Post-Game Talk: Drai speedruns Duck Hunt

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Not at all. People are commenting that on 3 breakaways he stopped none. The goal and two posts, both with room, that beat him clean.

Ducks had 6HDSC. 2GA 2posts. What a batting average. Skinner didn't even make a handful of quality stops last night, was outclassed entirely by Dostal who had to save his club several X, and who was facing the most dangerous players in hockey. Skinner was facing a popgun offense that rarely scores.

The Oilers had what… 30 scoring chances? Given that they didn’t have that many shots, obviously not every one of those made it to the net. Same goes for HDSC. Were the numerous botched odd man rushes counted as scoring chances?

This is a game where the fancies and eye test don’t match. The Oilers played pee wee hockey on offense. They were outworked consistently. A better team than the Ducks beats the Oilers playing that game easily. Giving up multiple breakaways is unacceptable.

 

[guymez]

Doesn’t matter.

“Allowed another shot over his shoulder with a minute left, goes down too quick again blah blah blah”

The quality of goal that goes in on Skinner doesn’t seem to matter anymore. The derangement syndrome is such that the fact he let in a breakaway goal is dominating discussion in a 3-2 win where he had a .930+ SV%. It’s insane.

Exactly.

 

[Drivesaitl]

The Oilers had what… 30 scoring chances? Given that they didn’t have that many shots, obviously not every one of those made it to the net. Same goes for HDSC. Were the numerous botched odd man rushes counted as scoring chances?

This is a game where the fancies and eye test don’t match. The Oilers played pee wee hockey on offense. They were outworked consistently. A better team than the Ducks beats the Oilers playing that game easily. Giving up multiple breakaways is unacceptable.

We watched a different game. The Ozone times would say more about how the game was played and the Oilers were dominating. The Oilers had several shifts, extended, in Ducks zone that looked like a PP. There were multiple X where Ducks committed 3-4 giveaways in one ownzone sequence. Against players like McDavid.

The Ducks got 3 breakaways in the game, and only 1 was clean because the only thing they were trying to work was breakaway counters. We had breakaways and clean drives to net as well. Nobody seems to mention that.

Dostal was locking the door like so often is the case with actual goalies. We see this kind of goalie performance so rarely in our own net we learn to expect not much.

 

[K1984]

That breakaway goal and drai goal aren’t in the same realm.

Again, doesn’t matter.

Goals that other goalies allow routinely that nobody blames them for are the end of the world when it’s Skinner exclusively.

If this game was flipped, this thread would be SCREAMING about any of the 3 goals that Dostal let in. First because he’s too deep in his net and couldn’t get over, second because it was an unscreened shot from distance, third because we need those big saves at key moments (that’s what Cup teams need right!?). And not to mention the .852 that would alone get him strung up.

Instead the same fools that incessantly rip Skinner if he allows anything at all are universally praising Dostal. It’s clinically insane.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

We watched a different game. The Ozone times would say more about how the game was played and the Oilers were dominating. The Oilers had several shifts, extended, in Ducks zone that looked like a PP. There were multiple X where Ducks committed 3-4 giveaways in one ownzone sequence. Against players like McDavid.

The Ducks got 3 breakaways in the game, and only 1 was clean because the only thing they were trying to work was breakaway counters. We had breakaways and clean drives to net as well. Nobody seems to mention that.

Dostal was locking the door like so often is the case with actual goalies. We see this kind of goalie performance so rarely in our own net we learn to expect not much.

Oilers had 0 breakaways yesterday

but let's get mad at shots that weren't going in anyways

 

[MessierII]

We watched a different game. The Ozone times would say more about how the game was played and the Oilers were dominating. The Oilers had several shifts, extended, in Ducks zone that looked like a PP. There were multiple X where Ducks committed 3-4 giveaways in one ownzone sequence. Against players like McDavid.

The Ducks got 3 breakaways in the game, and only 1 was clean because the only thing they were trying to work was breakaway counters. We had breakaways and clean drives to net as well. Nobody seems to mention that.

Dostal was locking the door like so often is the case with actual goalies. We see this kind of goalie performance so rarely in our own net we learn to expect not much.

The only period we dominated was the 2nd. The first period we had 7 total shots. The third we had 4 at the halfway point before deciding to play some hockey. Both efforts vs the ducks this year are totally unacceptable. We let them back in the game both times when we were in control of the game.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

We watched a different game. The Ozone times would say more about how the game was played and the Oilers were dominating. The Oilers had several shifts, extended, in Ducks zone that looked like a PP. There were multiple X where Ducks committed 3-4 giveaways in one ownzone sequence. Against players like McDavid.

The Ducks got 3 breakaways in the game, and only 1 was clean because the only thing they were trying to work was breakaway counters. We had breakaways and clean drives to net as well. Nobody seems to mention that.

Dostal was locking the door like so often is the case with actual goalies. We see this kind of goalie performance so rarely in our own net we learn to expect not much.

Locking the door? We consistently passed up scoring chances with numerous stupid backpasses and floaters that wouldn’t go in on an empty net.

Speaking of empty nets can we stop f***ing around with them? That’s going to burn us eventually.

McDavid had a shit game offensively. He was really frustrating to watch. Zero shots on net and some really terrible passes. A hard working Oilers team destroys that Ducks team, instead we got worked. That’s a problem. And it’s not like they didn’t just witness it a week ago.

I really don’t care about offensive zone time when nobody was going to the dirty areas.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Again, doesn’t matter.

Goals that other goalies allow routinely that nobody blames them for are the end of the world when it’s Skinner exclusively.

If this game was flipped, this thread would be SCREAMING about any of the 3 goals that Dostal let in. First because he’s too deep in his net and couldn’t get over, second because it was an unscreened shot from distance, third because we need those big saves at key moments (that’s what Cup teams need right!?). And not to mention the .852 that would alone get him strung up.

Instead the same fools that incessantly rip Skinner if he allows anything at all are universally praising Dostal. It’s clinically insane.

please enlighten me of a goal like Drais last night that he got blamed for?

 

[Drivesaitl]

The only period we dominated was the 2nd. The first period we had 7 total shots. The third we had 4 at the halfway point before deciding to play some hockey. Both efforts vs the ducks this year are totally unacceptable. We let them back in the game both times when we were in control of the game.

Agreed that the Oilers have had subpar efforts against the Ducks. tbh I can't really blame them. This happens to all clubs. Through the whole NHL two weeks around holiday season it was amazing how many games were upsets. NHL has a compeitive problem, and far from just the Oilers. Around 50NHL games in last couple weeks have had very suspicious results. Basically that one or more teams didn't really even show up. Always premium ticket prices though...

My own take, and you know this is that theres far too many games in a schedule, and it becomes more of a factor when teams played until almost July last season. Hard to play premium game everytime out.

 

[PaPaDee]

He f***ing does not, 9 pts in his last 4 games and does everything at NHL speed and intensity, he needs a look.

I’d prefer to leave him in the A longer.

 

[K1984]

please enlighten me of a goal like Drais last night that he got blamed for?

He’s getting blamed for breakaway shots hitting posts in this thread. He’s getting blamed for things that don’t even matter. You think that the folks here would have just said “great shot” had he let that in? If that’s the case I have a bridge to sell you.

We’ll have simply agree to disagree that the hoards here would have just let that go if Skinner let that goal in.

“Had time to get out of his net to cut the angle and went down too quick, another shot over his shoulder, need to make those big saves at key times, need those saves in the final minute to win the cup, blah blah blah.”

 

[Drivesaitl]

If the goalies were switched we win that game 9-2

I figured we win 6-1 if goalies were switched.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

He’s getting blamed for breakaway shots hitting posts in this thread. He’s getting blamed for things that don’t even matter. You think that the folks here would have just said “great shot” had he let that in? If that’s the case I have a bridge to sell you.

We’ll have simply agree to disagree that the hoards here would have just let that go if Skinner let that goal in.

“Had time to get out of his net to cut the angle and went down too quick, another shot over his shoulder, need to make those big saves at key times, need those saves in the final minute to win the cup, blah blah blah.”

I would like to think most fans would say great shot. It flabbergasted me when I watched it. Truly a top player in the league goal.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I figured we win 6-1 if goalies were switched.

If the goalies were switched Schwartz would’ve put Dostal in Europe.

 

[K1984]

I would like to think most fans would say great shot. It flabbergasted me when I watched it. Truly a top player in the league goal.

You haven’t been following along. Skinner is the feature obsession of this board whether we win or not or whether it matters or not at this point.

Most fans would say great shot - until Skinner lets one like that in.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

You haven’t been following along. Skinner is the feature obsession of this board whether we win or not or whether it matters or not at this point.

Most fans would say great shot - until Skinner lets one like that in.

Literally every single goal against is his fault and his fault only in the eyes of some. It’s utterly pathetic.

 

[K1984]

Literally every single goal against is his fault and his fault only in the eyes of some. It’s utterly pathetic.

I shouldn’t have been surprised at seeing “save % actually isn’t a great stat” the moment Skinner posts consistently strong save % numbers.

It was a major obsession before, with any time his SV% ends below .900 people lose it, but now it’s just not a great stat anymore.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Locking the door? We consistently passed up scoring chances with numerous stupid backpasses and floaters that wouldn’t go in on an empty net.

Speaking of empty nets can we stop f***ing around with them? That’s going to burn us eventually.

McDavid had a shit game offensively. He was really frustrating to watch. Zero shots on net and some really terrible passes. A hard working Oilers team destroys that Ducks team, instead we got worked. That’s a problem. And it’s not like they didn’t just witness it a week ago.

I really don’t care about offensive zone time when nobody was going to the dirty areas.

Actually we ran Dostal multiple times. We were certainly going to the areas. Weren't cashing and that has also to do with players just don't cash much of anything here. Looking at you J Skinner, Arvid, Pods. Even Connor Brown was blowing chances in this one.

Oilers have though been guilty of trying to pass the puck into net. A little too fancy. Its a continuing problem on this club that so few forwards are actually scoring.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I shouldn’t have been surprised at seeing “save % actually isn’t a great stat” the moment Skinner posts consistently strong save % numbers.

It was a major obsession before, with any time his SV% ends below .900 people lose it, but now it’s just not a great stat anymore.

im sure the next goalie will most definitely be the one. Khabibulin, JDD, Dubnyk, Scrivens, Bryzgalov, Fasth, LaBarbera, Talbot, His backup whose name I forgot, Smith, Koskinen….

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I’d prefer to leave him in the A longer.

Not really much point, give him a look and see how he fares. The reality is unless he blows the doors off, he goes back down. You guys and believing the "overripe" nonsense. Do you guys believe you can't squeeze anyone as well? Lol

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

You haven’t been following along. Skinner is the feature obsession of this board whether we win or not or whether it matters or not at this point.

Most fans would say great shot - until Skinner lets one like that in.

Lol ok

 

[TheNumber4]

Skinner has one of the easiest jobs in the league playing on one of the best defensive teams in the league. Near the top in shot and high danger chance suppression. His stats do not reflect the way the oilers play defensively.

That being said, is it his fault? Absolutely not. He's in over his head. He's not a starter in the NHL and that is the organizations fault. They've not prioritized goaltending and if he's their way of fixing it, they're failing him and fans.

Skinner is an above average backup, nothing more. I think the complaining stems from annoyance that the Oilers don't seem to care about who is in net and people blindly defending the kid. He's not as bad as some people think, but he is not even close to as good as some think.

The oilers are a great shot and chance suppression team, but I do think there’s some truth to theory that when they break down, they break down huge.

I also think that there’s truth to the often cited theory that it’s hard for goalies to get in the groove when they don’t see much pucks.

I think this leads to environment that’s not friendly to goalie stats.

Think about it, if Skinner ever has a night where he’s feeling it and on the top of his game, he doesn’t get to pad stats in that situation cause the oilers rarely get shot dominated. He’s left without that oppurtunity that other goalies are in that situation.

I know the theory might sound wack, or like I’m giving Skinner excuses, but I’m not the only one that’s had this thought or similar thoughts, the Athletics Goalie Expert Jesse Granger had a similar theory:

“The save percentage hasn’t been good, the stats aren’t great. But you play for a team that is not good for goalie stats. The oilers play a style where they possess the puck a lot, and you don’t get a huge volume of shots, but then when they do give up a chance because they are so aggressive offensively it’s a really dangerous chance. So I’ll give him a bit of a break on his save percentage. I don’t think the oilers play like a team where any goalie can step in and play .920, I think it’s the opposite for him. If you get the best out of skinner you have a chance at the cup.“

Your statement “he’s not a starter in the NHL” is more hyperbolic, mistruths from the Stu doubter community that can’t be verified with any actual stats. The oilers are a great defending team, but no way are we so great that we are making the playoffs 3 years in a row, while being cup favorites, and getting to the SCF finals with a non-starter goalie in net. That’s a just a ridiculous notion.

 

[TheNumber4]

That drai goal? I doubt it that was ridiculous.

I’d give Dostal a break on that goal for sure. Drais release was elite, hard to read mini snapper, and he was so in close and open in the slot the goalie reaction required would be super human to stop that well placed shot.

That said, I bet if that same goal goes in on Skinner this place would go insane saying he “needed to make that save”.

 

[Missing smitty]

The oilers are a great shot and chance suppression team, but I do think there’s some truth to theory that when they break down, they break down huge.

I also think that there’s truth to the often cited theory that it’s hard for goalies to get in the groove when they don’t see much pucks.

I think this leads to environment that’s not friendly to goalie stats.

Think about it, if Skinner ever has a night where he’s feeling it and on the top of his game, he doesn’t get to pad stats in that situation cause the oilers rarely get shot dominated. He’s left without that oppurtunity that other goalies are in that situation.

I know the theory might sound wack, or like I’m giving Skinner excuses, but I’m not the only one that’s had this thought or similar thoughts, the Athletics Goalie Expert Jesse Granger had a similar theory:

“The save percentage hasn’t been good, the stats aren’t great. But you play for a team that is not good for goalie stats. The oilers play a style where they possess the puck a lot, and you don’t get a huge volume of shots, but then when they do give up a chance because they are so aggressive offensively it’s a really dangerous chance. So I’ll give him a bit of a break on his save percentage. I don’t think the oilers play like a team where any goalie can step in and play .920, I think it’s the opposite for him. If you get the best out of skinner you have a chance at the cup.“

Your statement “he’s not a starter in the NHL” is more hyperbolic, mistruths from the Stu doubter community that can’t be verified with any actual stats. The oilers are a great defending team, but no way are we so great that we are making the playoffs 3 years in a row, while being cup favorites, and getting to the SCF finals with a non-starter goalie in net. That’s a just a ridiculous notion.

Lol. Your argument holds no water because you just neglect the stats and come up with reasons to discredit them.

He has some of the worst numbers of any starter in the league in one of the best defensive teams in the league. Full stop.

The kid ain't it. Goaltending is the most important position in hockey and the Oilers are trying to rummage under the bargain bin.

Skinner is a competent backup, nothing more. You can vomit out more text diarrhea, but the numbers show where he is.

People who think he's garbage are delusional, just like you guys who think he's good. He's not a starter and his numbers are going down the longer he plays.

I’d give Dostal a break on that goal for sure. Drais release was elite, hard to read mini snapper, and he was so in close and open in the slot the goalie reaction required would be super human to stop that well placed shot.

That said, I bet if that same goal goes in on Skinner this place would go insane saying he “needed to make that save”.

You guys act like every goal is in a vacuum. The kid isn't consistent. Has one of the worst high danger save percentages in the league.

 

[jesusbuiltmyhotrod]

Holy cow most of you are more concerned with winning a dumb argument than the team. We need an “ Argue about Stu “ thread. Obsessed