitl runs into a team built around a Selke winner.

The results? Barkov > Mc + Drai

There are valid reasons for choosing Bergeron over Drai.

Comical.

If you think that Barkov "outplaying" McDavid or Draisaitl in the Final was the reason the Panthers won you either didn't watch the series or have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

 

[PB37]

Bergeron was never the best player on the bruins 1st line he was never the 2nd best player on that line

He was never the bruins best C in their cup runs

He is up there most overrated hockey player ever by the way his fans talk about him.

There were better offensive players but there wasn't a more complete forward on the Bruins during those years. Lost about three years of time from concussions and lockouts and still put up over 400 goals / 1000 points to go along with his unprecedented 12 Selke finalist years in a row.

 

[BostonBob]

Bergeron further cementing himself as one of the most over rated players ever by getting a third of the votes here. A French version of toews with less winning.

And you just cemented yourself as one of the biggest dopes here on HFBoards. Well done.

 

[Regal]

Bergeron was never the best player on the bruins 1st line he was never the 2nd best player on that line

He was never the bruins best C in their cup runs

He is up there most overrated hockey player ever by the way his fans talk about him.

Neither of those is true. He was most definitely the best player on his line before Marchand’s breakout. And he was the Bruins best center when they went to the final in 2019

 

[Mick Riddleton]

Drai will walk away with more points on the board, but Bergeron usually prevents 3 to 5 goals per game; add that to his total. He is also a superb penalty killer and leader. Fan bases who have seen him play against their team will tell you how he turns every shift into a checking clinic against their star players.

 

[Three On Zero]

Bergeron further cementing himself as one of the most over rated players ever by getting a third of the votes here. A French version of toews with less winning.

Same can be said for Draisiatl 2/3s of the votes for a guy who can’t carry a line or produce away from McDavid. Down a goal in a big game 7, the guy is more likely to take a nut shot at someone than score a goal by himself

 

[Golden_Jet]

Drai will walk away with more points on the board, but Bergeron usually prevents 3 to 5 goals per game; add that to his total.

Wow now that’s hyperbole

 

[Mick Riddleton]

Wow now that’s hyperbole

Obviously, you never watched him; there is more to the game than scoring one-timers. I encourage people to learn the full 200-foot game. Talk to coaches; they will tell you.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Obviously, you never watched him; there is more to the game than scoring one-timers. I encourage people to learn the full 200-foot game. Talk to coaches; they will tell you.

Lmao dude, he prevented 3-5 goals a game. Sure.
No player in history has done that, except for goalies. It’s obvious you don’t watch him, thinking he prevents 320 goals a year.

 

[GreatGonzo]

Same can be said for Draisiatl 2/3s of the votes for a guy who can’t carry a line or produce away from McDavid. Down a goal in a big game 7, the guy is more likely to take a nut shot at someone than score a goal by himself

And yet we don’t know that Bergeron could carry a line given who he’s played with. It goes both ways.

Neither of those is true. He was most definitely the best player on his line before Marchand’s breakout. And he was the Bruins best center when they went to the final in 2019

he may have been their best center but he wasn’t their best player or play driver. He also had a very mediocre finals showing that year as well.

 

[Regal]

And yet we don’t know that Bergeron could carry a line given who he’s played with. It goes both ways.

he may have been their best center but he wasn’t their best player or play driver. He also had a very mediocre finals showing that year as well.

Ok but none of that is relevant to me arguing against the poster’s statement that “he was never the best center in any of the Bruins cup runs”.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

what about when it’s Game 7 and you are down and need more offense? Can Bergeron deliver?


Is Bergeron really much better overall in big games? He has had his moments but he also had plenty where he didn’t perform well.

I mean he didn't end up next to Crosby on the top line in the Olympics on accident

Why are people talking about Bergeron like he's Sami Pahlsson?

 

[BlueSeal]

Who do you want more in a game 7 third period defending a one goal lead, not many guys ahead of Bergeron and when the offense dies like it did for Drai what more does he offer

Absolutely not Skinner.

 

[GreatGonzo]

Ok but none of that is relevant to me arguing against the poster’s statement that “he was never the best center in any of the Bruins cup runs”.

I mean Krejci deserves a lot of credit for 2011 and 2013.

I mean he didn't end up next to Crosby on the top line in the Olympics on accident

Why are people talking about Bergeron like he's Sami Pahlsson?

Sure, but my point is towards the poster who continuously has said that Draisaitl can’t carry his own line. I doubt Bergeron was carrying the line with Crosby, or with Marchand and Pastrnak. It’s easy to say Draisaitl wouldn’t produce the same without McDavid….but he wants to put forth the argument that regardless of the circumstances, Bergeron would still produce the same. Can we actually say that?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I mean Krejci deserves a lot of credit for 2011 and 2013.

Sure, but my point is towards the poster who continuously has said that Draisaitl can’t carry his own line. I doubt Bergeron was carrying the line with Crosby, or with Marchand and Pastrnak. It’s easy to say Draisaitl wouldn’t produce the same without McDavid….but he wants to put forth the argument that regardless of the circumstances, Bergeron would still produce the same. Can we actually say that?

I wouldn't go that far but I'd argue that on most teams in the league Bergeron would be out there if you need a goal at the end of the game as well, not just on defense

I think he's getting painted as a black hole specialist which isn't true

and i do think that similarly Draisaitl could have a mean two-way game if asked to

 

[Three On Zero]

I wouldn't go that far but I'd argue that on most teams in the league Bergeron would be out there if you need a goal at the end of the game as well, not just on defense

I think he's getting painted as a black hole specialist which isn't true

and i do think that similarly Draisaitl could have a mean two-way game if asked to

Biggest difference is with Draisaitl you get a good one dimensional offensive player, with Bergeron you get a good multi-faceted player. You take Draisaitl just for the offensive potential, with Bergeron you take him for the different layers he provides.

A players offensive output can be influenced to a heavier degree than their defensive abilities can.

If Draisiatl gets into a pissy goal scoring drought he’s useless, if Bergeron goes into a scoring drought he’s still a defensive beast. With that being said, if you’re looking for strict offensive ability. You’d be silly to want Bergeron

 

[Crow]

Drai is a top player in the league with a high end hart track record. Bergeron was never that. His well rounded play is awesome but it doesn’t make up for what Drai brings.

 

[danny90]

Same can be said for Draisiatl 2/3s of the votes for a guy who can’t carry a line or produce away from McDavid. Down a goal in a big game 7, the guy is more likely to take a nut shot at someone than score a goal by himself

Drais -1 0 shot 22+ minutes in game 7 and yet he’s winning the poll by a wide margin shouldn’t people be upset at him?