Post-Game Talk: Drai speedruns Duck Hunt

OilerTyler

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No one wants Skinner to fail. He didn't have a good game despite having a good save percentage. I'm not a Skinner fan but he's been way too inconsistent. I want nothing more than for him to succeed but to this point the he hasn't been good enough over the course of the year.

The way that posters on here fabricate stats to paint him in a negative light and post about how bad he is playing when he straight up isn't tells me otherwise.

And by what metric did he not have a good game tonight? His save percentage was good, he saved over a goal above expected and went 2/3 on Anaheim's breakaways. Even the second goal he let in wasn't an easy stop because there was a ton of traffic in front. If he let in two or three of those I'd be disappointed but it was his only non-breakaway goal against of the night.

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MessierII

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I wish he was one of these average guys that you’re talking about. Not a Shesterkin. We can have a goalie achieving a much higher save percentage given our top of the league defensive numbers. How does a team like the ducks have a goalie posting a higher save percentage than Skinner? Plus he makes less money.
We invest some of the least money on goaltending in the nhl. Skinner has been average most of the year. That’s a win.
 
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I’m here to make fun of little bitches who whine about shit they have nothing to do with and also to discuss hockey with people who have valid opinions worth actual discussion.
A bunch of you clowns shit on Mcdavid and Draisaitl and act like Skinner is the reason this team went to game 7 of the Finals.

I just assume most of you are trolls.
 
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TheNumber4

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A bunch of you clowns shit on Mcdavid and Draisaitl and act like Skinner is the reason this team went to game 7 of the Finals.

I just assume most of you are trolls.
I know who you are referring to and they are most definitely not trolls. They’ve been here for years and years and are diehard Oil fans. You should reach out and have a debate with them, I bet you itll be in good faith and you may have misunderstood what their actual point about McDrai were.

On the other hand, there are suspicious new accounts in here and alt accounts who only show up to shit on Stu. And when they don’t have that opportunity they disappear like ghosts.
 

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The way that posters on here fabricate stats to paint him in a negative light and post about how bad he is playing when he straight up isn't tells me otherwise.

And by what metric did he not have a good game tonight? His save percentage was good, he saved over a goal above expected and went 2/3 on Anaheim's breakaways. Even the second goal he let in wasn't an easy stop because there was a ton of traffic in front. If he let in two or three of those I'd be disappointed but it was his only non-breakaway goal against of the night.

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This is going to sounds bad but im curious if you actually watched the game or just the highlights. I see a lot of fans who look at box scores and draw conclusions from them. If you did that's fine but I saw a goaltender who:

1. Couldn't track the puck
2. Slow to react
3. Unable to move laterally
4. Looked shakey in net
5. Had shots go past him but didn't wind up in the net.

Against a better team, I don't think Skinner is as lucky.

After playing 38 minutes of hockey, Edmonton only gave up 2 high danger scoring chances 5v5. Edmonton had 8 high danger chances during that same stretch with only 1 goal to show for it. Scoring chances were also 20-10 for the Oilers.

Skinner then let's in a goal on only the 3rd high danger shot. The shot itself shouldn't have went in. I dont get why his legs were wide open when he should be down in the butterfly. You need him to make a big save at that moment.

So despite dominating Edmonton goes into the 3rd period only up 2-1. Dostal is having a great game. Edmonton doesn't do themselves any favour's trying to pass the puck in the net and when they do have a wide open net, they goalie makes a save, they get a block or we hit the post. Our offence looks way more dangerous than anaheims but can't buy a goal to this point.

Anaheim has life heading into the 3rd period now. You just know Anaheim is going to get a break and they end up going on the powerplay. The shot is a muffin from the point. Skinner can see him even with traffic in front. From that far out you can't be getting beat. That was the only chance on the ducks PP and it goes in.

At some point we have to stop outscoring our problems and have a goaltender that can win a 2-1 game every once in a while. The Oilers rank 5th in the league in high danger chances against but still have goalies who can't make a save. Skinner ranks around 40th in goals saved above expected.

The most frustrating part was that Skinner was that Skinner was getting beat. Skinner was lucky but Anaheim could have won this game 4-2 with the way he's was playing.
 

guymez

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Trust me, my feelings on Stu would pull a 180 if he got paid Swayman numbers. But I really don’t see that happening. Sway was challenging Vezina Ullmark for his job. Whatever that chatter was, was not based in reality.

And yes it’s not his fault he’s performing avaerage as an average paid goalie. That’s why the Stu hate should be dialed down. If anything, it was the Campbell disaster that could have tanked this McD experiment for good. We should be happy that our 4th rd pick emerged, credit should be given, not vitriol.
100% correct but not many on here are able to accept that reality.
Managment then makes other questionable decisions to compound the Campbell debacle.

Much easier just to keep shitting on Skinner though...much easier.
Makes these PGT's almost unreadable. The signal to noise ratio has really dropped.
Same vitriol over and over.
 

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The way that posters on here fabricate stats to paint him in a negative light and post about how bad he is playing when he straight up isn't tells me otherwise.

And by what metric did he not have a good game tonight? His save percentage was good, he saved over a goal above expected and went 2/3 on Anaheim's breakaways. Even the second goal he let in wasn't an easy stop because there was a ton of traffic in front. If he let in two or three of those I'd be disappointed but it was his only non-breakaway goal against of the night.

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It’s the fabrication of stats that gets me too.

Like if Stu is as bad as some say, you’d think there’d be no reason to just make things up out of fat air. (Get it “fat” cause Stu’s fat or something)

Statements like he NEVER keeps the goals below 3.

Or statements like he NEVER wins 1 goal games.

Like we all have Google, we all have these things called memories, we know you’re just making shit up, so why are you making shit up.

That’s of course different than valid criticisms. Which exist too. I usually leave those comments alone.
 
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It’s the fabrication of stats that gets me too.

Like if Stu is as bad as some say, you’d think there’d be no reason to just make things up out of fat air. (Get it “fat” cause Stu’s fat or something)

Statements like he NEVER keeps the goals below 3.

Or statements like he NEVER wins 1 goal games.

Like we all have Google, we all have these things called memories, we know you’re just making shit up, so why are you making shit up.

That’s of course different than valid criticisms. Which exist too. I usually leave those comments alone.
You guys take arbitrary dates and pretend the time before it doesn't count.

Skinner is an acceptable back up, nothing more. He's not an nhl starter, especially on a team with cup aspirations.
 
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A bunch of you clowns shit on Mcdavid and Draisaitl and act like Skinner is the reason this team went to game 7 of the Finals.

I just assume most of you are trolls.
Skinner isn’t the reason this team went to the finals and he isn’t the reason they lost them.

He is what he is, an inconsistent average goaltender who’s learning on the job and people will bitch about him and even if management went out and got one of the other average goaltenders around the league the casuals around here would over analyze every move he made and then say management got the wrong goalie.

The fact is there’s maybe 5 absolutely elite goalies in this league and the rest of them are crap shoots that you’re just hoping can play well enough at the right time and that’s the category Skinner falls into so it’s either trade for a top 5 goalie or do the best you can and hope your man learns and gets better year over year in the playoffs.

The donkey clown bitches cry about skinner but they’d cry about just about any other goalie brought in, they’d just cry about management trading for the wrong goalie at that point instead.
 

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You guys take arbitrary dates and pretend the time before it doesn't count.

Skinner is an acceptable back up, nothing more. He's not an nhl starter, especially on a team with cup aspirations.
Or it’s just adding context to why that PORTION of his season was bad.

If we want to take the most objective look, we should take the largest sample size shouldnt we?

That sample size would be 2 years and a bit now. And in those 2 years he’s shown to be above average in save percentage and GSAx. And he’s trending to be that again this year as the year plays out.

So the objective take is that he’s an average to above average goaltender. And with average you will portions of his season that are bad, and portions of his season that are good. Ups and downs like lots of goalies in this League.

The non-objective take would be saying stuff like he’s the worst goaltender to ever lace them up. And he’s the worst at everything. And don’t tell me statements like haven’t been made about him.

Another non-objective take, and I’ve asked this now of a couple Stu detractors, is the statement: “we have NO chance to Win a Cup with Stu in net.” If that’s the case, then why do all Vegas oddsmakers and all analytical models have us as the odds on favorite to win the Cup? Can you answer that question for me?
 

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Trust me, my feelings on Stu would pull a 180 if he got paid Swayman numbers. But I really don’t see that happening. Sway was challenging Vezina Ullmark for his job. Whatever that chatter was, was not based in reality.

And yes it’s not his fault he’s performing avaerage as an average paid goalie. That’s why the Stu hate should be dialed down. If anything, it was the Campbell disaster that could have tanked this McD experiment for good. We should be happy that our 4th rd pick emerged, credit should be given, not vitriol.

You're a sad sack franchise if like 1 goalie tanks your entire window.

Georgeiv sucked for Colorado, they got rid of him. Cal Petersen sucked in LA, he's been ancient history there for a while. Vegas had Lehner meltdown and took a chance on Hill and won a Cup.

The Oilers are the one that a making this into brain surgery when it doesn't have to be.

That's just this management's MO ... they are constantly lazy and/or in a state of paralysis by analysis and when they do a little work they act like they've moved a mountain when in reality what they're doing is closer to the bare minimum.

We haven't made one real impactful move to improve the team since Ekholm but that's coming up on like 2 seasons ago now.

We haven't acquired a single good goalie that wasn't like 39 years old in almost a decade.
 
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TheNumber4

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100% correct but not many on here are able to accept that reality.
Managment then makes other questionable decisions to compound the Campbell debacle.

Much easier just to keep shitting on Skinner though...much easier.
Makes these PGT's almost unreadable. The signal to noise ratio has really dropped.
Same vitriol over and over.
Yeh PGTs are getting tougher and tougher to get through now. Have to wade through a lot of Stu criticisms. Then you get baited into Stu debate that has no merit and you realize I’m trying to watch the god damn game here lol. So you gotta check yourself out of that when the game is live. Personally I can get through it without issue and GDTs are still fun for me. But I’ve seen some regulars disappear only to reappear to say how much they hate the vitriol around here at times, and it seems we are losing those posters because of it.
 

TheNumber4

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You're a sad sack franchise if like 1 goalie tanks your entire window.

Georgeiv sucked for Colorado, they got rid of him. Cal Petersen sucked in LA, he's been ancient history there for a while. Vegas had Lehner meltdown and took a chance on Hill and won a Cup.

The Oilers are the one that a making this into brain surgery when it doesn't have to be.
Comes down to their trust in Picks I guess. And I get it, why not try for someone with a higher ceiling and someone who could challenge Stu.

I’ll give you a good point for your sound waves. Stu had his absolute best season trying to steal the job from Campbell. Maybe healthy competition would be good for him.

In that case, I agree that if there’s a guy out there that could replace picks and be a 1B. Sure get him, if he’s available and the acquisition cost makes sense.
 

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Yeh PGTs are getting tougher and tougher to get through now. Have to wade through a lot of Stu criticisms. Then you get baited into Stu debate that has no merit and you realize I’m trying to watch the god damn game here lol. So you gotta check yourself out of that when the game is live. Personally I can get through it without issue and GDTs are still fun for me. But I’ve seen some regulars disappear only to reappear to say how much they hate the vitriol around here at times, and it seems we are losing those posters because of it.
I pretty much stick to the smaller threads now, the repetitive negativity on the PGT's, even when we win, is just boring, and pretty much unreadable.
 

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