Draisaitl or Bergeron

[Madap]

Another thread where Bergeron gets horribly overrated. It’s like there’s a new one every month.

 

[Caps8112]

love bergeron but this is silly. switch teams they played for and one would still be a very good player who almost never sees the playoffs in his career and the other would be even more special. Bergeron was almost never on a bad team and yes he is part of that. Drai has almost never been on a good team. It took the oilers scoring in the playoffs like we havent seen in nearly 40 years for them to get to the cup final. Drai would have 2 more scoring titles if not for Mcdavid. Picking Bergeron in this is doing so just to be different.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Lots of respect to Bergeron he had a great career but this is easily Drai

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Bergeron not close

 

[LivingRentFree]

Bergeron, not close

 

[HolyHagelin]

Another thread where Bergeron gets horribly overrated. It’s like there’s a new one every month.

Him and carey price

 

[PB37]

Drai has the gaudy numbers where he'll be remembered as one of the best who's ever done it if he continues this pace for another 5 years or so. Bergeron has the complete game and is considered one of the three best defensive centers in history and arguably the most dominant individual trophy run ever ( 12 straight years finalist for Selke, 14 straight years of top 5 ).

As a Bruins fan, I'm picking Bergeron. But I understand why others would pick Drai; his offensive output is incredible.

 

[EdmFlyersfan]

By the time playoffs roll around Drai is always injured and fades in the big games...Bergeron is the winner here.

 

[Moist ReadOnly]

It depends - so I cant vote

do I have Jack Hughes on NJ already? Id go Bergeron

do I have Nico Hischier on NJ already? Id go Draisaitl

 

[Oddbob]

Bergeron has proven to play at a high level and be “the guy”, Draisaitl has not. You may lose a bit of production with Bergeron but you get one of the modern days best two way a player.

Might want to check out Drai's playoff production which is almost as good as McDavid's playoff production.

 

[Just Linda]

I went Bergeron even though I feel Drai is the better player.

If we take the best from both players, Drai takes it easily imo. The difference maker is Bergeron's consistency and leadership.

I think if both were offered to my team at the same age, my team would have more success with Bergeron.

 

[Three On Zero]

Might want to check out Drai's playoff production which is almost as good as McDavid's playoff production.

Which is what happens from them playing together. Draisaitl is still a good offensive player but I’ll keep my reservations about him until I can see a sustained level of play without needing McDavid on his line.


I know what I will get with Bergeron, I don’t know what I will get from Draisaitl

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I had this argument for so many years re Kopitar. Maybe the gap is too big here, that's fine. But it's not as simple as it looks. People would often go well who would you rather have, 70-ish point Kopitar or the 100 point player and it's like well, head to head 70 point kopitar turns your 100 point player into a 50 point puddle so yeah, kopitar

similar case for bergeron here but as others have mentioned...the gap is debatable.

 

[Video Nasty]

I had this argument for so many years re Kopitar. Maybe the gap is too big here, that's fine. But it's not as simple as it looks. People would often go well who would you rather have, 70-ish point Kopitar or the 100 point player and it's like well, head to head 70 point kopitar turns your 100 point player into a 50 point puddle so yeah, kopitar

similar case for bergeron here but as others have mentioned...the gap is debatable.

Drai is a 110+ point player and nearly hit 130. Big difference between that and a mere 100 point player. Even if we’re generous with Bergeron and give him a 15% bump on his points (he crossed 70 just once during his final 16 years, so 80 points is more than generous).

Combine that with the fact that during a time period where Bergeron won the Selke twice and was runner up twice, Drai put up 9 points in his last 6 games against Bergeron and the Bruins (Bergeron had 4) and Drai would dismantle him.

Bergeron doesn’t generate enough offense to offset 40-50 points against a guy who would have little issue scoring with him on the ice to begin with.

 

[Three On Zero]

Drai is a 110+ point player and nearly hit 130. Big difference between that and a mere 100 point player. Even if we’re generous with Bergeron and give him a 15% bump on his points (he crossed 70 just once during his final 16 years, so 80 points is more than generous).

Combine that with the fact that during a time period where Bergeron won the Selke twice and was runner up twice, Drai put up 9 points in his last 6 games against Bergeron and the Bruins (Bergeron had 4) and Drai would dismantle him.

Bergeron doesn’t generate enough offense to offset 40-50 points against a guy who would have little issue scoring with him on the ice to begin with defensive two way play in his prime is more than enough to close that gap, especially within it knowing how Draisaitl would be without McDavid

Bergeron defensive two way play makes up for the gap in points, and you don’t know what kind of player you’re getting with Draisaitl away from McDavid. He could very well only be a 100pt player .

80 points + defensive play > 100-110 points + defensive liability

 

[GreatGonzo]

Bergeron defensive two way play makes up for the gap in points, and you don’t know what kind of player you’re getting with Draisaitl away from McDavid. He could very well only be a 100pt player .

80 points + defensive play > 100-110 points + defensive liability

Calling Bergeron a “two way” forward is rather generous. Also the gap in points is huge Drai has 5 seasons with over 100 points, 3 seasons with 50 or more goals, and his playoff numbers are incredible. Bergeron also played a lot with Marchand and Pastrnak which resulted in some of his best offensive seasons….maybe don’t leave that detail out

80 points? You realize Bergeron never hit 80 points, right?

 

[The Hockey Tonk Man]

Bruins fan with a man crush on Bergy picking Drai here

 

[Three On Zero]

Calling Bergeron a “two way” forward is rather generous. Also the gap in points is huge Drai has 5 seasons with over 100 points, 3 seasons with 50 or more goals, and his playoff numbers are incredible. Bergeron also played a lot with Marchand and Pastrnak which resulted in some of his best offensive seasons….maybe don’t leave that detail out

80 points? You realize Bergeron never hit 80 points, right?

Stopped reading after “Calling Bergeron a “two way” forward is rather generous.”

 

[GreatGonzo]

Stopped reading after “Calling Bergeron a “two way” forward is rather generous.”

Sounds about right. I love when posters attempt to make an argument but fold when they can’t back it or debate it. Bergeron has a career Average is like 66 points per 82 games I believe.

Again, let me know when Bergeron scored 80 points because Dari actually scored 100-110 points….multiple times.

 

[Three On Zero]

Sounds about right. I love when posters attempt to make an argument but fold when they can’t back it or debate it. Bergeron has a career Average is like 66 points per 82 games I believe.

Again, let me know when Bergeron scored 80 points because Dari actually scored 100-110 points….multiple times.

Sure, when someone claims he’s scored 80 points.

 

[GreatGonzo]

Sure, when someone claims he’s scored 80 points.

“80 points + defensive play > 100-110 points + defensive liability”

You were saying?…

 

[Three On Zero]

“80 points + defensive play > 100-110 points + defensive liability”

You were saying?…

Perhaps read farther back.

 

[Letsdothis]

Oilers fan voting for Bergeron. Starting from a scratch, a Selke forward that dominates match ups in the playoffs is probably better. It's a good poll though.. hard to compare and depends on the composition of the roster. Draisaitl's results in his minutes without McDavid are underwhelming to say the least, but he turns into Mario Lemieux when paired with McDavid. It's hard to say how good he would be playing with other dynamic players that aren't the most gamebreaking forward the NHL has seen in this century.

 

[PettersonHughes]

The key phrase is adding to my team. The Canucks were already 6th in goals/ game in the regular season (3.4/ game), while they were 23rd in goals against (2.7/ game). The penalty kill was middling though at 15th (79.1%) and we don't have any RH centers, much less one who was in the high-50s to 60+% in draws. JT Miller was 3 points behind Leon in this year's scoring race. I'd readily take Bergeron to anchor the 3rd C role so Miller and Petey can get easier matchups, and I'd trust 37 to face 97 in Edmonton and contain him.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

This is tough because I think if you're looking for the guy to be your #1 player on your team, I don't know if Bergeron can carry the offense and be that guy. Bergeron seems more like the "perfect" #2 player behind an already elite #1 offensive player, but if you're starting a team from scratch and picking either Bergeron or Draisaitl to be the *best* forward on the roster, I don't know if you'll get enough offense out of Bergeron to fit the bill.

And while not exactly a popular opinion, I think HF overrates the "you win Cups with two-way guys, you win scoring titles with offensive guys" mantra when it comes to Bergeron when you consider for all his hype, he's got a single Cup win under his belt and he wasn't even the main guy on that team. Meanwhile, "offense only" built teams down the middle like the Pens and Lightning have won more Cups.