Madap
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Another thread where Bergeron gets horribly overrated. It’s like there’s a new one every month.
Him and carey priceAnother thread where Bergeron gets horribly overrated. It’s like there’s a new one every month.
Bergeron has proven to play at a high level and be “the guy”, Draisaitl has not. You may lose a bit of production with Bergeron but you get one of the modern days best two way a player.
Which is what happens from them playing together. Draisaitl is still a good offensive player but I’ll keep my reservations about him until I can see a sustained level of play without needing McDavid on his line.Might want to check out Drai's playoff production which is almost as good as McDavid's playoff production.
I had this argument for so many years re Kopitar. Maybe the gap is too big here, that's fine. But it's not as simple as it looks. People would often go well who would you rather have, 70-ish point Kopitar or the 100 point player and it's like well, head to head 70 point kopitar turns your 100 point player into a 50 point puddle so yeah, kopitar
similar case for bergeron here but as others have mentioned...the gap is debatable.
Bergeron defensive two way play makes up for the gap in points, and you don’t know what kind of player you’re getting with Draisaitl away from McDavid. He could very well only be a 100pt player .Drai is a 110+ point player and nearly hit 130. Big difference between that and a mere 100 point player. Even if we’re generous with Bergeron and give him a 15% bump on his points (he crossed 70 just once during his final 16 years, so 80 points is more than generous).
Combine that with the fact that during a time period where Bergeron won the Selke twice and was runner up twice, Drai put up 9 points in his last 6 games against Bergeron and the Bruins (Bergeron had 4) and Drai would dismantle him.
Bergeron doesn’t generate enough offense to offset 40-50 points against a guy who would have little issue scoring with him on the ice to begin with defensive two way play in his prime is more than enough to close that gap, especially within it knowing how Draisaitl would be without McDavid
Calling Bergeron a “two way” forward is rather generous. Also the gap in points is hugeBergeron defensive two way play makes up for the gap in points, and you don’t know what kind of player you’re getting with Draisaitl away from McDavid. He could very well only be a 100pt player .
80 points + defensive play > 100-110 points + defensive liability
Stopped reading after “Calling Bergeron a “two way” forward is rather generous.”Calling Bergeron a “two way” forward is rather generous. Also the gap in points is hugeDrai has 5 seasons with over 100 points, 3 seasons with 50 or more goals, and his playoff numbers are incredible. Bergeron also played a lot with Marchand and Pastrnak which resulted in some of his best offensive seasons….maybe don’t leave that detail out
80 points? You realize Bergeron never hit 80 points, right?
Stopped reading after “Calling Bergeron a “two way” forward is rather generous.”
Sure, when someone claims he’s scored 80 points.Sounds about right. I love when posters attempt to make an argument but fold when they can’t back it or debate it. Bergeron has a career Average is like 66 points per 82 games I believe.
Again, let me know when Bergeron scored 80 points because Dari actually scored 100-110 points….multiple times.
“80 points + defensive play > 100-110 points + defensive liability”Sure, when someone claims he’s scored 80 points.
Perhaps read farther back.“80 points + defensive play > 100-110 points + defensive liability”
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